[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dresden missing pages?
- Forwarded Message - From: sterling price <spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu> To: G. C. <kalei...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dresden missing pages? Ah dang it--I'm talking about the last d minor sonata in Dresden. The one with the killer Allegro. I wrote an insane cadenza for that piece. On Barto's volume 8 he lists this as Sonata 36--- __ From: G. C. <kalei...@gmail.com> To: sterling price <spiffys84...@yahoo.com> Cc: Ed Durbrow <edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp>; baroque lute list <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dresden missing pages? 36 is the easy one, (but great one) which ev'ryone plays! :) G On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 4:31 PM, sterling price <[1]spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: Ok--these are my top -4- Weiss sonatas to play. (in no particular order) Sonata 45 in A major Sonata 40 in C major Sonata 36 in d minor Sonata 48 in f# minor Sterling __ __ __ From: Ed Durbrow <[2]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp> To: sterling price <[3]spiffys84...@yahoo.com>; baroque lute list <[4]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dresden missing pages? On Oct 28, 2016, at 1:39 PM, sterling price <[1][5]spiffys84121@cs.dartmouth. edu> wrote: Sonata 40 is in my top 3 Weiss sonatas. I think it shows Weiss--and the Baroque Lute--at their very best. It just doesn't get any better than this--- I'm dying to know what your other top 3 are. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [2][6]http://www.youtube.com/ user/edurbrow?feature=watch [3][7]https://soundcloud.com/ed- durbrow [4][8]http://www9.plala.or.jp/ edurbrow/ -- References 1. mailto:[9]spiffys84121@cs. dartmouth.edu 2. [10]http://www.youtube.com/user/ edurbrow?feature=watch 3. [11]https://soundcloud.com/ed- durbrow 4. [12]http://www9.plala.or.jp/ edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at [13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~ wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp 3. mailto:spiffys84...@yahoo.com 4. mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 7. https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow 8. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 9. mailto:spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu 10. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 11. https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow 12. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dresden missing pages?
36 is the easy one, (but great one) which ev'ryone plays! :) G On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 4:31 PM, sterling price <[1]spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: Ok--these are my top -4- Weiss sonatas to play. (in no particular order) Sonata 45 in A major Sonata 40 in C major Sonata 36 in d minor Sonata 48 in f# minor Sterling __ From: Ed Durbrow <[2]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp> To: sterling price <[3]spiffys84...@yahoo.com>; baroque lute list <[4]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dresden missing pages? On Oct 28, 2016, at 1:39 PM, sterling price <[1][5]spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: Sonata 40 is in my top 3 Weiss sonatas. I think it shows Weiss--and the Baroque Lute--at their very best. It just doesn't get any better than this--- I'm dying to know what your other top 3 are. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [2][6]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch [3][7]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow [4][8]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. mailto:[9]spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. [10]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 3. [11]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow 4. [12]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at [13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp 3. mailto:spiffys84...@yahoo.com 4. mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 7. https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow 8. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 9. mailto:spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu 10. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 11. https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow 12. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dresden missing pages?
Ok--these are my top -4- Weiss sonatas to play. (in no particular order) Sonata 45 in A major Sonata 40 in C major Sonata 36 in d minor Sonata 48 in f# minor Sterling __ From: Ed Durbrow <edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp> To: sterling price <spiffys84...@yahoo.com>; baroque lute list <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dresden missing pages? On Oct 28, 2016, at 1:39 PM, sterling price <[1]spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: Sonata 40 is in my top 3 Weiss sonatas. I think it shows Weiss--and the Baroque Lute--at their very best. It just doesn't get any better than this--- I'm dying to know what your other top 3 are. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [2]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch [3]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow [4]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. mailto:spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 3. https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow 4. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dresden missing pages?
On Oct 28, 2016, at 1:39 PM, sterling pricewrote: > Sonata 40 is in my top 3 Weiss sonatas. I > think it shows Weiss--and the Baroque Lute--at their very best. It just > doesn't get any better than this--- Im dying to know what your other top 3 are. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dresden missing pages?
I have been fascinated by this courante for 20 years. There was a reconstruction done by Hans Neeman of the last line which I find very unconvincing. There are two great recordings of sonata 40, the first by Stephen Stubbs which is phenomenal. His reconstruction of the courante must be magic I think. I transcribed his ending from the cd, and when written out on the manuscript, the two notes that happen to be visible of the missing part match up perfectly with Stubbs version. And there is the recording by Robert Barto. I don't like his version of the missing part, but that may just be because I was so used to the Stubbs version for so long before. I gave Barto my transcription of the Stubbs recording but he did his own. Sonata 40 is in my top 3 Weiss sonatas. I think it shows Weiss--and the Baroque Lute--at their very best. It just doesn't get any better than this--- Sterling __ From: Ed Durbrow <edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp> To: Jean-Daniel Forget <jean-daniel.for...@orange.fr>; baroque lute list <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:32 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dresden missing pages? Well, that explains that! Who reconstructed this version of the ending? It is quite convincing. On Oct 28, 2016, at 12:54 AM, Jean-Daniel Forget <[1]jean-daniel.for...@orange.fr> wrote: > Dear Ed, > The courante end is lost. This is a possible reconstruction, but this is not by Weiss! > Jean-Daniel > > > > Ed Durbrow a écrit : >> That is the one I was talking about. Sonata N ° 40 in C Major I already >> was guided there by Toshiaki Kakinami. >> So I see the second page but there is no ending. I just noticed there >> seems to be an extra measure or two tacked on in the margin, but it is >> impossible to make out. I wonder if it ends there. Is there a >> concordance anywhere? >> >> On Oct 26, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Jean-Daniel Forget >> <[2]jean-daniel.for...@orange.fr <mailto:[3]jean-daniel.for...@orange.fr>> wrote: >> >>> Hi Ed >>> >>> See my facsimiles of thi manuscript at: >>> [4]http://jdf.luth.pagesperso-orange.fr/Musiques/Les_manuscrits/Dresde/ Le_manuscrit_de_Dresde.htm >>> >>> Jean-Daniel >>> >>> Ed Durbrow a écrit : >>>> In my digital copy of the Dresden manuscript (I forget where I >>>> downloaded it), it seems some pages are missing, for example, on p.80 >>>> of 253, there begins a courant in C but the second half is missing. >>>> The next page is titled Paisane (I think, the n is weird). There seem >>>> to be other places where I noticed a missing page. >>>> My question is: are these page missing in the original manuscript? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ed Durbrow >>>> Saitama, Japan >>>> [5]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch >>>> [6]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow >>>> [7]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>>> [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>>> >>> >>> >> >> Ed Durbrow >> Saitama, Japan >> [9]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch >> [10]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow >> [11]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [12]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch [13]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow [14]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- -- References 1. mailto:jean-daniel.for...@orange.fr 2. mailto:jean-daniel.for...@orange.fr 3. mailto:jean-daniel.for...@orange.fr 4. http://jdf.luth.pagesperso-orange.fr/Musiques/Les_manuscrits/Dresde/Le_manuscrit_de_Dresde.htm 5. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 6. https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow 7. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 9. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 10. https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow 11. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 12. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 13. https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow 14. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dresden missing pages?
Well, that explains that! Who reconstructed this version of the ending? It is quite convincing. On Oct 28, 2016, at 12:54 AM, Jean-Daniel Forgetwrote: > Dear Ed, > The courante end is lost. This is a possible reconstruction, but this is not > by Weiss! > Jean-Daniel > > > > Ed Durbrow a écrit : >> That is the one I was talking about. Sonata N° 40 in C Major I already >> was guided there by Toshiaki Kakinami. >> So I see the second page but there is no ending. I just noticed there >> seems to be an extra measure or two tacked on in the margin, but it is >> impossible to make out. I wonder if it ends there. Is there a >> concordance anywhere? >> >> On Oct 26, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Jean-Daniel Forget >> > wrote: >> >>> Hi Ed >>> >>> See my facsimiles of thi manuscript at: >>> http://jdf.luth.pagesperso-orange.fr/Musiques/Les_manuscrits/Dresde/Le_manuscrit_de_Dresde.htm >>> >>> Jean-Daniel >>> >>> Ed Durbrow a écrit : In my digital copy of the Dresden manuscript (I forget where I downloaded it), it seems some pages are missing, for example, on p.80 of 253, there begins a courant in C but the second half is missing. The next page is titled Paisane (I think, the n is weird). There seem to be other places where I noticed a missing page. My question is: are these page missing in the original manuscript? Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >>> >> >> Ed Durbrow >> Saitama, Japan >> http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch >> https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow >> http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ --