[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: thumb in or out???
> On Aug 3, 2019, at 3:06 PM, G. C. wrote: > > Nigel North has a relaxed thumb out playing style. Notice how the > pinky wanders! And the thumb wanders inside the fingers (e.g., 0:58, 6:58). I suppose whoever just wrote that he didn’t want to listen to baroque lute players who use thumb-in can skip those notes. Sooner or later these discussions about thumb-in/out start sounding like the Lilliputians debating which which end of the egg to suck. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: thumb in or out???
Nigel North has a relaxed thumb out playing style. Notice how the pinky wanders! [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAuj1_wqsbk G. -- References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAuj1_wqsbk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: thumb in or out???
Thomas is getting all the gigs at the moment, and rightly so, despite his non-hip choices. So what's your point? David - not fighting anyone in this exchange, just observing players and audiences making their own choices, neither based on anything the hip-police is describing as âcurrently correct'. On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 at 22:20, Christopher Wilke <[1]chriswi...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: Well, the performer may do as he likes in regard to technique and choice of instrument and its setup. No matter how well researched, our relationship with the performance of music from the past will always be partially speculative. At any rate, we're all artists working in the 21st century and I believe the degree to which the performer chooses to engage with what is understood about performance practice of the past is just another facet of that person's total aesthetic presentation. As for Thomas, he's clearly very talented and I can enjoy his playing. Having said that, the hugely arbitrary way in which HIPness is used as a critical litmus test for career success annoys me to no end. Some performers are granted favored status and can do no wrong. Meanwhile, other equally fantastic players are lambasted and marginalized for unpopular choices that are perfectly justifiable - sometimes even mandated - in period sources. To put it another way: the same handful of folks keep getting all the gigs because people who know better keep hiring them. That's not cool. I think there's room for a variety of approaches, but that's not what we get. Chris [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, August 3, 2019, 2:22 PM, Fischer BE (Aon) <[2]fischer...@aon.at> wrote: My comment sounds like this: Unfortunately, this performance is on a "lute-shape instrument" but by far not on a baroque lute. Apparently the young musician misses the idea and ideal of baroque lute sound and technique. He treats the instrument like a guitar. The type of string material is by far not authentic to what has been used in Bach's time. I am sorry, he should continue studying the guitar and not misinterpreting lute music. E.B. -Ursprà ¼ngliche Nachricht- Von: [2][3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3][4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Hermann Kelber Gesendet: Samstag, 03. August 2019 01:07 An: [4][5]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; [5][6]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] thumb in or out??? [1][6][7]https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 observe his right hand>> can't wait for the conversation ???!!!l let's see what all he lute experts have to say By the way he gave a concert in Berkeley several month ago enjoy Hermann -- References 1. [7][8]https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 To get on or off this list see list information at [8][9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [10]https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS 2. mailto:[11]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:[12]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:[13]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:[14]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. [15]https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 7. [16]https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 8. [17]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [18]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [19]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:chriswi...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 2. mailto:fischer...@aon.at 3. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 8. https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 10. https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS 11. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 12. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 13. mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 14. mailto:l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 15. https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 16. https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 17. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 18. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 19. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: thumb in or out???
I agree with Bernard. That's nice guitar playing on a strange guitar. Mathias __ Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App --- Original-Nachricht --- Von: David van Ooijen Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: thumb in or out??? Datum: 03.08.2019, 20:42 Uhr An: Cc: lutelist Net, Baroque Lute List (E-mail) Single-strung archlute tuned in g'. a' = 415Hz Poor rose. David *** David van Ooijen [1][2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2][3]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 at 20:24, Fischer BE (Aon) <[3][4]fischer...@aon.at> wrote: My comment sounds like this: Unfortunately, this performance is on a "lute-shape instrument" but by far not on a baroque lute. Apparently the young musician misses the idea and ideal of baroque lute sound and technique. He treats the instrument like a guitar. The type of string material is by far not authentic to what has been used in Bach's time. I am sorry, he should continue studying the guitar and not misinterpreting lute music. E.B. -Urspr����ngliche Nachricht- Von: [4][5]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[5][6]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Hermann Kelber Gesendet: Samstag, 03. August 2019 01:07 An: [6][7]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; [7][8]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] thumb in or out??? [1][8][9]https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 observe his right hand>>>>>> can't wait for the conversation ???!!!l let's see what all he lute experts have to say By the way he gave a concert in Berkeley several month ago enjoy Hermann -- References 1. [9][10]https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 To get on or off this list see list information at [10][11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[12]davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. [13]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:[14]fischer...@aon.at 4. mailto:[15]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:[16]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:[17]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. mailto:[18]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 8. [19]https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 9. [20]https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 10. [21]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://kommunikationsdienste.t-online.de/redirects/email_app_android_sendmail_footer 2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 3. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 4. mailto:fischer...@aon.at 5. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 7. mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 8. mailto:l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 9. https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 10. https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 12. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 13. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 14. mailto:fischer...@aon.at 15. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 16. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 17. mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 18. mailto:l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 19. https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 20. https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 21. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: thumb in or out???
Single-strung archlute tuned in g'. a' = 415Hz Poor rose. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 at 20:24, Fischer BE (Aon) <[3]fischer...@aon.at> wrote: My comment sounds like this: Unfortunately, this performance is on a "lute-shape instrument" but by far not on a baroque lute. Apparently the young musician misses the idea and ideal of baroque lute sound and technique. He treats the instrument like a guitar. The type of string material is by far not authentic to what has been used in Bach's time. I am sorry, he should continue studying the guitar and not misinterpreting lute music. E.B. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[5]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Hermann Kelber Gesendet: Samstag, 03. August 2019 01:07 An: [6]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; [7]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] thumb in or out??? [1][8]https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 observe his right hand>> can't wait for the conversation ???!!!l let's see what all he lute experts have to say By the way he gave aconcert in Berkeley several month ago enjoy Hermann -- References 1. [9]https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 To get on or off this list see list information at [10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:fischer...@aon.at 4. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. mailto:l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 8. https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 9. https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: thumb in or out???
My comment sounds like this: Unfortunately, this performance is on a "lute-shape instrument" but by far not on a baroque lute. Apparently the young musician misses the idea and ideal of baroque lute sound and technique. He treats the instrument like a guitar. The type of string material is by far not authentic to what has been used in Bach's time. I am sorry, he should continue studying the guitar and not misinterpreting lute music. E.B. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Hermann Kelber Gesendet: Samstag, 03. August 2019 01:07 An: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] thumb in or out??? [1]https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 observe his right hand>> can't wait for the conversation ???!!!l let's see what all he lute experts have to say By the way he gave a concert in Berkeley several month ago enjoy Hermann -- References 1. https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: thumb in or out???
Well. Single strung lute. Rather special right hand technique with thumb in, but the rest of the fingers employed more like a guitarist. I would say it was neither, nor really. To me, his right hand did not give a "relaxed" impression. But musically, he played the bwv 995 suite (the one most accessible to plucked instruments) well, albeit with some glitches and rattles. I assume, that one will find a great number of different styles and personal quirks among players when it comes to TI or TO and combinations thereof, depending on the instrument, mensur, how it is strung, holding, string material, nail size a.s.o. G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
