Hi Margareta,
Thank you for the information.
You do not have many dogs in the shelter. This is wonderful.
Wish we didn't had such a big problem in the US. Maybe education, plus early
spay/neuter will help for the future.
Sylvia Katvala
Tucson, AZ
of the breeder's violations and exclusion from the ShKK
and the SKK.
Cecilia Ståhl
Stockholm, Sweden
(BTW, anyone is welcome to send questions in regards to breeding policy here
in Sweden at [EMAIL PROTECTED] , they might be short staffed at the moment with
summer vacations, but they will definitely get out
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From: Cecilia Ståhl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: frequency of breeding evaluation (long)
Pat,
I can only speak from what I know of here in Sweden. There is virtually no
market for unregistered pure
I think this information is very, very interesting! It sounds like things
work as they do in Sweden because of an informed/educated public and a Code
of Ethics with some teeth behind it -- and the public disgrace aspect
probably helps as well. When this COE was developed and implemented, was
resistance -
all welcome to breed in as good way as possible. SKK stands for the best
standards in caring of dogs. Always if their are any discussion in our
society around dog issues they ask the chairman of SKK.
The Code of Ethics is seen like the best progress and developement when it
comes to breeding
Hi Margareta,
Your system seems to be working well for your area.
Does this mean you don't have shelters?
What about mix breeds?
We do have a big problem in the US with too many animals in shelters and a
large percentage purebreds. They also have to put a lot down, because they
shelters are
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Ämne: Mixed in shelters?Re: frequency of breeding evaluation (long)
Hi Margareta,
Your system seems to be working well for your area.
Does this mean you don't have shelters?
What about mix
I think before we justify breeding every cycle based on science, we must
remember that our dogs are not in a natural setting. They are our pets
first and foremost. In a natural setting, just a few puppies would survive,
not all. If they were coming fast some may not even get out of the sac
is always planted in the same
general area. My dogs are crated in my vehicle, for our rides, etc. so they
are not unused to being crated such as at a veterinary clinic, where this
would be necessary.
Regarding breeding bitches, I think that one would want to evaluate each
litter before a new one
I think Jane Johnson (I'm bad with names) has like 2 or 3 virtual breeding
links/sites. I'm not sure if all the sites still work. She also moderates
a yahoo groups specific to breeding.
If you really want to get a glimpse of breeding berners and the amount of
work involved in breeding
Hi all,
I found this website and thought it was interesting.
It takes you through a virtual breeding and the
complications that can come up. It also links to a
page with information on breeding in general.
http://www.bluegrace.com/virtualbreeding.html
Cheers,
Andrea Stefanac
Chance CD NDD
Just read the article on Berners in Dog Fancy (GREAT ad, by the way,
guys. Truly nice.) and have a question for the breeders out there:
I get concerned when I see ads for Berners that say puppies available.
I'm not quite so concerned when I see breeders' ads that say Is the
Berner the right
Have been on vacation, just getting caught up. Had to
chime in on the breeding topic - pros/cons of
linebreeding, inbreeding, outcrossing. There have
already been some excellent responses on this topic.
I just want to add - there is no safe formula for
breeding! The more you know about
it all - so, prioritizing is a necessity. Priorities can
shift as a breeding program progresses
- but constantly shifting priorities just to make your current dog
breedable is a shaky approach.
***It was that goal word that caught my eye. Here's my spin on Sharon's
comment.
***For every trait I put
Sorry, this last paragragh was cut-off:
re: In breeding, line breeding, and out crossing...
All in all, each has their place and the breed probably benefits most from
having the use of all three...in appropriate measure. I wouldn't want to
see all litters in-bred or tightly line-bred
In a message dated 3/25/2003 11:14:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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I understand the definitions of in-breeding, line-breeding and
out-crossing,
what I don't know are the pros and cons of each. Any information you can
provide would be helpful.
Hi Susan,
A while
Hi All,
I'm hoping you all can help me with this. I understand the definitions of
in-breeding, line-breeding and out-crossing, what I don't know are the pros and cons
of each. Any information you can provide would be helpful. Thanks
Susan
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Dear Members,
Sorry if this in in here twice. I'm just learning about this list.
My name is Kristin. I live in Ontario, Canada. I have been
researching Bernese Mountain Dogs and their breeders for about 6 months
because I would like to start breeding the Bernese myself. I would like
Hi Michaela,
Wasn't me! I know of dogs that have been close bred and prolific, a lot
has to do with the tendency within the lines that are being concentrated.
It is generally thought that to continue to inbreed will affect fertility.
Rose T.
At the beginning of the month, I attended the W Penn Symposium on Genetics
(Small Animal Medical Genetics for the Veterinarian and Breeder-- N.Mathew
Ellinwood, DVM, Ph.D.,Comparative Medical Genetics at U Penn) and Breeding
(Demystifying Canine Ovulation Timing - Melissa Goodman, DVM, Board
My breeder and I were chatting on the week-end and, amongst many things,
came to the topic line breeding and litter size.
I recall someone posting that the closer the line (in)breeding the smaller
the size of the litter. I just can't remember who posted it ( Ruth? Rose?
Susan?) or when.
Could
Hi Cheryl,
I'm sure your friend has had enough criticism but in truth accidents can
and do happen.
Right now she needs to consider finding homes for the puppies and because
of the closeness of the breeding she should consider early spay/neuter.
There is no reason the puppies will be any different
A co-worker has had an accidental breeding between her
5 year old German Shepard bitch and a full brother to
the bitch. To make matters worse she was unaware that
her bitch was pregnant until it was to late. She knows
this is totally un-responsible and is absolutely
appalled at herself for letting
My beloved Akita, Rohan, crossed the bridge at an average age for his breed.
He was the result of a full brother-sister breeding (dad ate through an
airline crate, escaped the locked garage the airline crate was in by
breaking the glass and jumping through a tiny window six feet up, went over
two
of a six month old puppy, you need
to consult with her breeder as to her promise. Showing is expensive and
breeding even more so and fraught with responsibilities. You might like to
show for fun and spay her afterwards and then work towards other official
titles.
Most breeders spay their bitches as soon
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From: Sharon Montville [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The downside
to early spaying is I believe some on this list have
had bitches with urinary incontinence as a result.
Most of the female pups I have placed were spayed by
age 6 months and have not had this problem. They
, at a higher risk of some cancers than other breeds, one in five
berners developing cancer during their life.
Based on her excellent health history, her father's awards and beautiful
markings, we were considering showing/breeding her but our main interest
is having her live a long healthy life.
Obviously
Hi Ruth,
Now adding another breed? That's a different story. That could change the
genetics significantly.
And not necessarily for the better! Might add in some more problems...
Merry Christmas, turkey's cooking:-)
Rose Tierney
-
Hi Vilma,
It will be a very long time before we have an accurate cancer screening
test, a genetic marker for tumor(s) in Berners known to have a strong
hereditary influence (such as mast cell and malignant histiocytosis) and
that
little evidence points to specific envirnmental causes (how
on that one.
Unfortunately, breeding to clear bad traits is not so easy . I bred my
bitch who had OFA excellent hips, clear elbows to a stud who also had that
and their siblings were all good and excellent, parents, aunts and uncles,
cousins, etc.I actually figured it back 5 generations
allowing dogs with these traits to be used for breeding isn't an issue.
They ARE allowed. And to some degree they are likely used. To my knowledge
there's no collection of data to analyze to determine how breedings of
mismarked dogs pan out with regard to incidence of cancers and canine hip
Mark asks what if we allow breeding of mis marked and blue eyed dogs to
expand the gene pool, (I hope I am paraphrasing accurately). He asks if this
would allow for a lower incidence of cancer and hip dysplasia. This
interested me, not because of allowing the breeding issue, but because I had
Hi AllI would love to hear some feedback on the topic of breeding prior to the bitch being physically mature! Like in her first heat at 9 months. I tried to explain what ive read to someone but i dont believe i made my point! Could i get some feedback that i can relay to others on this topic
not xraying at all ... Right??
--Tracey
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mary-Ann Bowman
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:52 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List
Subject: Re: Swedish Breeding Code of Ethics
Your
Thank you so much for sharing your experiences and information -- there is
so much to learn!! I would like to link something that you have said to a
recent discussion on the berner-l. You indicate that the incident of HD and
ED has been greatly reduced since the implementation of the breeding code
Your opinion is not at all offensive :) I believe that if a breeding code of
ethics required a certain type of food or exercise, then one might suggest
that lowered incidence of HD and ED was perhaps related to those things.
However, my understanding is that the breeding code of ethics simply
Karen,
The 2000 BMDCA Health Survey collected all of this information, we have the
summary of the reproductive issues here:
http://www.bmdca.org/pages/health_report.htm
If there are other specific questions that I can answer, give me some time,
it's a busy season, but the survey should be
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 06:52:48 -0800 (PST) Sharon Montville
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have used an HD fair bitch for breeding and I will
let you know in a month, the final results on her
offspring. So far, out of the 4 pups she produced,
one was OFA Prelim Good at 11 months, and one
Sharon ... BRAVO TO YOU!! This is exactly what I was trying to do in the
Buhund club -- it's not JUST getting the dog/bitch cleared ... It's
knowing it's littermates, and it's parent's littermates ... And how can
YOU the breeder know what sort of breeding program you have, if 90% of
your puppies
Sharon's response (i.e., the importance of looking at the health picture
painted by the broader family tree) to Lisa's question offers a great
opening for me to join in stressing how important it is for PET OWNERS to
radiograph/X-ray hips and elbows (at a minimum) and test (where possible)
their
I am interested in the opinions of others on the breeding of dogs or bitches
that are HD Fair. I do not think such dogs should be a part of a breeding
program and wish to hear how others feel about this.
Specifically, Berners, of course.
Lisa Allen
I thought my Berner Daphane (1983-1993
Lisa,
The current BMDCA Code Of Ethics, section C states,
C. Ideally x-ray for evidence of hip dysplasia at age of two years or
older, treating mild cases as they would any other fault, and excluding from
breeding programs dogs with more severe evidence of hip dysplasia.
OFA says
Fair means clear. Fair hips get a number. I feel to abolish a dog from a
breeding program soley based on fair hips would not be a decision I would
make. Let us think about a champion bitch with clear elbows, great
temperament, breed type and strong pedigreewould you really not breed
her
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