Re: [Bf-committers] Tool Shelf Toggling On/Off Tab Mockup

2011-06-15 Thread Knapp
I think this can be broken down into 2 ideas or ways of thinking. One you have to memories the way, for example hotkeys. The other you can just look at something and know what it does and click it, ie icons. Icons can also have pop ups that explain what they do. Icons all great for the learner but

Re: [Bf-committers] Tool Shelf Toggling On/Off Tab Mockup

2011-06-14 Thread Ton Roosendaal
Hi, In the early 2.50 period I coded miniature tabs, then simply draw as triangles. Such small tabs, woldithout text, a bit nicer styled drawn, on a consistent useful location it's still better than the (+) icons imho. -Ton-

Re: [Bf-committers] Tool Shelf Toggling On/Off Tab Mockup

2011-06-13 Thread M.G. Kishalmi
I like how Brecht solved this in the cycles branch: he removed the (+) icons all together. there are keys for props [N] and tools [T] and menu entries (in view) for all 3. maybe we can simply add a key for tool-props? suggestion: [ALT]+[N] or maybe.. don't allow the tool-props to be hidden at

Re: [Bf-committers] Tool Shelf Toggling On/Off Tab Mockup

2011-06-13 Thread michael williamson
Sadly there's no key to restore a minimised header! (they're all to easy to close when using a tablet with no way to restore in the cycles branch! (for headers I'd like to see the old 2.49 way and disable minimising them) ON TOPIC, I'd prefer tool props to be its own panel it's too

Re: [Bf-committers] Tool Shelf Toggling On/Off Tab Mockup

2011-06-13 Thread Felix Schlitter
I couldn't agree more with Michael. Hotkeys for restoring headers, or locking them would be wonderful! And on topic: I also never use the toolshelf for anything during modelling other than getting access to the operator panel. F6 is awesome but it would be more convenient to have it sitting in a

Re: [Bf-committers] Tool Shelf Toggling On/Off Tab Mockup

2011-06-13 Thread Luke Frisken
I think you are right in one sense. But, I look up here at a toolbar in my gmail and see icons that I have never clicked on and I'm pretty sure I know what they do. I'd call that self explanatory... I guess it takes a knowledge before hand of the function, or a previous encounter with a similar

Re: [Bf-committers] Tool Shelf Toggling On/Off Tab Mockup

2011-06-13 Thread Jim Williams
I've nothing against icons as an option that can be toggled on/off (or at least minimized) in order to get more real estate. I just object to them as the initial, only, or default interface. (BTW -- My Gmail is all buttons and text.) On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Luke Frisken

[Bf-committers] Tool Shelf Toggling On/Off Tab Mockup

2011-06-12 Thread Jonathan Smith
I have written up a mockup/proposal on a different way to do the closing and opening of the Tool Shelf and Properties Shelf UI, other than using the little plus icons, on my talk page. http://wiki.blender.org/index.php?title=User_talk:JayDez I am, unfortunately, not a good enough coder to

Re: [Bf-committers] Tool Shelf Toggling On/Off Tab Mockup

2011-06-12 Thread Aurel W.
Hi, I think that this would be rather unpractical, it takes way to much visual space for what it represents. If i want to collapse those panels, i want them gone, not taking a lot of space on the screen like those huge buttons. Blenders gui already got way too unefficient in 2.5, especially when

Re: [Bf-committers] Tool Shelf Toggling On/Off Tab Mockup

2011-06-12 Thread Luke Frisken
Nice idea. It is an issue that needs improvement. I only have one suggestion. Instead of vertical writing, which as you say would take work to implement, perhaps the use of clear and appropriate icons might be easier to recognise in a hurry than writing turned on the side. I think this is

Re: [Bf-committers] Tool Shelf Toggling On/Off Tab Mockup

2011-06-12 Thread Jim Williams
I'd agree. Find ways to use less real estate, not more. On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Aurel W. aure...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I think that this would be rather unpractical, it takes way to much visual space for what it represents. If i want to collapse those panels, i want them gone, not

Re: [Bf-committers] Tool Shelf Toggling On/Off Tab Mockup

2011-06-12 Thread Jonathan Smith
You are probably right, using a lot of space doesn't seem to be the best answer.. back to drawing board. On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Jim Williams sphere1...@gmail.com wrote: I'd agree. Find ways to use less real estate, not more. On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Aurel W.