Re: [Bitcoin-development] A way to create a fee market even without a block size limit (2013)

2015-05-11 Thread Sergio Lerner
El 10/05/2015 06:07 p.m., Gregory Maxwell escribió: On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Sergio Lerner sergioler...@certimix.com wrote: Can the system by gamed? Users can pay fees or a portion of fees out of band to miner(s); this is undetectable to the network. Then this is exactly what is

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Reducing the block rate instead of increasing the maximum block size

2015-05-11 Thread Thy Shizzle
Yes This! So many people seem hung up on growing the block size! If gaining a higher tps throughput is the main aim, I think that this proposition to speed up block creation has merit! Yes it will lead to an increase in the block chain still due to 1mb ~1 minute instead of ~10 minute, but the

[Bitcoin-development] Reducing the block rate instead of increasing the maximum block size

2015-05-11 Thread Sergio Lerner
In this e-mail I'll do my best to argue than if you accept that increasing the transactions/second is a good direction to go, then increasing the maximum block size is not the best way to do it. I argue that the right direction to go is to decrease the block rate to 1 minute, while keeping the

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Reducing the block rate instead of increasing the maximum block size

2015-05-11 Thread insecurity
So if the server pushes new block header candidates to clients, then the problem boils down to increasing bandwidth of the servers to achieve a tenfold increase in work distribution. Most Stratum pools already do multiple updates of the header every block period, bandwidth is really

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Reducing the block rate instead of increasing the maximum block size

2015-05-11 Thread Peter Todd
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 04:03:29AM -0300, Sergio Lerner wrote: Arguments against reducing the block interval 1. It will encourage centralization, because participants of mining pools will loose more money because of excessive initial block template latency, which leads to higher stale shares

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Reducing the block rate instead of increasing the maximum block size

2015-05-11 Thread insecurity
On 2015-05-11 10:34, Peter Todd wrote: How do you see that blacklisting actually being done? Same way ghash.io was banned from the network when used Finney attacks against BetCoin Dice. As Andreas Antonopoulos says, if any of the miners do anything bad, we just ban them from mining. Any sort of

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Reducing the block rate instead of increasing the maximum block size

2015-05-11 Thread Dave Hudson
I proposed the same thing last year (there's a video of the presentation I was giving somewhere around). My intuition was that this would require slowly reducing the inter-block time, probably by step reductions at particular block heights. Having had almost a year to think about it some more

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Reducing the block rate instead of increasing the maximum block size

2015-05-11 Thread Dave Hudson
On 11 May 2015, at 12:10, insecurity@national.shitposting.agency wrote: On 2015-05-11 10:34, Peter Todd wrote: How do you see that blacklisting actually being done? Same way ghash.io was banned from the network when used Finney attacks against BetCoin Dice. As Andreas Antonopoulos

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Reducing the block rate instead of increasing the maximum block size

2015-05-11 Thread Christian Decker
The propagation speed gain from having smaller blocks is linear in the size reduction, down to a small size, after which the delay of the first byte prevails [1], however the blockchain fork rate increases superlinearly, giving an overall worse tradeoff. A high blockchain fork rate is a symptom of

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin core 0.11 planning

2015-05-11 Thread Wladimir
A reminder - feature freeze and string freeze is coming up this Friday the 15th. Let me know if your pull request is ready to be merged before then, Wladimir On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Wladimir J. van der Laan laa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, The release window for 0.11 is nearing,

[Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Bitcoin core 0.11 planning

2015-05-11 Thread Wladimir
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Pieter Wuille pieter.wui...@gmail.com wrote: As softforks almost certainly require backports to older releases and other software anyway, I don't think they should necessarily be bound to Bitcoin Core major releases. If they don't require large code changes, we

[Bitcoin-development] Long-term mining incentives

2015-05-11 Thread Thomas Voegtlin
The discussion on block size increase has brought some attention to the other elephant in the room: Long-term mining incentives. Bitcoin derives its current market value from the assumption that a stable, steady-state regime will be reached in the future, where miners have an incentive to keep

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Long-term mining incentives

2015-05-11 Thread insecurity
On 2015-05-11 16:28, Thomas Voegtlin wrote: My problem is that this seems to lacks a vision. If the maximal block size is increased only to buy time, or because some people think that 7 tps is not enough to compete with VISA, then I guess it would be healthier to try and develop off-chain

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin-development Digest, Vol 48, Issue 62

2015-05-11 Thread Damian Gomez
Hllo I want to build from a conversation that I had w/ Peter (T?) regarding the increase in block size in the bitcoin from its's current structure would be the proposasl of an prepend to the hash chain itself that would be the first DER decoded script in order to verify integrity(trust) within a

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin-development Digest, Vol 48, Issue 63

2015-05-11 Thread Damian Gomez
Btw How awful that I didn't cite my sources, please exucse me, this is definitely not my intention sometimes I get too caught up in my own excitemtnt 1) Martin, J., Alvisi, L., Fast Byzantine Consensus. *IEEE Transactions on Dependable and Secure Computing. 2006. *3(3) doi: ? Please see

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Reducing the block rate instead of increasing the maximum block size

2015-05-11 Thread Luke Dashjr
On Monday, May 11, 2015 7:03:29 AM Sergio Lerner wrote: 1. It will encourage centralization, because participants of mining pools will loose more money because of excessive initial block template latency, which leads to higher stale shares When a new block is solved, that information needs

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Long-term mining incentives

2015-05-11 Thread Gavin Andresen
I think long-term the chain will not be secured purely by proof-of-work. I think when the Bitcoin network was tiny running solely on people's home computers proof-of-work was the right way to secure the chain, and the only fair way to both secure the chain and distribute the coins. See