[Bitcoin-development] MtGox blames bitcoin

2014-02-10 Thread Drak
What is the official response from the Bitcoin Core developers about MtGox's assertion that their problems are due to a fault of bitcoin, as opposed to a fault of their own? The technical analysis preluding this mess, was that MtGox was at fault for their faulty wallet implementation. Drak

Re: [Bitcoin-development] MtGox blames bitcoin

2014-02-10 Thread sick...@gmail.com
Hi, On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Drak d...@zikula.org wrote: What is the official response from the Bitcoin Core developers about MtGox's assertion that their problems are due to a fault of bitcoin, as opposed to a fault of their own? The technical analysis preluding this mess, was that

Re: [Bitcoin-development] MtGox blames bitcoin

2014-02-10 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 3:28 AM, Drak d...@zikula.org wrote: What is the official response from the Bitcoin Core developers about MtGox's assertion that their problems are due to a fault of bitcoin, as opposed to a fault of their own? The technical analysis preluding this mess, was that MtGox

[Bitcoin-development] Malleability and MtGox's announcement

2014-02-10 Thread Pieter Wuille
Hi all, I was a bit surprised to see MtGox's announcement. The malleability of transactions was known for years already (see for example the wiki article on it, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_Malleability it, or mails on this list from 2012 and 2013). I don't consider it a very big

Re: [Bitcoin-development] MtGox blames bitcoin

2014-02-10 Thread Isidor Zeuner
What is the official response from the Bitcoin Core developers about MtGox's assertion that their problems are due to a fault of bitcoin, as opposed to a fault of their own? The technical analysis preluding this mess, was that MtGox was at fault for their faulty wallet implementation. I'm

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Malleability and MtGox's announcement

2014-02-10 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
Okay, why the everloving FUCK is there not someone on this list with a @mtgox.com address talking about this? I started using bitcoin because I could audit the code, and when the developer cabal does stuff 'off-list' what you do is hand over market manipulation power to the selected cabal of

Re: [Bitcoin-development] MtGox blames bitcoin

2014-02-10 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 03:40:03PM +0100, Isidor Zeuner wrote: What is the official response from the Bitcoin Core developers about MtGox's assertion that their problems are due to a fault of bitcoin, as opposed to a fault of their own? The technical analysis preluding this mess, was

Re: [Bitcoin-development] MtGox blames bitcoin

2014-02-10 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Troy Benjegerdes ho...@hozed.org wrote: Name me one single person with commit access to the bitcoin github repository who is *independent* of any venture capital or other 'investment' connections. I am, unless you count the fact that I own some Bitcoin and some

Re: [Bitcoin-development] MtGox blames bitcoin

2014-02-10 Thread Drak
Well done Gavin for quickly setting the record straight[1] officially as project lead. MtGox tried to blame their issues by throwing Bitcoin under a bus and I am glad there has been a public rebuttal showing up their incompetence which is doing harm to the bitcoin eco system. Basically, yes there

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Malleability and MtGox's announcement

2014-02-10 Thread Nick Simpson
You must be new here. MtGox very rarely comments on things like this publicly, outside of irc or their website. Second, MtGox problem is a MtGox problem. You have no right to demand access to their private code. If you feel wronged as a customer, sue them. Otherwise, they have no obligation

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Malleability and MtGox's announcement

2014-02-10 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
I cannot judge the competence of code I've never seen, so I have no position on that. What I HAVE seen quite clearly is both overt and covert market manipulation under cover of blame for 'the developers', or 'the exchange' You're doing it yourself with the phrase 'incompetence'. When you run an

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Malleability and MtGox's announcement

2014-02-10 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
A bitcoin problem is not really my problem, and if MtGox's investors can't seem to understand the value of publishing their code, I'll be happy to take their money as it leaves bitcoin for more distributed and transparent cryptocurrency ecosystems. I feel some sort of moral obligation to point

Re: [Bitcoin-development] MtGox blames bitcoin

2014-02-10 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 08:45:03AM -0800, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Troy Benjegerdes ho...@hozed.org wrote: Name me one single person with commit access to the bitcoin github repository who is *independent* of any venture capital or other 'investment'

Re: [Bitcoin-development] MtGox blames bitcoin

2014-02-10 Thread Jameson Lopp
You have plenty of good points, but they are not relevant to this mailing list. I suggest you take them elsewhere. -- Jameson Lopp Software Engineer Bronto Software, Inc On 02/10/2014 01:25 PM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 08:45:03AM -0800, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Mon, Feb

Re: [Bitcoin-development] MtGox blames bitcoin

2014-02-10 Thread Gavin Andresen
RE: taking discussion elsewhere: Yes, please, the purpose of this mailing list is technical discussions to encourage interoperability of Bitcoin implementations, improve ease-of-use and security, etc. -- -- Gavin Andresen

Re: [Bitcoin-development] MtGox blames bitcoin

2014-02-10 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
If you've got any ideas for a better forum, let me know. MtGox is one of the largest public faces of the code being developed here. If the public perception is that this is a bitcoin protocol flaw, then we need some damned strong and compelling public arguments about why it ain't so. But after

Re: [Bitcoin-development] MtGox blames bitcoin

2014-02-10 Thread Peter Todd
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 01:07:03PM -0600, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: If you've got any ideas for a better forum, let me know. Your political conversations would be welcome at unsys...@lists.dyne.org See you there. -- 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org

Re: [Bitcoin-development] MtGox blames bitcoin

2014-02-10 Thread naman naman
Hi guys, Please check this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=458608.0for a possible attack scenario. Already mailed Gavin, Mike Hearn and Adam about this : See if it makes sense. On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:53 AM, Peter Todd p...@petertodd.org wrote: On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Decentralized digital asset exchange with honest pricing and market depth

2014-02-10 Thread Peter Todd
On Sun, Feb 09, 2014 at 03:44:34PM -0500, Peter Todd wrote: On Sun, Feb 09, 2014 at 01:04:58PM -0500, Peter Todd wrote: Alex Mizrahi recently outlined a mechanism(1) based on SIGHASH_SINGLE that allows colored coins and similar embedded consensus system assets to be securely transferred to

Re: [Bitcoin-development] MtGox blames bitcoin

2014-02-10 Thread Peter Todd
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 01:00:21AM +0530, naman naman wrote: Hi guys, Please check this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=458608.0for a possible attack scenario. Already mailed Gavin, Mike Hearn and Adam about this : See if it makes sense. That's basically what appears to

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Malleability and MtGox's announcement

2014-02-10 Thread Oliver Egginger
Am 10.02.2014 13:28, schrieb Pieter Wuille: Hi all, I was a bit surprised to see MtGox's announcement. The malleability of transactions was known for years already (see for example the wiki article on it, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_Malleability it, or mails on this list from

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Malleability and MtGox's announcement

2014-02-10 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Oliver Egginger bitc...@olivere.de wrote: As I understand this attack someone renames the transaction ID before being confirmed in the blockchain. Not easy but if he is fast enough it should be possible. With a bit of luck for the attacker the new transaction

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Malleability and MtGox's announcement

2014-02-10 Thread Tier Nolan
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Oliver Egginger bitc...@olivere.de wrote: As I understand this attack someone renames the transaction ID before being confirmed in the blockchain. Not easy but if he is fast enough it should be possible. With a bit of luck for the attacker the new transaction

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Malleability and MtGox's announcement

2014-02-10 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Tier Nolan tier.no...@gmail.com wrote: If the attacker has a direct connection to MtGox, they can receive the transaction directly. MtGox had a php script that returned base64 data for all their stalled transactions. Not just attackers used that, some people

[Bitcoin-development] Framework for modular input selection policy for Bitcoin wallets

2014-02-10 Thread Justus Ranvier
One of the areas that isn't as well developed as it could be in terms of wallet design is fine-grained control over input selection policy. Coin control is great when a human is manually crafting transactions, but that's not really a very scalable solution. The attached image is a possible way