[Bitcoin-development] death by halving

2014-10-25 Thread Alex Mizrahi
# Death by halving ## Summary If miner's income margin are less than 50% (which is a healthy situation when mining hardware is readily available), we might experience catastrophic loss of hashpower (and, more importantly, catastrophic loss of security) after reward halving. ## A simple model

Re: [Bitcoin-development] death by halving

2014-10-25 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Alex Mizrahi alex.mizr...@gmail.com wrote: Hashrate might drop by more than 50% immediately after the halving (and before difficulty is updated), thus a combination of the halving and slow difficulty update pose a real threat. Flag day herd behavior like this

Re: [Bitcoin-development] death by halving

2014-10-25 Thread Jeff Garzik
It is an overly-simplistic miner model to assume altruism is necessary. The hashpower market is maturing in the direction of financial instruments, where the owner of the hashpower is not necessarily the one receiving income. These are becoming tradeable instruments, and derivatives and hedging

Re: [Bitcoin-development] death by halving

2014-10-25 Thread Gavin Andresen
We had a halving, and it was a non-event. Is there some reason to believe next time will be different? -- -- Gavin Andresen -- ___ Bitcoin-development mailing list

Re: [Bitcoin-development] death by halving

2014-10-25 Thread Adam Back
Some thoughts about Alex's analysis: - bitcoin price may increase (though doubling immediately might be unlikely) after the halving (because the new coins are in short supply). Apparently there is some evidence of a feedback loop between number of freshly mined coins sold to cover electrical

Re: [Bitcoin-development] death by halving

2014-10-25 Thread Thomas Zander
On Saturday 25. October 2014 21.06.32 Alex Mizrahi wrote: If miner's income margin are less than 50% (which is a healthy situation when mining hardware is readily available), we might experience catastrophic loss of hashpower (and, more importantly, catastrophic loss of security) after reward

Re: [Bitcoin-development] death by halving

2014-10-25 Thread Thomas Zander
On Saturday 25. October 2014 13.27.30 Adam Back wrote: - alternatively you might say why not 1/100th reward reduction per 2 week period rather than 1/2 every 4 years, a difficulty retarget could be a convenient point to do that. mining equipment has a much shorter lifetime than 4 years, so the

Re: [Bitcoin-development] death by halving

2014-10-25 Thread Alex Mizrahi
For the sake of argument, lets assume that somehow (quite unlikely) Why is it unlikely? Do you believe that the cost of electricity cannot be higher than expected mining revenue? Or do you expect miners to keep mining when it costs them money? half the mining equipment gets shut off. The

Re: [Bitcoin-development] death by halving

2014-10-25 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 25 October 2014 21:53, Alex Mizrahi alex.mizr...@gmail.com wrote: We had a halving, and it was a non-event. Is there some reason to believe next time will be different? Yes. When the market is rapidly growing, margins can be relatively high because of limited amounts of capital being

Re: [Bitcoin-development] death by halving

2014-10-25 Thread Alexander Leishman
Interesting analysis! I think there are a few important effects that aren't being considered. 1. When the block reward is halved, inflation is halved as well. Is this halving already priced in by the market or will it result in an upward pressure on the price? 2. It was acknowledged that the

Re: [Bitcoin-development] death by halving

2014-10-25 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 26 October 2014 00:10, Ross Nicoll j...@jrn.me.uk wrote: I'd suggest looking at how Dogecoin's mining schedule has worked out, for how halvings tend to actually affect the market. Part of Dogecoin's design was that it would halve very quickly (around every 75 days, in fact), so it's