Re: [Bitcoin-development] questions about bitcoin-XT code fork non-consensus hard-fork

2015-06-16 Thread Pindar Wong
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Adam Back a...@cypherspace.org wrote: Hi Mike Well thank you for replying openly on this topic, its helpful. I apologise in advance if this gets quite to the point and at times blunt, but transparency is important, and we owe it to the users who see Bitcoin

Re: [Bitcoin-development] The Bitcoin Node Market

2015-06-16 Thread justusranvier
On 2015-06-16 07:55, Aaron Voisine wrote: Suppose a billion mobile phones wanted to run SPV wallets tomorrow. Who would provide the nodes they would need connect to? The SPV wallet author would if they wanted their wallet to function. How will the SPV wallet users pay for this service?

Re: [Bitcoin-development] questions about bitcoin-XT code fork non-consensus hard-fork

2015-06-16 Thread Peter Todd
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 08:33:31PM +0800, Pindar Wong wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Adam Back a...@cypherspace.org wrote: Dear Adam, All: At the community's convenience, it would be an honour to arrange an initial open summit to meet with representatives of the Chinese miners in

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP for Proof of Payment

2015-06-16 Thread Kalle Rosenbaum
Another thing worth mentioning is that an SPV wallet cannot validate a PoP without fetching the input transactions of the PoP from an external (not bitcoin network) source, for example chain.com or some other trusted full node's API. The validation of the PoP depends on the external source(s)

Re: [Bitcoin-development] questions about bitcoin-XT code fork non-consensus hard-fork

2015-06-16 Thread Pindar Wong
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Peter Todd p...@petertodd.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 08:33:31PM +0800, Pindar Wong wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Adam Back a...@cypherspace.org wrote: Dear Adam, All: At the community's convenience, it would be an honour to arrange an

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP for Proof of Payment

2015-06-16 Thread Kalle Rosenbaum
Thank you for the clarification Tom! /Kalle 2015-06-16 16:05 GMT+02:00 Tom Harding t...@thinlink.com: On 6/16/2015 5:12 AM, Kalle Rosenbaum wrote: 2015-06-16 7:26 GMT+02:00 Tom Harding t...@thinlink.com: Kalle goes to some trouble to describe how merchants need to ensure that they only

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Reusable payment codes

2015-06-16 Thread odinn
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This is very well done. Have you seen this discussion that I started regarding BIP 63? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1083961.0 I have no response from Peter Todd back on it other than my time is better spent focusing on more fundemental

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Scaling Bitcoin with Subchains

2015-06-16 Thread Andrew
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Peter Todd p...@petertodd.org wrote: Merge-mined sidechains are not a scaling solution any more than SPV is a scaling solution because they don't solve the scaling problem for miners. Some kind of treechain like sidechain / subchains where what part of the

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Reusable payment codes

2015-06-16 Thread Peter Todd
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 09:26:07AM -0700, odinn wrote: This is very well done. Have you seen this discussion that I started regarding BIP 63? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1083961.0 I have no response from Peter Todd back on it other than my time is better spent focusing on

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Scaling Bitcoin with Subchains

2015-06-16 Thread Peter Todd
On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 01:15:14PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Pieter Wuille pieter.wui...@gmail.com wrote: It's simple: either you care about validation, and you must validate everything, or you don't, and you don't validate anything. Sidechains do not

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP for Proof of Payment

2015-06-16 Thread Pieter Wuille
I don't see why existing software could create a 40-byte OP_RETURN but not larger? The limitation comes from a relay policy in full nodes, not a limitation is wallet software... and PoPs are not relayed on the network. Regarding sharing, I think you're talking about a different use case. Say you

Re: [Bitcoin-development] [BIP draft] Consensus-enforced transaction replacement signalled via sequence numbers

2015-06-16 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:00 AM, Mark Friedenbach m...@friedenbach.org wrote: Given that we have had more than two weeks of public discussion, code is available and reviewed, and several community identified issues resolved, I would like to formally request a BIP number be assigned for this

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Reusable payment codes

2015-06-16 Thread odinn
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter, my response below On 06/16/2015 10:46 AM, Peter Todd wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 09:26:07AM -0700, odinn wrote: This is very well done. Have you seen this discussion that I started regarding BIP 63?

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity

2015-06-16 Thread grarpamp
Please no GoogleGroups. Stick with mailman or some other open source thing you can move around from place to place as needed. Also, online third party archives die, their web interfaces suck ass, they're bloated, don't export, aren't offline capable or authoritative, etc. You need to make the

Re: [Bitcoin-development] [RFC] Canonical input and output ordering in transactions

2015-06-16 Thread Jorge Timón
On Jun 15, 2015 11:43 PM, Rusty Russell ru...@rustcorp.com.au wrote: Though Peter Todd's more general best-effort language might make more sense. It's not like you can hide an OP_RETURN transaction to make it look like something else, so that transaction not going to be distinguished by

Re: [Bitcoin-development] The Bitcoin Node Market

2015-06-16 Thread Aaron Voisine
Suppose a billion mobile phones wanted to run SPV wallets tomorrow. Who would provide the nodes they would need connect to? The SPV wallet author would if they wanted their wallet to function. Aaron Voisine co-founder and CEO breadwallet.com On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:28 PM,

Re: [Bitcoin-development] questions about bitcoin-XT code fork non-consensus hard-fork

2015-06-16 Thread Mike Hearn
Hi Bryan, Specifically, when Adam mentioned your conversations with non-technical people, he did not mean Mike has talked with people who have possibly not made pull requests to Bitcoin Core, so therefore Mike is a non-programmer. Yes, my comment was prickly and grumpy. No surprises, I did

Re: [Bitcoin-development] questions about bitcoin-XT code fork non-consensus hard-fork

2015-06-16 Thread Mike Hearn
How do you plan to deal with security incident response for the duration you describe where you will have control while you are deploying the unilateral hard-fork and being in sole maintainership control? How do we plan to deal with security incident response - exactly the same way as