Re: [Bitcoin-development] [Bulk] Re: Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements

2015-05-31 Thread Gavin Andresen
On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 9:31 AM, gb kiw...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Aren't you calculating bandwidth for a singly-connected node? A highly
 connected miner could have 30-100 node connections so you probably need
 to increase your traffic estimates by that factor.

 I.e. For 100MB blocks, 30-100 Mbps and $60-$100 per day data costs.


No, randomly connected gossip networks (which is what the Bitcoin p2p
network is) don't work that way, bandwidth is (roughly) O(N) where N is the
number of bytes relayed to everybody.

(it is actually a small multiple of N, because of the overhead of 'inv'
messages, and if we ever get really serious about scaling up we'll need to
fix the protocol to reduce that overhead, but that won't be a problem for
years).


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Re: [Bitcoin-development] [Bulk] Re: Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements

2015-05-31 Thread gb

Aren't you calculating bandwidth for a singly-connected node? A highly
connected miner could have 30-100 node connections so you probably need
to increase your traffic estimates by that factor.

I.e. For 100MB blocks, 30-100 Mbps and $60-$100 per day data costs.

 You should be able to handle 20MB blocks no problem; if I round up to
 100MB per block that works out to 1.3Mbps.
 
 
 We also use Aliyun and Linode cloud services for block
 propagation. As of May 2015, the price is 0.13 U.S. dollars
 per GB for
 100Mbps connectivity at Aliyun.
 
 
 That speed will handle 20MB blocks no problem.
 
 
 If each 20MB block is 100MB of data up/down the wire (I'm vastly
 over-estimating, after optimization it should be 40MB) then you'll be
 paying...uhhh:
 
 
 0.1 GB / block-data-on-wire * 144 blocks/day * 30.5 days/month * 0.13
 $ / GB = $57
 
 
 Less than $2 per day in bandwidth.
  
 For a single cross-border TCP
 connection, it would be certainly far slower than 12.5 MB/s. 
 
 
 That's OK, you'll 1.3Mbps or less


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