Re: [Blackbelly] taste of lamb
Carol, this is the first time I've heard of a 3-year age put on good-tasting meat. Is that for real cuz I've never tried lamb over 13 months. Secondly, would this only apply to your Barbados Blackbellies or possibly the American Blackbellies, too? And finally, what does the meat taste like after 3 years and a month, surely there is no magic 36 month age? Thanks, Rick Krachin Auburn, CA On my farm, ram lambs grow up to be either breeding rams or freezer lambs, and neither require castration. Unlike other breeds of sheep, blackbelly meat remains mild flavored well past 3 years of age. The only time I castrated a ram lamb was when I had to bottle feed a lamb whose mother had died. I knew I'd never be able to butcher him, and sometimes it's very handy to have a wether around. It never gets easier. Don't let anyone tell you that it does. Carol ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Looking for .....
I might be able to fit CO OH CO into my trip - ron On Friday 04/04/2014 at 10:00 am, Jann Bach wrote: I'm in Fountain, Colorado. Just south of Colorado Springs. You can email me at jannba...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Mike Hummel m...@soggytopfarm.com wrote: Jann, Where are you located. We would be interested in a swap. Mike On 4/4/2014 9:39 AM, Jann Bach wrote: I am looking to buy or trade for an unrelated AB ram or ram lamb. I have stock from Gerry Krause's flock. Jann Sent from my iPhone On Apr 3, 2014, at 11:55 PM, Ron Keener wifi rkee...@realtime.net wrote: coast to coast trip planning I survived the accident in JAN and surgery in MAR - now I am about ready to be back on the road again - I am making long distance trips in the next three months - I have room on parts of the route if you get back to me ASAP - my contact info is on my TravelWithRonK.com web site - I always need pick up city/state, drop off city/state, and a brief description of the animals in every email I am getting enquiries about possible future trips - I am adding a list of tentative/long term transports below so that you can see what I might be doing in the future - I need a pickup city/state, drop off city/state, and an idea of the animals (even if tentative or just looking) if you want to be on my 'tickler' file list Here is what my current trip route looks like - go to Google Maps Directions to see it on a map - enter the first two cities on my route into Google - it will show a map with the route - then keep adding 'a new destination' by adding the name of the next city in the list - Google will keep adding to the map so that you can see the entire trip on a map The list of cities below is for generic information only. It is not meant to be a detailed itinerary. Do not panic if your stop on the trip is not listed here. Austin TX Lohn TX Mangum OK Everett PA Keene NH St Johnsbury VT Thorndike MA Bristow VA Petersburg VA deQueen AR Durango CO Elma WA Pullman WA Hanover KS Danbury TX Austin TX The list below is tentative and/or longterm - send me info if you want to be here TX to ND export IL to MT export OR to WI OR to MA OR to VT ME to IA OH to CA AR to WA find my contact info on my TravelWithRonK.com website - it is best when calling to call my cell phone number @ 512.923.4359 - I very seldom am able to answer my home phone or to look at messages if I on the road. If you do leave a message leave your phone number TWICE! I do not monitor the groups closely so please reply to my private email rkee...@realtime.net ron, tina, and jeremy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] taste of lamb
Hi Rick, Yes, I've butchered 2- to 3-year-old rams and they taste fine. The connective tissue in the older rams gets pretty tough, so I generally have the older animals put into ground meat rather than steaks. There is no magic butcher age; I guess a lot depends on the ram's diet and environment. There is a good market for lamb and mutton with the raw dog food enthusiasts. I think the next time I have a ram older than 3 years to butcher, I'll go ahead and have his meat ground. If it's too strong flavored, I can recover the slaughter and packaging fees plus probably $1.00/lb live weight by selling the meat to the raw dog food folks. I have no experience with American Blackbelly, so I can't say for sure. Perhaps an AB breeder can comment on this. Carol At 11:17 PM 4/4/2014, you wrote: Carol, this is the first time I've heard of a 3-year age put on good-tasting meat. Is that for real cuz I've never tried lamb over 13 months. Secondly, would this only apply to your Barbados Blackbellies or possibly the American Blackbellies, too? And finally, what does the meat taste like after 3 years and a month, surely there is no magic 36 month age? Thanks, Rick Krachin Auburn, CA Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Breeding
I'm curious what is everyone's breeding schedule? Do you only breed once a year or do you try and get more lambing's from your ewes? (Lets assume your ewes condition is good) Just curious the pro's and con's to both ways. Thanks, Tiana ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Looking for .....
Ron would you please email me privately at jannba...@gmail.com with pricing. Thanks Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2014, at 9:05 AM, Ron Keener wifi rkee...@realtime.net wrote: I might be able to fit CO OH CO into my trip - ron On Friday 04/04/2014 at 10:00 am, Jann Bach wrote: I'm in Fountain, Colorado. Just south of Colorado Springs. You can email me at jannba...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Mike Hummel m...@soggytopfarm.com wrote: Jann, Where are you located. We would be interested in a swap. Mike On 4/4/2014 9:39 AM, Jann Bach wrote: I am looking to buy or trade for an unrelated AB ram or ram lamb. I have stock from Gerry Krause's flock. Jann Sent from my iPhone On Apr 3, 2014, at 11:55 PM, Ron Keener wifi rkee...@realtime.net wrote: coast to coast trip planning I survived the accident in JAN and surgery in MAR - now I am about ready to be back on the road again - I am making long distance trips in the next three months - I have room on parts of the route if you get back to me ASAP - my contact info is on my TravelWithRonK.com web site - I always need pick up city/state, drop off city/state, and a brief description of the animals in every email I am getting enquiries about possible future trips - I am adding a list of tentative/long term transports below so that you can see what I might be doing in the future - I need a pickup city/state, drop off city/state, and an idea of the animals (even if tentative or just looking) if you want to be on my 'tickler' file list Here is what my current trip route looks like - go to Google Maps Directions to see it on a map - enter the first two cities on my route into Google - it will show a map with the route - then keep adding 'a new destination' by adding the name of the next city in the list - Google will keep adding to the map so that you can see the entire trip on a map The list of cities below is for generic information only. It is not meant to be a detailed itinerary. Do not panic if your stop on the trip is not listed here. Austin TX Lohn TX Mangum OK Everett PA Keene NH St Johnsbury VT Thorndike MA Bristow VA Petersburg VA deQueen AR Durango CO Elma WA Pullman WA Hanover KS Danbury TX Austin TX The list below is tentative and/or longterm - send me info if you want to be here TX to ND export IL to MT export OR to WI OR to MA OR to VT ME to IA OH to CA AR to WA find my contact info on my TravelWithRonK.com website - it is best when calling to call my cell phone number @ 512.923.4359 - I very seldom am able to answer my home phone or to look at messages if I on the road. If you do leave a message leave your phone number TWICE! I do not monitor the groups closely so please reply to my private email rkee...@realtime.net ron, tina, and jeremy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Breeding
We had been leaving the ram in with the gals year around, make sure everyone was in good condition. Wanting to build the flock up. Ends up at 100 head we were pushing our pasture too much, we had to rotate too quickly and picked up some worms. We also had some real bad winter weather this year and lost some lambs even though the barn was dry. We are now keeping the ram out so that all the ewes are done lambing through the winter. We have reduced the flock, kept the best and will cull a bit more this summer. Mike On 4/7/2014 1:16 PM, Tiana Franklin wrote: I'm curious what is everyone's breeding schedule? Do you only breed once a year or do you try and get more lambing's from your ewes? (Lets assume your ewes condition is good) Just curious the pro's and con's to both ways. Thanks, Tiana ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Breeding
Because we don't favor lambing in the winter, we typically let the rams out with their chosen ewes on October 28th and see our lambing start on March 28th. On Apr 7, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Tiana Franklin tian...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious what is everyone's breeding schedule? Do you only breed once a year or do you try and get more lambing's from your ewes? (Lets assume your ewes condition is good) Just curious the pro's and con's to both ways. Thanks, Tiana ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Breeding
Hi Tiana, We breed for late April and May lambings. The girls are willing to breed back as fast as two weeks but we do not allow it. We also have stopped breeding ewe lambs (less than 1 year old). We prefer to let our girls mature to lamb at two years of age. I know they are willing to have lambs at one year of age but we have lost to many moms and babies when the ewe is young. The late spring lambing allows the ewes to raise their lambs on pasture (provided it rains). We are aiming for twins and triplets once a year. Mark Wintermute -Original Message- Subject: [Blackbelly] Breeding I'm curious what is everyone's breeding schedule? Do you only breed once a year or do you try and get more lambing's from your ewes? (Lets assume your ewes condition is good) Just curious the pro's and con's to both ways. Thanks, Tiana ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Breeding
Mark, that's also how I plan to do mine. I have 5 lambs so far from 3 mothers. I have 3 yet to go, but none will be bred back until the fall for April/May lambs. Once a year and I don't plan to breed the lamb ewes until they are about a year and a half. This year I have 3 yearlings due to lamb and I really think they are too young to be having babies. I know there are arguments both ways but this is what I plan to do. Best Wishes, Jann Mountain Ridge Ranch and KayaKyi Kennels American Blackbelly Sheep Tibetan Mastiffs PBGVs and GBGVs mrr.mysite.com https://www.facebook.com/KayakyiPBGVsAndGBGVs AKC Breeder of Merit -Original Message- From: Mark Wintermute winterm...@earthlink.net To: blackbelly blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Mon, Apr 7, 2014 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Breeding Hi Tiana, We breed for late April and May lambings. The girls are willing to breed back as fast as two weeks but we do not allow it. We also have stopped breeding ewe lambs (less than 1 year old). We prefer to let our girls mature to lamb at two years of age. I know they are willing to have lambs at one year of age but we have lost to many moms and babies when the ewe is young. The late spring lambing allows the ewes to raise their lambs on pasture (provided it rains). We are aiming for twins and triplets once a year. Mark Wintermute -Original Message- Subject: [Blackbelly] Breeding I'm curious what is everyone's breeding schedule? Do you only breed once a year or do you try and get more lambing's from your ewes? (Lets assume your ewes condition is good) Just curious the pro's and con's to both ways. Thanks, Tiana ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Breeding
Our ewes are bagging up and look huge right now. May will be total chaos but then it will be over with until next year. We are down to nearly 100 ewes but are expecting a near 200% lambing. We will have several first time moms that will probably single or we would exceed 200%. I am not looking forward to all the tagging and record keeping... Mark -Original Message- From: blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info [mailto:blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info] On Behalf Of mtnrdgr...@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 8:06 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Breeding Mark, that's also how I plan to do mine. I have 5 lambs so far from 3 mothers. I have 3 yet to go, but none will be bred back until the fall for April/May lambs. Once a year and I don't plan to breed the lamb ewes until they are about a year and a half. This year I have 3 yearlings due to lamb and I really think they are too young to be having babies. I know there are arguments both ways but this is what I plan to do. Best Wishes, Jann Mountain Ridge Ranch and KayaKyi Kennels American Blackbelly Sheep Tibetan Mastiffs PBGVs and GBGVs mrr.mysite.com https://www.facebook.com/KayakyiPBGVsAndGBGVs AKC Breeder of Merit -Original Message- From: Mark Wintermute winterm...@earthlink.net To: blackbelly blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Mon, Apr 7, 2014 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Breeding Hi Tiana, We breed for late April and May lambings. The girls are willing to breed back as fast as two weeks but we do not allow it. We also have stopped breeding ewe lambs (less than 1 year old). We prefer to let our girls mature to lamb at two years of age. I know they are willing to have lambs at one year of age but we have lost to many moms and babies when the ewe is young. The late spring lambing allows the ewes to raise their lambs on pasture (provided it rains). We are aiming for twins and triplets once a year. Mark Wintermute -Original Message- Subject: [Blackbelly] Breeding I'm curious what is everyone's breeding schedule? Do you only breed once a year or do you try and get more lambing's from your ewes? (Lets assume your ewes condition is good) Just curious the pro's and con's to both ways. Thanks, Tiana ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3722/7314 - Release Date: 04/07/14 ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
