Question: I have a wether. He is out of my bb ram and his mom is a 1/2
bb and 1/2 wooly. He is the barn mascot but we have problems with him
have the runs a lot. He is wormed. Eats what the others get, etc. No
one else, including his mom or uncle have the runs. Has anyone come
upon this
Passion! VBG!
Sorry Carol, couldn't resist - BBSAI has a ripper of a newsletter! :o)
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Barb Lee
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Well, that little experiment didn't work. When I went out to feed the
little lounge lizards this morning, I discovered that I had totally
underestimated their throughput capabilities...there are as many sheepie
berries in the bedding as there are wood pellets after only one night!
Well, it
Oh my goodness Cecil, your story trumps anything I have to offer! :o)
I hope I never have to try out for the lambing olympics like that!
Barb
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About 20 head registered/registerable American Blackbellies. Rams,
ewes, lambs, wethers. Mostly young stock. All or nothing, $200.
Located in Oregon City, OR
Contact Barb, 503-631-2862 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Julie, go to the pharmacy and pick up a kid's Fleet enema for him. He
may just be a little clogged up.
Barb
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ram within the year, hopefully within a day or two's drive of Portland,
OR, and would love to share notes with others.
Thanks and best regards,
Barb Lee
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for producing
quality American Blackbelly lambs. She is a soft fawn color, totally
breed standards compliant, excellent hair coat, good bone, and correct
bite. She is in excellent health and all health management is up to
date. She is yours for $85. Will register. Contact Barb Lee, lee
To show off my mathematical prowess publicly! :o) The lamb ewe lamb
for sale gained avg. .36/day, which is .04 below our selection criteria.
Otherwise I think the statistics are correct! :o)
Thanks!
Barb, the mathematically challenged
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Living with horses predisposes my stock to tetanus. Having watched a
horse die of lockjaw, this is not a risk I will take.
This next bit got me heckled off another sheep list, but I'll take a
chance here. I went through a very difficult period with the sheep
which extensive research revealed
My vet told me that Covexin-8 is a real injection-site abcess maker, so
keep an eye out. We quit using it and just went with CD-T
Barb
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Sue,
Ted is sharpening the knife!! How come you're not hoppin' in there!
VBG! Just kidding! I still run and hide for the actual shot, but
after that, I was all over it.
Bob got me a special little skinning knife with a replaceable blade,
which I hope is sharpen-able. It certainly did an
Hi Terry,
Yes, it is a remote temperature controller. You stick a temperature
sensing bulb inside the fridge/freezer and plug the freezer into the
control unit which sits outside the freezer. It overrides the temp
controller in the freezer. I think it is designed for beer lovers who
convert
Glad to hear your freezer worked well for you. I have a question
though. We
have an older upright freezer that just wasn't keeping his 'animals'
that
needed to be mounted frozen enough. It would still cool but not keep
them
froze. Would that 'freezer tamer' gadget work in an upright
is selecting their
American Blackbelly breeding stock for all the desirable breed
characteristics as well as improving gains and creating greater
uniformity within their flocks. My e-address is lee@ ccwebster.net
(omit the space).
Regards,
Barb Lee
I got sort of heckled off the Shedders list for bringing up mineral
imbalances as causes for certain health problems. I got scoffed at
because I might be reading Pat Coleby's books on natural animal care.
Well, I do read Pat Coleby and she was the one who alerted me to the
lack of copper in
soil in balance, generally the specific weed problem will
take care of itself.
Regards,
Barb Lee
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We have a field
Last week, when we butchered our first lamb, I stupidly threw out all
that snow white visceral fat with the innards. However when cutting and
packaging, I got a brain and saved what was left. Rendered, it ended up
being 3 pounds of pure tallow - three pounds of grain, grass, hay and a
year's
Sue, Supplementing with copper is playing with dynamite and you HAVE to
know the copper status of your living animals before you attempt it.
Copper will accumulate in the liver undetected possibly for years, and
then suddenly wash into the bloodstream, killing the animals. Copper
deficiency
Waxing philosophical here, and not being contentious or argumentative.
The ability to produce more than one litter of lambs per year is one of
the priceless genetic gifts our blackbellies come equipped with. It is
necessary in some production models such as accelerated lambing and is
part of
I think it would probably mean death to earthworms and dung beetles too.
Maybe fly predators would be a solution worth considering.
Barb
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Julian, can you quote your source? How could DE cut up internal worms
and maggots, and not earthworms or dung beetle larvae? I am not
challenging you, I'd just like to read it from the source.
Thanks,
Barb
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Terry,
I had a ewe that frequently came in 3-legged lame. She was very prone
to hangnails - always breaking the hoof wall off above the sole. I
trimmed her and in a couple of days she went sound again. She did this
several times.
During wet times it is also not uncommon for my sheep to come
Was taking pics today and got a nice one of my upcoming young ram,
Blacklocust Dancer. I posted the pic at
http://www.picturetrail.com/gid6650228
The young ewe, Prancer, is his sister. (Yes, they were born close to
Christmas, as were Comet and Cupid!)
Regards,
Barb Lee
' diet.
Regards,
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Sheep require a range of 8-12 ppm copper in their diet. Dietary
molybdenum should be in the range of 6-10 ppm copper to 1 ppm moly.
Higher ratios of molybdenum bind with copper and make it unavailable to
the animal.
Our feed/forage is averaging about 3 ppm copper with a copper/moly ratio
Mark, your observation about browsers is astute, but I would apply a
slightly different logic. Some of the goat websites I've read are so
hysterical about cocci that they demand breeders remove all kids from
their mothers immediately they are born, and rear them artificially.
It's widely
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A friend of mine in Australia knows someone who finishes his lambs on
lavendar and says it's the finest lamb on the planet (don't we all). If
you want to ask him more, he'll be happy to talk to you I'm sure. Name
is Rob Johnson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tell him Barb Lee sent you.
Regards,
Barb
I have fairly substantial proof that parasites in my sheep are immune to
Ivomec. Have one group of animals with a fairly heavy parasite
challenge at the moment. Despite 2 oversized doses of Ivomec drench
within a week of each other, watched egg counts actually rise.
Have tried the Basic H
No, Chris, other than I have finally managed to identify the oocysts.
My vet didn't believe I could with home equipment, but you can, quite
readily, with a 400 power microscope. If the eye registers the
haemonchus egg at 1/4, the coccidia oocyst would register at about 16th
inch, so it is
Gotta tell ya, once you get set up to do them, home fecals have got to
be the world's cheapest entertainment! VBG!
I have just learned how to use the McMasters Slides, which I've owned
for two years. They make it S much easier, not to mention
considerably more scientific. I have been
of pleasant equilibrium. A few lambs due around the 22nd. That is
always something to look forward to.
Hope everyone's had a great summer.
Regards,
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This is a pretty specific skill, and of course his knives are as sharp
as surgical instruments.
Barb Lee
I have a couple of unusual questions today.
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Hi Everybody,
I got bold and decided to take a stab at building a little website for
our farm. I would like you all to visit! Please go to
http://www.blacklocustfarm.net
Thanks!
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is interested in pursuing it.
Oh, and there really IS a substantial draft horse and driving horse
equipment market, not just among the Amish. I imagine it would take
QUITE a lot of deer hair to stuff a 36 sweat pad.
Regards,
Barb Lee
erstwhile harnessmaker
Wow, that *is* a pretty specific skill... I'd have to see it done many
times before I'd be confident to try it. He could probably sell an
instructional video to homesteader types. I have a hard time
separating the skull from the spine when they're dead, let alone still
breathing. I
sword. I've been wanting to do this for some time. Believe
it would take lamb from several farms to be meaningful.
Thanks! Anyone else?
Regards,
Barb Lee
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lamb, which is
incredibly versatile! Sometimes we have part of it made into breakfast
or Italian sausage, and when we do more home butchering I plan to try
some sausage making. Can't get enough ground lamb!
Whatever you decide, you are in for a treat! :o)
Barb Lee
Here's one...
Vet came out to help a friend pull a backwards calf with the hind legs
sticking out. His comment was, Jeez, how fast was the little sucker
running when he hit her??
Barb L.
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fellow,
not nasty at all. He would be very nice for someone else's flock, but
for reasons that make perfect sense to me, I prefer to keep him, but I
can no longer use his genetics. If it would be too hard on him though,
I'll have to rethink my plan.
Thanks,
Barb Lee
I read in the newspaper yesterday that our noble government is about to
bless cloned meat and dairy for your dinner table. I don't know about
you, but the thought of it sent me spiraling into fits of nauseous
revulsion. You think NAIS is bad? Wait until all you get on your plate
is patented
http://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/cloning_petitionPR10.12.06.cfm
Barb L.
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parasite infestation.
Regards,
Barb Lee
Blacklocust Farm
Registered American Blackbelly Sheep
http://www.blacklocustfarm.net
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and the sheepies and horses will all get a shot
at some nice warm water twice a day.
Hope everyone's staying warm and dry. We are toppling rainfall records
here in W. Oregon.
Regards,
Barb Lee
Blacklocust Farm
American Blackbelly Sheep
http://www.blacklocustfarm.net
I did not get the original message. Cecil, is there any chance you
could send to me privately?
Thanks!
Barb Lee
After reading your posting, I can see why we've put this off so long!
Peg Haese in cold SW Wisconsin USA
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there will be
any advantage to aging a blackbelly lamb anyway. We butchered a
yearling wether last month and hung him overnight. Tastes marvellous.
Something to seriously think about.
Regards,
Barb Lee
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American Blackbelly Sheep
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I just had a mature ram surgically castrated. The vet said that though
it usually wasn't necessary, it wouldn't hurt for me to give him a long
acting antibiotic - LA-200 - at 5cc per hundred pounds. One shot only.
I offer that just as an alternative to daily antibiotics. Wish I'd had
the
during the growing
season - it should be able to help make decisions about when to
supplement the feed without just wasting money willy nilly. I am also
keen to see the results on veggies grown in a well mineralized garden
soil.
Regards,
Barb Lee
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Barb Lee;
How much did the Brix refractometer cost? If you don't mind my asking.
WOW!
This is something
Just picked up a tidbit from Stockman Grassfarmer magazine on animal
health, written by an organic vet. He says that it's been shown that in
dairy cows, a shot of selenium 3 days before freshening and on dry-off
day has a powerful antibacterial effect and helps ward off mastitis. A
shot of
such comparison I have been
able to make, and the statistics become a permanent part of each ewe's
record.
This is all very empowering when it comes to selecting breeding stock!
I am very excited to see what this year's crop will produce.
Regards,
Barb Lee
Blacklocust Farm American Blackbelly
Hi Mark,
Great stuff! You have had a lot more time to work on these issues than
me, and what you relate makes me believe my goals are reasonable and
achievable.
And your experience with ram lambs mirrors my own, too; that they can be
everything you want rolled into one little package at
report for duty!
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Mark,
This is purely conversational, so don't think
that technique with the next
bunch of lambs.
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I am cautious about making judgments on breeding stock at 120 days
using
ADG. Some lamb operations are feeding 3 pounds of corn per lamb per
day to
achieve their ADG. The hay is fed out just enough to keep the lamb
from
scouring. I feed grain as a supplement to the hay, not the other
and
water it takes to keep the ewes fat and thriving. Now, add that
thriftiness to a ewe that's weaning 70-80 pounds of lamb at 8 weeks and
you have the ideal small ruminant for the small grass based farm.
Best regards,
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Does anyone ever see a change in the amount of winter wool a blackbelly
will put on as it matures?
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near your animals at slaughter time, if
it is at all possible to avoid it.
I have a couple of other things to share, but this has rambled on long
enough.
Regards,
Barb Lee
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Registered American Blackbelly Sheep
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By
happy mischance (long story), I ended up finding an elderly Mexican
gentleman who happens to work part time at the local butcher shop. He
is happy to come on-farm to do the slaughter and charges $15 for
kill, skin, and dress.
This was basically the method used for the hands on harvest,
I sure appreciate the replies on handling rams. And ALSO the info on
disbudding lambs! Uck uck uck! Those little horns can be a nuisance,
but there will be no smoking little noses around here! :o(
I guess what I was after when I asked about handling rams, was
information about some sort of
A multi-tasking guard donkey!
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I don't think I've seen clostridium - overeaters disease mentioned.
My apologies if I missed something. Kills the biggest and best lambs
quickly and apparently without a lot of symptoms. Good luck to you.
I've screamed into my pillow many times over the mysterious loss of
sheep, but this
I first ran across this item in an article by a holistic DVM in Stockman
Grass Farmer magazine. It was an excellent series of articles on the
importance of minerals. He said he couldn't create a holistic herd
health program without a product such as this.
That's a pretty broad statement, but
I have to wonder if you really can't OD sheep on DE (still smarting from
my surprise lesson about clay!!) Lot of silica in DE, no? Talking to
the guy at the lab where I send my forage samples...he told me that he
was testing some Central Oregon hay that was suspected of killing some
I've been giving my two rams DE on their grain ration in the amount of
1/2 teaspoon each per day now for four days. I have no idea how much
others feed. The boys each get about one cup per day of COB with
molasses, and the 1/2 teaspoon is more than enough to powder-coat their
ration.
At the
Well, day five on DE at 1/2 tsp each per day, and the EPGs were 400-550.
I'm sorry to say that I can't see any detectable result from feeding
that amount; perhaps I need to feed more? Half a teaspoon is a lot of
dust, and while I realize that the DE doesn't create a chemical
reaction, I worry
Hi Folks,
Would like to invite you to visit our recently updated website (address
below) - mostly the What's New page.
Thanks!
Barb
Blacklocust Farm
Registered American Blackbelly Sheep
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Anybody within hailing distance of Oregon City OR want a free ewe? Two
years old, small, sheds late but completely, had a nice big (first) lamb
last year that was very tasty, but fat for a blackbelly, and missed
breeding this year (definitely not her fault).
Barb Lee
Thanks Mark,
I do know of some blackbelly flocks that lamb seasonally, despite
running with the ram year round. I was thinking that if a person was in
the midst of a personal breed improvement program (such as myself), that
some effort would want to be made to deliberately breed out of season
Mark,
Western Oregon is a very temperate climate...we may get one or two days
above 90 by July, and from what I've read, 90 degrees is where the fetus
really starts suffering heat stress. I'll confess we had a bizarre
lambing season this year, but I don't think it had anything to do with
the
Did I ever get a surprise today! I didn't exactly plan it this way, but
I knew that my 12 month old ewe lamb was preparing to give birth. Last
night I locked her little mob up near the barn. This morning we awoke
to a howling gale. I went down to feed the sheep and horses and
everything
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So we have this ridiculously long, drawn out lambing that should have
ended in mid-August, right
Woo hoo! Gonna have us some Jamaican Jerked Leg o' Blackbelly ala BBSAI
Lamb Lover's Cookbook, some dirty rice, a tropical fruit salad, and
maybe a mud pie for dessert, and what rum doesn't go in the lamb
marinade will...uh...be poured down the drain??? :o)
Barb L.
AM beginning to smell some possibilities with the high level of
activity in a certain breed assn lately! :o)
Barb Lee
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As for our dinner...Sally and Bob Gibson invited us over for the
traditional
turkey do!! We all went to the NW Circuit Finals Rodeo yesterday and
had a nice afternoon.
You're having turkey do for thanksgiving dinner? LOL! I'll pass!
No, we're not actually celebrating thanksgiving,
. I'm not thinking of one or two outstanding
individuals, but tendencies of any flock to produce large litters of
lambs. I'd also be curious for curiosity's sake, whether folks are
going out of their way to produce triplets +
Thanks,
Barb Lee
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Do folks out there generally feel that blackbellies fall into the
prolific category, with such breeds as Finnsheep? That would mean
producing
Hi Cecil,
Yes, I can see where excess body fat in a pregnant blackbelly would be a
big problem, because most of the fat is in the body cavity. I know I've
belabored my situation here, but our grass is just not (yet) strong
enough for anything but maintenance at any time of year, so I'm
The rams reported in this morning with five H. Contortus eggs, 250 eggs
per gram. That is negligible. They are getting 1/2 tsp DE per day
(that's actually a lot of dust on a small grain ration), and were moved
to a paddock that had been rested for 30 days. Could be also, that the
worms are
for it!!!
Terry W
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The rams reported in this morning with five H. Contortus
eggs, 250 eggs
per gram. That is negligible. They are getting 1/2 tsp
DE per day
(that's actually a lot of dust on a small grain ration),
and were moved
to a paddock that had
what he
uses for that-- he also does everything as naturally as
possible. HAs some pretty nice looking animals to show for
it, too.
Terry W
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I AM getting a positive on cocci in the lambs though and
I haven't seen
much here on alternative cocci control
Hi Terry,
Great stuff. The biggest problem with cocci for me at the moment is
right inside the barn. Add to that, the need to keep the sheep off the
pasture and in sacrifice areas for just the part of the year that
favors cocci (in my particular program). Even though the paddock the
lambs
Thanks Dayna, Hopefully something a little less expensive is available.
I am holding off until the Basic H comes...the lambs are not clinical
and may be getting enough nutrition to be able to deal with the cocci
without treatment, since they should be developing an immunity by this
time.
Barb
Thank you for those links, Terry, especially the second one.
Barb
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to the freshly rested paddock on
12/1.
It will be very hard to get them consistently less wormy than they are
right now. Will keep you all posted.
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Well, huh...
The cocci count in the lambs has crashed to nearly zip. Three weeks ago
I checked and the lambs were pretty heavily peppered with cocci oocysts,
but nobody was clinical (diarrhea). I did a five-day Corid treatment
which dropped the count to almost zero. Then about a week ago,
Well, I'm probably not as smart as I thought I was (surprise surprise!)
LOL! Reading up on a good cocci article showed me that essentially, the
lambs actually were clinical, they just handled it without scouring.
In some cases, apparently the animal does not start to shed oocysts
until 5-7
to do is convince them that BP is an
Edible Substance.
Corn gluten meal and distiller's dry grains are non-starch energy
supplements. I just don't know how available they are. Guess I'll have
to start checking the feed mills.
Barb Lee
In snowy Western Oregon where the paper is predicting
Well Tracy! If you can get those little prima donnas to eat soaked beet
pulp, so can I! LOL!
I've made up a worksheet for this ration balancing act - even got
through the calcium/phosphorus ratio! And it's just awful...If I were
to go by the book I'd be feeding these little monkeys over
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. I also would not
consider offering that much grain to hair sheep. In
I know you're all thinking I'm a complete nutcase over this ration
balancing thing. I think I can vindicate myself.
First of all, I have made many grevious errors in ration calculations in
the past, primarily from giving too much credit to my pasture's ability
to grow sheep. The place is
their digestion is different.) we should be able
to fashion our breed into an excellent breed for the burgeoning grassfed
market.
Regards,
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that
were
bedded down in the straw I put under a low shelter. I just left it
there did not want to disturb them. It was fine this morning.
Cecil in OKla
Barb Lee wrote:
Now that I've got all smart (haha!) and learned how to balance
rations,
I've been making some interesting
Oh, now here's an interesting tidbit harvested from this month's
Stockman Grass Farmer...Get some litmus paper for your medicine chest.
Rumen pH should be between 6.4 and 7.0. Fresh manure has the same pH as
the rumen. So if your sheep seems sick, you can press the litmus paper
into some
energy. It is taking some
effort to get the lambs to accept B.P. Once they're consuming it
readily, I'll give it about 30 days, then we have a runt we'll butcher
and give it the taste test. Something tells me we're definitely on the
fast track to 100% grassfed now.
Regards,
Barb Lee
Blacklocust
average about 45 lb. with a .35 pound average daily gain from
birth, .05 less than the minimum I would like to see. Some are over,
some are under. There are nine lambs.
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if you feed grain - they will stop
eating hay and wait for the grain and not eat hay
until they are really hungry - they gap in eating hay
changes the rumen - it all makes sense to me.
Nate
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Could be I'm just seeing things, but the lambs are
cleaning up
it will have to sustain the sheep the majority of the year
without purchased feeds.
Maybe I am way behind the learning curve here, but if nothing else, this
is keeping me humble.
Regards,
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The lambs are beginning to accept beet pulp. I will have shredded
B/P
on Wednesday (my sheep show a marked
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