Re: [Blackbelly] Need help with identifying a ewe
Let's make sure we are using the correct breed names, especially when trying to help someone not familiar with either breed. Barbados Blackbelly are polled (neither ram nor ewe has horns). They are not called barbado or anything other than Barbados Blackbelly. There are fewer than 500 of these sheep in the U.S. The registry for Barbados Blackbelly is closed, meaning that only sheep whose parents are registered can be registered themselves. This helps ensure that crossbreeds don't slip into the common gene pool. American Blackbelly rams have horns, and often the ewes have horns or scurs. They should not be called barbado, but they often are in Texas because it is a common nickname. American Blackbelly breeders have worked hard to develop their breed so that it consistently and predictably reproduces true to type. White, other than in the tip of the tail, is a disqualifying trait. Barbado is not a breed. Barbado sheep meet no breed standard. They often do not have black bellies or facial barbs. They often are cross-bred sheep and may display various degrees of wooliness and off-type markings, but generally are a hair sheep. Carol At 07:16 PM 9/25/2011, you wrote: Definitely Barbado or American Blackbelly- mix with something else. My AB girls mostly have horn scurs, I would think a true barbado would not. Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Need help with identifying a ewe
Hi Natasha, Couldn't open the link, any chance you could send some pics? I'm always curious and usually pretty good about determining the genetics in Blackbellies and Barbados and their crosses. Thanks, Ray --- On Sun, 9/25/11, Natasha Lovell rubystargo...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Natasha Lovell rubystargo...@yahoo.com Subject: [Blackbelly] Need help with identifying a ewe To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Date: Sunday, September 25, 2011, 1:16 PM I was called about rehoming a sheep recently (I have dairy goats, and I'm the local petting zoo goat supplier livestock expert). I went to visit the animal, and she had some intriguing characteristics. ..which prompted a search online and an inquiry to my goat Yahoo groups about her ancestry, with suggestions of Jacob, katahdin, St. Croix or Barbados Blackbelly crosses or Soay. The Soay people says she has no Soay breeding, but definately looks like she's at least 1/2 Barbados. Pictures: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2153859638484.2108237.1006225420 She is about the size of a pygmy goat, with a long tail (bushy on the end), a wiry overcoat and wool undercoat (has been clipped sometime after July, grown back to ~1-2). Four teats (two are likely non functional). She has two horn stubs (or polled? I'm not familiar with sheep heads), and a dished, very dainty face (and legs). Her coloring reminds me of the Barbados Blackbelly, with white patches. A vet suggested her age to be less than 3-4yrs; I'm pretty sure she's a 2011 lamb, due to general appearance and hoof growth. She is tame, and seems to have been well handled previously, as she responds well to a head rub. She was purchased from the Enumclaw Sales Pavilion in July from a group of goat-like sheep including a white/cream ram. Her only tag is from the sale barn. I was hoping, since she appears to be a rare/minor breed or cross, that I might be able to trace her origin. If anyone knows her breed(s), approximate age or maybe even a place of origin, I would be delighted to know. I will be bringing her home, if her CL and Johnnes tests are Neg, in Oct. If the FB link won't work for you, I can send the pictures upon request. Thanks! Natasha Lovell Rubystar Nubian Guernsey dairy goats ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Need help with identifying a ewe
first off: hair sheep. so only a few breeds could be in the mix. Definitely Barbado or American Blackbelly- mix with something else. My AB girls mostly have horn scurs, I would think a true barbado would not. On the west coast, the most popular hair-sheep mixes with ABs are Painted Desert, and then plenty of ABs show up with some wool, and are mixed with wool sheep as well. here's an example of some lambs I believe are both mixed with Painted Desert and a bit of wool. The two white lambs are what I am talking about here, but you can see the parents, who are probably half and half. https://picasaweb.google.com/105444895914121009228/NikkiS_Sheep827081028AM The Painted Desert can be responsible for the white splotches in places they would not belong on a normal AB. I bought the female lamb, and she grows an extra- thick layer of very white and curly hair for winter. All my other more barbie looking sheep have thinner, and more cream-colored winter wool. these are three of my most barbie-looking ABs I got from one ranch, Great markings. https://picasaweb.google.com/105444895914121009228/New_Barbados10308857PM#5284927325580751586 -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies Sent from my iPad On Sep 25, 2011, at 1:16 PM, Natasha Lovell rubystargo...@yahoo.com wrote: I was called about rehoming a sheep recently (I have dairy goats, and I'm the local petting zoo goat supplier livestock expert). I went to visit the animal, and she had some intriguing characteristics. ..which prompted a search online and an inquiry to my goat Yahoo groups about her ancestry, with suggestions of Jacob, katahdin, St. Croix or Barbados Blackbelly crosses or Soay. The Soay people says she has no Soay breeding, but definately looks like she's at least 1/2 Barbados. Pictures: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2153859638484.2108237.1006225420 She is about the size of a pygmy goat, with a long tail (bushy on the end), a wiry overcoat and wool undercoat (has been clipped sometime after July, grown back to ~1-2). Four teats (two are likely non functional). She has two horn stubs (or polled? I'm not familiar with sheep heads), and a dished, very dainty face (and legs). Her coloring reminds me of the Barbados Blackbelly, with white patches. A vet suggested her age to be less than 3-4yrs; I'm pretty sure she's a 2011 lamb, due to general appearance and hoof growth. She is tame, and seems to have been well handled previously, as she responds well to a head rub. She was purchased from the Enumclaw Sales Pavilion in July from a group of goat-like sheep including a white/cream ram. Her only tag is from the sale barn. I was hoping, since she appears to be a rare/minor breed or cross, that I might be able to trace her origin. If anyone knows her breed(s), approximate age or maybe even a place of origin, I would be delighted to know. I will be bringing her home, if her CL and Johnnes tests are Neg, in Oct. If the FB link won't work for you, I can send the pictures upon request. Thanks! Natasha Lovell Rubystar Nubian Guernsey dairy goats ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
