Re: [Blackbelly] Help
I agree, if you are feeding the recommended amount on the replacer bag, it is about twice as much as Blackbellies need. If using milk replacer, only use Land o Lakes or Merrick. Dumore has beef fat to make the fat test and it is not digestible. The lamb will grow until about 9 months then die from a small heart. I would use whole milk from the grocery store or a local dairy if you cannot get Merrick or Land o Lakes. Livestock concepts has Merrick. Cecil in OKla On 3/1/2016 9:13 AM, Michael Smith wrote: Lee Ann. One question. How often are you feeding them? And are you feeding them at night as well? I'm not very experienced raising lambs but I've had a few rounds of bottle babies, and they always had diarrhea because I was told by a local breeder that I could just stuff them full of formula a few times a day and not feed them at night. So I did. Soon as I started feeding them less per meal and more meals...and during the night... the diarrhea went away. -MIchael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies Sent from my iPad On Mar 1, 2016, at 6:47 AM, Elizabeth Radi <lizr...@skybeam.com> wrote: what are you using for formula? If the scours are a greenish tinge, have them checked for coccidiosis. I don't buy the powdered formula. If you alter the formula ratio to water, you change the osmolality of the milk and could lead to scours. I fed mine whole milk from the grocery store. They did great on that. No mixing worries either. Just my experience from the University of life. Liz Radi Nubian goats Nunn, Colorado --- evarojoe...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Lee Ann <evarojoe...@yahoo.com> To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] Help Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 10:29:05 -0800 My two bummers have the scours, I have tried electrolytes and probiotics, and also watered down the formula? They are 13 days old? Sent from my iPad ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Help
Lee Ann. One question. How often are you feeding them? And are you feeding them at night as well? I'm not very experienced raising lambs but I've had a few rounds of bottle babies, and they always had diarrhea because I was told by a local breeder that I could just stuff them full of formula a few times a day and not feed them at night. So I did. Soon as I started feeding them less per meal and more meals...and during the night... the diarrhea went away. -MIchael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies Sent from my iPad > On Mar 1, 2016, at 6:47 AM, Elizabeth Radi <lizr...@skybeam.com> wrote: > > what are you using for formula? > If the scours are a greenish tinge, have them checked for coccidiosis. > I don't buy the powdered formula. If you alter the formula ratio to water, > you change the osmolality of the milk and could lead to scours. I fed mine > whole milk from the grocery store. They did great on that. No mixing worries > either. Just my experience from the University of life. > > Liz Radi > Nubian goats > Nunn, Colorado > > > --- evarojoe...@yahoo.com wrote: > > From: Lee Ann <evarojoe...@yahoo.com> > To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info > Subject: [Blackbelly] Help > Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 10:29:05 -0800 > > My two bummers have the scours, I have tried electrolytes and probiotics, and > also watered down the formula? They are 13 days old? > > Sent from my iPad > ___ > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info > > ___ > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Help
what are you using for formula? If the scours are a greenish tinge, have them checked for coccidiosis. I don't buy the powdered formula. If you alter the formula ratio to water, you change the osmolality of the milk and could lead to scours. I fed mine whole milk from the grocery store. They did great on that. No mixing worries either. Just my experience from the University of life. Liz Radi Nubian goats Nunn, Colorado --- evarojoe...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Lee Ann <evarojoe...@yahoo.com> To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] Help Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 10:29:05 -0800 My two bummers have the scours, I have tried electrolytes and probiotics, and also watered down the formula? They are 13 days old? Sent from my iPad ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Help
My two bummers have the scours, I have tried electrolytes and probiotics, and also watered down the formula? They are 13 days old? Sent from my iPad ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Help TETANUS????
He died! It did not present symptoms of selenium deficiency. We are very high in selenium in this area. The wate wells have been shut in due to selenium. This was one of the prettiest and largest lambs for his age I have ever had. I feed pellets for the nursing ewes as we are now in a drought and have had no wheat pasture for the last 30 days. Now we are in one of the worst winters, if the weatherman is right about what is coming. I have lost only one lamb this season and I think it was butted. This lamb appears to have eaten enough of the pellets to create enterotoxemia or tetanus. Most of the symptoms are tetanus. I did not get them vaccinated this year as I now need help to work with my animals. I cannot walk on my right ankle due to some nerve problems. My back also will not allow me to stand longer than 30 minutes. It appears all of these problems are due to the stress of caring for my invalid father who died in August 2010. I lost 30 acres of oats (that would have made 4 bales to the acre) this year to a hailstorm. The 160 acres I rented only produced 65 bales of oat hay due to a genetic problem with the seed. It was sprayed and fertilized and after cutting the oats, the Johnson grass gew up and made 350 bales of good hay, but no one wants to buy Johnson grass hay. Last year I sold 250 bales to a local horse arena/training facility. But after cutting their pasture and baling their 20 acres and losing $1000 on repair parts due to junk in the field, they decided to buy hay from a neighbor. My regular 30 acres of wheat/ryegrass pasture gave out last month since we have not had any measureable precipitation since August 2010. The oat hay I baled and they are now eating has a lot of grain as the oat plants headed out at only 9 inches of height. So, there is not a lot of straw mostly leaves and grain. It is so tender that the 1 week old lambs are eating it. It is great they are learning to eat so early, but it also presents problems with tetanus. This has been one hell of a year. I now see why the original settler of this farm started teaching school job 2 years after the run of 89. This is one of the worst farms areas in OKlahoma. The farmland has been worn out, it is red clay that requires more fertilizer than you can imagine to produce. It was rented out for 20 years to a farmer who was not very interested in peserving the land. The land is one of the highest points in Canadian county, there is nothing to block the constant wind. It should be a good area for a wind generator, but the wind energy companies were ran out by the developers. Due to the development and the need for more schools, etc, the taxes went from $500/yr to $3500/yr in the last 8 years I hope no one thinks I am complaining, just saying how much of a challenge it is to farm in Central OKlahoma. My paternal Grandfather traveled through this land as a traveling Wesleyan minister. He said this land should have never been broken out of the native grass. I would have to agree, when we applied 1 ton of chicken litter to the acre on the pasture, we had native Bluestem grass that grew to 6 ft in height. It made excellent hay.. livestock will thrive on the pasture.. I retired to this land to farm and raise my sheep, but to make a living from this land, I have to develop it. Which means I have to move somewhere and start over. Thanks to you all for your help. Cecil in OKla - Original Message - From: The Wintermutes winterm...@earthlink.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Help TETANUS Hi Cecil, How old is your lamb? If he is beyond 30 days old he might have eaten too much of the pellets. I have never had a problem with oat hay and oats. I have had a lamb that grew so fast he became deficient in selenium/vitamin E. He was the biggest prettiest lamb out of 100+ lambs. He could not walk and was bloated from laying down on his side. We gave him a BO-SE injection and he was back to normal in 24 hours. We did a repeat shot of BO-SE to be safe 30 days later. This lamb turned out to be one incredible sire. I know you have had a bad experience with BO-SE before but it does not sound like you have much to lose to try it this time. You are already giving anti-biotics, surfactants, and electrolytes. The only other suggestion I have is to keep the lamb upright. You might want to make a sling and hang him next to a wall so his feet are beneath him proper. Or just fold his legs (if they will bend) under him and put him up against a wall. Just do not let him lie on his side. I am assuming the lamb is not plugged up. Make sure there is no blockage requiring an enema. Hope he makes it Cecil. I know you have skills but not all of them live. Good luck, Mark Wintermute It appears to be tetanus /enterotoxemia. any opinions would be welcome Cecil
Re: [Blackbelly] Help TETANUS????
Hi Cecil, How old is your lamb? If he is beyond 30 days old he might have eaten too much of the pellets. I have never had a problem with oat hay and oats. I have had a lamb that grew so fast he became deficient in selenium/vitamin E. He was the biggest prettiest lamb out of 100+ lambs. He could not walk and was bloated from laying down on his side. We gave him a BO-SE injection and he was back to normal in 24 hours. We did a repeat shot of BO-SE to be safe 30 days later. This lamb turned out to be one incredible sire. I know you have had a bad experience with BO-SE before but it does not sound like you have much to lose to try it this time. You are already giving anti-biotics, surfactants, and electrolytes. The only other suggestion I have is to keep the lamb upright. You might want to make a sling and hang him next to a wall so his feet are beneath him proper. Or just fold his legs (if they will bend) under him and put him up against a wall. Just do not let him lie on his side. I am assuming the lamb is not plugged up. Make sure there is no blockage requiring an enema. Hope he makes it Cecil. I know you have skills but not all of them live. Good luck, Mark Wintermute It appears to be tetanus /enterotoxemia. any opinions would be welcome Cecil in OKla === Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16530) http://www.pctools.com/ === ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Help: Need info on bottle feeding
Tom Quinn wrote: I worked on the ewe for a couple of hours, and got nothing. She has no bag at all. It sounded like she was letting down milk, but nothing. That and the fact that she was butting the lambs away, led us to decide to get them warm and try to bottle feed tonight. These little guys dont weigh much more than one pound each. I will just have to see if we get them through the night, then brew up some colostrum replacer, and see if we can get anything from the ewe. - Original Message From: Carol Elkins celk...@critterhaven.biz To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 10:10:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Help: Need info on bottle feeding Tom, do everything you possibly can to milk colostrum from the ewe. Put her in a stanchion to hold her still. You may not get a lot, but every bit is important. Measure what you do get and divide it into two parts, one for each lamb. Do this as often as you can to get as much colostrum as you can from her. If she has any milk in her bag, you might try letting the lambs nurse. I stanchioned a ewe three times a day for 3 weeks and she finally accepted the lamb. (I bottle fed him to supplement what he was getting from the ewe.) Read the article I wrote about Raising Bummer Lambs on a Bottle at http://critterhaven.biz/info/articles/bummer_lamb.htm It contains a recipe for a newborn milk formula to use if you have no colostrum. It also provides a schedule and a formula for feeding amounts. Cecil will caution you to not feed as much as the article recommends per feeding and I agree; but it is a place to start. Carol At 09:58 PM 8/2/2010, you wrote: I dont have any colostrum. All of this happened after the feed stores were closed. I can probably find some tomowrrow-- or is that too late? Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info Sounds like they were premature. You can wrap them in a towel, get a baby diaper and cut a hole for the tail. Keep them next to you when you go to bed. They need to hear a heartbeat nearby, they have been next to one for 5 months... Find some colostrum replacer asap. Be sparing on the feeding, they will tell you when they are hungry. If they are peeing about every 1-2 hours they are getting enough. The first 24 ours is when they hydrate and expand. Remember they can aspirate easily so keep their heads up. and do not let them lay on their side. Cecil in OKla ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Help: Need info on bottle feeding
I agree with Cecil. I normally sleep with my new babies for the first night or 2. I didn't realize they were so small when I told you about the feeding amounts. On ones this small I feel lucky when I get a half ounce down them every 2 hours at first. I use a pet nurser bottle and the longest nipple but cut it back to about an inch long maybe shorter. It just depends on the baby. Please let us know how they are dong. Nancy - Original Message - From: Cecil Bearden crbear...@copper.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 06:12 Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Help: Need info on bottle feeding Tom Quinn wrote: I worked on the ewe for a couple of hours, and got nothing. She has no bag at all. It sounded like she was letting down milk, but nothing. That and the fact that she was butting the lambs away, led us to decide to get them warm and try to bottle feed tonight. These little guys dont weigh much more than one pound each. I will just have to see if we get them through the night, then brew up some colostrum replacer, and see if we can get anything from the ewe. - Original Message From: Carol Elkins celk...@critterhaven.biz To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 10:10:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Help: Need info on bottle feeding Tom, do everything you possibly can to milk colostrum from the ewe. Put her in a stanchion to hold her still. You may not get a lot, but every bit is important. Measure what you do get and divide it into two parts, one for each lamb. Do this as often as you can to get as much colostrum as you can from her. If she has any milk in her bag, you might try letting the lambs nurse. I stanchioned a ewe three times a day for 3 weeks and she finally accepted the lamb. (I bottle fed him to supplement what he was getting from the ewe.) Read the article I wrote about Raising Bummer Lambs on a Bottle at http://critterhaven.biz/info/articles/bummer_lamb.htm It contains a recipe for a newborn milk formula to use if you have no colostrum. It also provides a schedule and a formula for feeding amounts. Cecil will caution you to not feed as much as the article recommends per feeding and I agree; but it is a place to start. Carol At 09:58 PM 8/2/2010, you wrote: I dont have any colostrum. All of this happened after the feed stores were closed. I can probably find some tomowrrow-- or is that too late? Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info Sounds like they were premature. You can wrap them in a towel, get a baby diaper and cut a hole for the tail. Keep them next to you when you go to bed. They need to hear a heartbeat nearby, they have been next to one for 5 months... Find some colostrum replacer asap. Be sparing on the feeding, they will tell you when they are hungry. If they are peeing about every 1-2 hours they are getting enough. The first 24 ours is when they hydrate and expand. Remember they can aspirate easily so keep their heads up. and do not let them lay on their side. Cecil in OKla ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Help: Need info on bottle feeding
Hi All One of our young ewes just had twins. She is not accepting them and seems to have no milk I just cleaned them up and bottle fed them once with Advance all species formula--thats all I could find right now. I need suggestions bad! How often to feed? How much per feeding? How long? This is our first crop of lambs Thanks Tom Quinn ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Help: Need info on bottle feeding
If you can get the ewe to hang in a VERY small pen with the babies, I bet, within a few hours, she will start feeding them. http://web.me.com/mwsmith100/spring_2010/Angie.html But watch to see if she's being violent, and kicking them. _Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies. On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Tom Quinn cars1...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi All One of our young ewes just had twins. She is not accepting them and seems to have no milk I just cleaned them up and bottle fed them once with Advance all species formula--thats all I could find right now. I need suggestions bad! How often to feed? How much per feeding? How long? This is our first crop of lambs Thanks Tom Quinn ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Help: Need info on bottle feeding
Michael I put the 3 of them in a really small pen, but she was butting the lambs out of the way, and it was getting dark. I will keep them in the house tonight, and try again in the morning -Original Message- From: blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info [mailto:blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info]on Behalf Of Michael Smith Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:47 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Help: Need info on bottle feeding If you can get the ewe to hang in a VERY small pen with the babies, I bet, within a few hours, she will start feeding them. http://web.me.com/mwsmith100/spring_2010/Angie.html But watch to see if she's being violent, and kicking them. _Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies. On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Tom Quinn cars1...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi All One of our young ewes just had twins. She is not accepting them and seems to have no milk I just cleaned them up and bottle fed them once with Advance all species formula--thats all I could find right now. I need suggestions bad! How often to feed? How much per feeding? How long? This is our first crop of lambs Thanks Tom Quinn ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Help: Need info on bottle feeding
I dont have any colostrum. All of this happened after the feed stores were closed. I can probably find some tomowrrow-- or is that too late? -Original Message- From: blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info [mailto:blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info]on Behalf Of Nancy Tom Richardson Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:47 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Help: Need info on bottle feeding They need colostrum or they won't make it. Mana Pro makes a multi species one. But that may be what you fed if so that is great. I feed about 2 ounces if they will take it every 2 hours for the first 12 then more if they will take it and 4 every 4 hours for the next 12 if they will take that much. Some take more first then slack off. They will usually fall into a deep sleep after the first couple of feedings and you will think they are dead almost but when their bellies are really full they sleep sound. If the ewe is butting them now she will not take them from my experience. She will just end up hurting them. Good luck. I raised over 30 babies this spring not all from birth but alot of them we raise several kinds of sheep and I sell alot of bottle babies. Make sure you cuddle them and talk and stroke them this seems to stimulate them and make them excited to feed . also wipe their little bottoms with a damp cloth this imitates mom cleaning and helps them pass the black poo etc Nancy - Original Message - From: Tom Quinn cars1...@yahoo.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 22:27 Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Help: Need info on bottle feeding Michael I put the 3 of them in a really small pen, but she was butting the lambs out of the way, and it was getting dark. I will keep them in the house tonight, and try again in the morning -Original Message- From: blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info [mailto:blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info]on Behalf Of Michael Smith Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:47 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Help: Need info on bottle feeding If you can get the ewe to hang in a VERY small pen with the babies, I bet, within a few hours, she will start feeding them. http://web.me.com/mwsmith100/spring_2010/Angie.html But watch to see if she's being violent, and kicking them. _Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies. On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Tom Quinn cars1...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi All One of our young ewes just had twins. She is not accepting them and seems to have no milk I just cleaned them up and bottle fed them once with Advance all species formula--thats all I could find right now. I need suggestions bad! How often to feed? How much per feeding? How long? This is our first crop of lambs Thanks Tom Quinn ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Help: Need info on bottle feeding
Tom, do everything you possibly can to milk colostrum from the ewe. Put her in a stanchion to hold her still. You may not get a lot, but every bit is important. Measure what you do get and divide it into two parts, one for each lamb. Do this as often as you can to get as much colostrum as you can from her. If she has any milk in her bag, you might try letting the lambs nurse. I stanchioned a ewe three times a day for 3 weeks and she finally accepted the lamb. (I bottle fed him to supplement what he was getting from the ewe.) Read the article I wrote about Raising Bummer Lambs on a Bottle at http://critterhaven.biz/info/articles/bummer_lamb.htm It contains a recipe for a newborn milk formula to use if you have no colostrum. It also provides a schedule and a formula for feeding amounts. Cecil will caution you to not feed as much as the article recommends per feeding and I agree; but it is a place to start. Carol At 09:58 PM 8/2/2010, you wrote: I dont have any colostrum. All of this happened after the feed stores were closed. I can probably find some tomowrrow-- or is that too late? Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Help: Need info on bottle feeding
Tom, also those teets are small, and you may want to try this, for milking, if you have a larger syringe around. http://www.tvsp.org/sheep_milker.html don't forget to bump upwards on the bag a few times to get it to let down, before you try this. _MWS On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Carol Elkins celk...@critterhaven.biz wrote: Tom, do everything you possibly can to milk colostrum from the ewe. Put her in a stanchion to hold her still. You may not get a lot, but every bit is important. Measure what you do get and divide it into two parts, one for each lamb. Do this as often as you can to get as much colostrum as you can from her. If she has any milk in her bag, you might try letting the lambs nurse. I stanchioned a ewe three times a day for 3 weeks and she finally accepted the lamb. (I bottle fed him to supplement what he was getting from the ewe.) Read the article I wrote about Raising Bummer Lambs on a Bottle at http://critterhaven.biz/info/articles/bummer_lamb.htm It contains a recipe for a newborn milk formula to use if you have no colostrum. It also provides a schedule and a formula for feeding amounts. Cecil will caution you to not feed as much as the article recommends per feeding and I agree; but it is a place to start. Carol At 09:58 PM 8/2/2010, you wrote: I dont have any colostrum. All of this happened after the feed stores were closed. I can probably find some tomowrrow-- or is that too late? Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Help: Need info on bottle feeding
Tom, are you sure she does not have any milk? We had a ewe that bagged up, had her twins but would not let them nurse. IT turns out it must have hurt her when the lambs tried to nurse to the point she would walk away. What I did is hold her against the wall in the jug while helping the lambs to nurse every two hours around the clock. She finally started letting the lambs nurse willingly after two days. My suggestion would be don't give up on getting them to nurse untill you are sure she has no milk. If she bagged up my guess is she has milk. As far as quantities for bottle feeding there is a ton of info if you Google bottle feeding lambs. I am not a real experianced shepherd but all the research I did when we were going through our ordeal I formed the opinion that if a ewe did not violently reject a Lamb chances are she could let them nurse if she has the milk. Dave Tom Quinn cars1...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi All One of our young ewes just had twins. She is not accepting them and seems to have no milk I just cleaned them up and bottle fed them once with Advance all species formula--thats all I could find right now. I need suggestions bad! How often to feed? How much per feeding? How long? This is our first crop of lambs Thanks Tom Quinn ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Help: Need info on bottle feeding
20 to 30 cc will be fine per feeding and I would only do this for about every 4 hours. As Carol said you can overfeed. Pay close attention as to how tight the belly is. If you will tie her head where she cannot butt the lambs and let them try to suck, it may work. It will take 3 days. Be sure you have the right ewe. I know this sounds funny but it happens. make sure she is butting both. If not you may have another ewe that has lambed. The stomach accepts colustrum for 24 hours. I have used old mentholatum on the ewe's nose and down the backs of the lambs and it confuses mama into thinking they smell like her. Cecil in OKla - Original Message - From: Michael Smith mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Help: Need info on bottle feeding Tom, also those teets are small, and you may want to try this, for milking, if you have a larger syringe around. http://www.tvsp.org/sheep_milker.html don't forget to bump upwards on the bag a few times to get it to let down, before you try this. _MWS On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Carol Elkins celk...@critterhaven.biz wrote: Tom, do everything you possibly can to milk colostrum from the ewe. Put her in a stanchion to hold her still. You may not get a lot, but every bit is important. Measure what you do get and divide it into two parts, one for each lamb. Do this as often as you can to get as much colostrum as you can from her. If she has any milk in her bag, you might try letting the lambs nurse. I stanchioned a ewe three times a day for 3 weeks and she finally accepted the lamb. (I bottle fed him to supplement what he was getting from the ewe.) Read the article I wrote about Raising Bummer Lambs on a Bottle at http://critterhaven.biz/info/articles/bummer_lamb.htm It contains a recipe for a newborn milk formula to use if you have no colostrum. It also provides a schedule and a formula for feeding amounts. Cecil will caution you to not feed as much as the article recommends per feeding and I agree; but it is a place to start. Carol At 09:58 PM 8/2/2010, you wrote: I dont have any colostrum. All of this happened after the feed stores were closed. I can probably find some tomowrrow-- or is that too late? Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Help broken leg
The vet is closed naturally. We found a 3 day old lamb with a broken leg in the flat part of the back hip. We have splinted to the best of our ability . We have given some penn but I think he should have some kind of pain killer to help reduce any inflamation and keep him a little quite for the night. I will be trying to get him to bottle feed during the night. He is in a dog crate. We did this for a 3 month old angora goat who caught his foot between the bumper bed a couple of years ago. It was warm then to and the vet wouldn't cast it or splint for fear of infection and magots from swet. We just let him lay around in a small pen and it healed just fine but this guy is so tiny. Any thoughts or home remedies would be appreaciated. Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Help.
Hi Oneta, All messages posted to the Blackbelly listserv have been archived, all the way back to 2000 when the list was first created. However, the resources used to archive the posts are less than reliable. Therefore, you may need to check two different sources: This list would be the first place to look. Occasionally it stops archiving, but eventually it seems to recover all on its own: http://www.mail-archive.com/blackbelly%40lists.blackbellysheep.info/http://www.mail-archive.com/blackbelly%40lists.blackbellysheep.info/ This archive (provided by the service that runs the Blackbelly Listserv) uses really poor archiving technology and its search results are often not accurate. You will need your Blackbelly Listserv email address and password to log on: http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/private.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info/http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/private.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info Carol Elkins List Owner At 08:03 PM 6/22/2008, you wrote: I went to the list trying to find some information I had read earlier and what I have saved as the list is from 2005. Does anyone have the link for the new stuff, like in the last month or so. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Help.
I went to the list trying to find some information I had read earlier and what I have saved as the list is from 2005. Does anyone have the link for the new stuff, like in the last month or so. Thanks. OJ Oneta and The Gang www.johnsonquarterhorses.com Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Help!
So my intro to BBs. I got 2 ewe lambs last night. We brought them home ~10:30 unloaded them into a cattle pannel enclosure. One escaped immediately and is gone. The other freaked out, this morning and is loose in the big 1 acre pasture with just hot wire around it. Don't think that's going to do much. So besides putting out water and saying a prayer I am going to go beat the bushes for Coyote Bait as she is now named and make one more request for my horses to please befriend this little lost lamb. Any other suggestions??? Eileen PS Beth not sure about that ram at this point! ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Help!
Sounds similar to my introduction-- cept mine got attacked by a tray dog almost immediately!!! Terry W --- Chris Eileen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So my intro to BBs. I got 2 ewe lambs last night. We brought them home ~10:30 unloaded them into a cattle pannel enclosure. One escaped immediately and is gone. The other freaked out, this morning and is loose in the big 1 acre pasture with just hot wire around it. Don't think that's going to do much. So besides putting out water and saying a prayer I am going to go beat the bushes for Coyote Bait as she is now named and make one more request for my horses to please befriend this little lost lamb. Any other suggestions??? Eileen PS Beth not sure about that ram at this point! ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Help!
Ah, I remember that lesson well... I got burned by my first group not long after moving to the country. Two rams, three ewes. They seemed so calm in those crates...no problem I thought... I'll just open their doors and let them out into this pen till morning. They'll be fine... I slowly opened each animals crate and stepped out of the pen. It was dark but the best I can tell, they slowly eased out together and then WHAM! The biggest ram blasted the enclosure wide open and the rest came tumbling after. I stood there in shock while they disappeared into the woods. I could hear them bleating and crashing through the jungle... it was obvious that they were traveling at TOP SPEEDwithin a minute there was complete silence. It was over... not a trace... not a peep... all gone. Afterwards, when my neighbor got through laughing(he looked and sounded just like the donkey on HEE HAW) he informed me of rule number one of raising livestock. (spoken slowly with a strong southern accent) Rule Number One: DON'T YOU NEVER... NEVER EVER... unload ANY animals at night, especially their FIRST NIGHT. (at this point you spit if you have any tobacco) I guess it would have been unethical to let the city slicker know this rule beforehand... Oh well, it turned out okay. I managed to recover all of them over the next week, due to some nice neighbors and a TON of luck. Things will get better. :0) Best of luck, Chris B. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Eileen Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:12 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] Help! So my intro to BBs. I got 2 ewe lambs last night. We brought them home ~10:30 unloaded them into a cattle pannel enclosure. One escaped immediately and is gone. The other freaked out, this morning and is loose in the big 1 acre pasture with just hot wire around it. Don't think that's going to do much. So besides putting out water and saying a prayer I am going to go beat the bushes for Coyote Bait as she is now named and make one more request for my horses to please befriend this little lost lamb. Any other suggestions??? Eileen PS Beth not sure about that ram at this point! ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Help for puppies
Need help. We have 2 puppies that are in need of new homes or we will have to put them to sleep. They are great with kids, cats, other dogs, horses. Can not be around sheep/goats or other small livestock. KC will be a year old this month (February) and is ½ border collie and ½ red heeler. Would make a great pet or for anyone that does agility, she is a great prospect and loves to please. She could also be a good cadaver dog. Border collies usually do well in it. Wendy was a year old in December. She is a blue heeler mix. She loves kids and would be a wonderful pet. The problem is they are harassing the sheep and chased one of my ewes until she fell and broke her neck. They have never bothered the horses or their foals and get along with the barn cats and the older dogs. They have to stay in a small kennel and it is driving them crazy but I can not trust to let them run. They are both spayed and up on all shots. If anyone is interested or knows of anyone interested, please pass this along. I have spent a lot of time with these girls and can not stand putting them to sleep but that is the direction they are heading. Thanks to all. Oneta in Oklahoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 4052095493 cell. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] HELP --Broke leg!!!
OK ---I know there are some knowledgeable folk who can help I need it!! I have a 130 lb ewe heavy with lamb. I'm expecting twins just any day. BUT, yesterday when I got home she was down with a broke leg. It is broke above the hop (knee) . Called 2 vets and they both said to shot her. She is soo close to lambing that I decided to wait and talk to you folks this morning. I did give her some percocet pain pills--good or bad, because I hated to see her suffer. She seems to be able to get up and lay down. And she is eating some.My questions are this: 1--can she lamb with that leg broke? (we are ready to bottle feed) 2--can the leg heal on it's own? (I know animals in the wild do heal, usually ending up with a bum leg---but they are alive!) 3-- Do you folks think it can be set? 4-- Do you all think I should just shot her and relieve her from her suffering :( ? You all are a good bunch of people and I know that somebody out there must have had this problem ALL HELP APPRECIATED!!! Stephanie ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] HELP --Broke leg!!!
I'm so new to sheep that I can't answer this, but a c-section is what I think of. As long as they are ready to be born. Nancy and Tom had a c-section not that long ago with good results and might be able to help. I wish you the best of luck and hope it turns out well for you. - Original Message - From: Stephanie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:47 PM Subject: [blackbelly] HELP --Broke leg!!! OK ---I know there are some knowledgeable folk who can help I need it!! I have a 130 lb ewe heavy with lamb. I'm expecting twins just any day. BUT, yesterday when I got home she was down with a broke leg. It is broke above the hop (knee) . Called 2 vets and they both said to shot her. She is soo close to lambing that I decided to wait and talk to you folks this morning. I did give her some percocet pain pills--good or bad, because I hated to see her suffer. She seems to be able to get up and lay down. And she is eating some.My questions are this: 1--can she lamb with that leg broke? (we are ready to bottle feed) 2--can the leg heal on it's own? (I know animals in the wild do heal, usually ending up with a bum leg---but they are alive!) 3-- Do you folks think it can be set? 4-- Do you all think I should just shot her and relieve her from her suffering :( ? You all are a good bunch of people and I know that somebody out there must have had this problem ALL HELP APPRECIATED!!! Stephanie ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] HELP --Broke leg!!!
Looking now at your mail, there must be a feeding problem. In many thousand ewes and years, not one broken leg at our ranch. Because of the pregnancy, calcium and as may some minerals have been taken out of the bones and used by the embryos. Do you feed lime ? Duck tape and a wooden stick, if it is the front leg, what I assume, it would heal in the next three weeks, under condition that she gets the right kind of feed. Conifers, herbs, but you have to be there when the lambs are born. If you send me your phone number, Heidi gone talk with about how to do it regards Helmut - Original Message - From: Stephanie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:47 PM Subject: [blackbelly] HELP --Broke leg!!! OK ---I know there are some knowledgeable folk who can help I need it!! I have a 130 lb ewe heavy with lamb. I'm expecting twins just any day. BUT, yesterday when I got home she was down with a broke leg. It is broke above the hop (knee) . Called 2 vets and they both said to shot her. She is soo close to lambing that I decided to wait and talk to you folks this morning. I did give her some percocet pain pills--good or bad, because I hated to see her suffer. She seems to be able to get up and lay down. And she is eating some.My questions are this: 1--can she lamb with that leg broke? (we are ready to bottle feed) 2--can the leg heal on it's own? (I know animals in the wild do heal, usually ending up with a bum leg---but they are alive!) 3-- Do you folks think it can be set? 4-- Do you all think I should just shot her and relieve her from her suffering :( ? You all are a good bunch of people and I know that somebody out there must have had this problem ALL HELP APPRECIATED!!! Stephanie ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.25/246 - Release Date: 30/01/2006 ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] HELP --Broke leg!!!
Hi Stephanie, I have had a ewe break a hind leg and lamb successfully. Not only did she lamb large twins but her leg eventually healed. Now her broken leg sounds similar but may have been very different from your ewe. I suspect my ewe broke her leg from jumping off a four foot drop off while heavily pregnant. What I did was just made sure she was getting all the food and water she needed since she could not compete with any of the other ewes. I also kept an eye out for infection. I never used anti-biotic or Banamine but I certaintly was expecting to need it! My ewe could hardly move and it was painful to watch. I kept expecting the worse, but she lambed, raised her babies and eventually healed. I would have a hard time picking her out of the flock today. I'm sure she has lambed again since she broke her leg. My opinion is if she is trying to live (she does get up now and then is eating and drinking - give her a chance). If she lies down (especially on her side) and just stares she is giving up. At this point consider putting her down. I have had a C-section done on a ewe successfully. The cost was more than the cost of buying a new ewe. It also meant treating the incision for over a month to fight off infection. If the lambs are not totally to term their survival rate is not going to be good. If the ewe is giving up but you are not... Make sure she is laying up right. Make sure she is eating and drinking. You may have to drench her with propylene glycol and water to keep her going. Occasionally help her to her feet and make her walk around (she needs movement). I'm praying for you! Mark ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] HELP --Broke leg!!!
Hi Stephanie, I have splint lambs with success using PVC pipe and duck tape. My ewe's leg that was broke was up high in the thigh/flank area. Her leg did an awkward flop when she walked. She pretty much did not use it to get around with choosing to be three legged. I had really planned on getting rid of her after she lambed but she just kept getting the job done. I have never splint an adult sheep. Maybe others will be more knowledgeable. If I were to do it I would set the bone as straight as possible. Put sticks that are strong enough to support the ewe's weight on both sides and start wrapping with duck tape. The sticks need to extend just past the hoove so the weight is supported above the break. Don't expect her to use the leg much at all. You may have to help her up and down for a while. Also, I would revisit the splint frequently enough to know that the circulation and such remains OK. Feed her really well and keep her moving everyday. I would not give her pain killer unless she needs it to keep her moral up. The pain will help remind her not to use the leg. Hopefully she isn't a wild thing and will remain calm allowing you to assist her recovery. You might want to hand feed her while she is hurt. You will have a friend for life with a little corn! I have seen some amazing healing by sheep. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephanie Jones Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:12 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] HELP --Broke leg!!! OK Mark, Need some info-- Yes, she seems to want to make it. :) Did you split your ewes hind leg? If so , how? Do you think I can give her anything for pain? I hate to see her hurting. It is a complete fracture of the hind leg above the hop, as you can see the bone gouging the skin from inside. It did not break the skin though. I'm thankful for any thing that you can do to help us out. I do not feel we have a feeding problem as Helmut suggested. I confident that she broke her leg tryiing to outrun a dog. She probably cut-back to quickly and slipped on the wet ground (rain) because of her weight. Stephanie - Original Message - From: The Wintermutes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] HELP --Broke leg!!! ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] HELP --Broke leg!!!
Hi Stephanie, I believe the leg can be splinted and that will make the ewe more comfortable because it will reduce movement near the fracture (painful!), and the bones will set better that way, as well. If you can splint it, I wouldn't use pain medication because of the effect it might have on the lambs. Too bad you have such useless vets out there! You might try calling a small animal vet, if you haven't yet - they have splints made for the back legs of dogs, which are pretty much the same shape as those of sheep, and one of these might work well. Or you can use a stick as Helmut wrote, or some thick aluminum wire that you can bend into the proper shape. You want something relatively flat that will sit nicely against the leg, so I don't like PVC pipe for that reason. There are some principles you'll need to know if you've never done this before - I would take Helmut up on his offer to call him for instructions. Several things that are important are: 1) use some roll cotton or other material as padding on the leg, between the leg and splint so that the splint doesn't gouge the skin. If the skin opens up and exposes the broken bone to the outside, you may have big problems with infection. If the skin stays closed, infection is not a problem. 2) put the splint on the outside of the leg (opposite side of the udder) 3) the splint must go from just below the hoof (so the ewe bears weight on the splint, not the hoof) to just past the joint above the fracture. I'm not sure from what you've written exactly where the break is - do you mean it is above the hock(?) which is the joint that sticks out toward the back of the animal? If so, then you want your splint to go up above the knee, which is the joint above the hock that points to the front of the animal. If the break is truly above the knee, then your splint needs to go to the hip. Call Helmut! Good luck, SP On Jan 31, 2006, at 8:47 PM, Stephanie Jones wrote: OK ---I know there are some knowledgeable folk who can help I need it!! I have a 130 lb ewe heavy with lamb. I'm expecting twins just any day. BUT, yesterday when I got home she was down with a broke leg. It is broke above the hop (knee) . Called 2 vets and they both said to shot her. She is soo close to lambing that I decided to wait and talk to you folks this morning. I did give her some percocet pain pills--good or bad, because I hated to see her suffer. She seems to be able to get up and lay down. And she is eating some.My questions are this: 1--can she lamb with that leg broke? (we are ready to bottle feed) 2--can the leg heal on it's own? (I know animals in the wild do heal, usually ending up with a bum leg---but they are alive!) 3-- Do you folks think it can be set? 4-- Do you all think I should just shot her and relieve her from her suffering :( ? You all are a good bunch of people and I know that somebody out there must have had this problem ALL HELP APPRECIATED!!! Stephanie ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly- blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Help...weak lamb
I hope this won't be a trend for me also. If he survives I'll definately have to get him fixed. I've been keeping him inside since yesterday and you would think he was bottle fed. He follows me around when he's strong enough to walk and seems to enjoy my company. He has his own room with a constant supply of hay, grain, and water. I noticed that his stool was clumped together and mushy. What does that mean? Thanks, Britt Stephanie Jones writes: Britt, I wish I could be of some help to you, I feel for you! But, I am waiting to see what this group of smart folks say, as I seem to lose many lambs between the ages of 3-6 months. We've researched all of the possible problems that we are aware of, to no luck. For lack of any other answer, we think we have some kind of a deficiency in our ground, or that we need to be immunizing against some unknown. Therefore, only the strongest of the lambs survive. We have out mineral tubs, hay, pasture, and grain them daily. Yet, we still loose some for no apparent reason. They appear healthy one day, found dead in the lot the next day. I hope I'm not discouraging you, I don't mean too. I'm just hoping that we both may learn something! :) Good luck!! ;) Stephanie - Original Message - From: Britt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:08 PM Subject: [blackbelly] Help...weak lamb Not sure what happened but my 6 month old ram lamb has just all of the sudden become very weak. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Help...weak lamb
If he is a good looking ram lamb don't be in a hurry to fix him. He might be just lonely. And not all rams grow up to be mean. Some do, some don't but if he does turn mean he'll taste the same! :) As long as food is going in and poop is coming out he has a good chance of living! Keep up the good work. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Britt Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 12:54 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Help...weak lamb I hope this won't be a trend for me also. If he survives I'll definately have to get him fixed. I've been keeping him inside since yesterday and you would think he was bottle fed. He follows me around when he's strong enough to walk and seems to enjoy my company. He has his own room with a constant supply of hay, grain, and water. I noticed that his stool was clumped together and mushy. What does that mean? Thanks, Britt ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
