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Re: Pontiac GTO and BMW suspension musings
Re: Pontiac GTO and BMW suspension musings
Re: Pontiac GTO and BMW suspension musings
Re: Pontiac GTO and BMW suspension musings
Re: Pontiac GTO and BMW suspension musings
Re: Pontiac GTO and BMW suspension musings
<E36> Checking leakdown on an M50
Pontiac GTO
Re: Pontiac GTO and BMW suspension musings
<OT> test
Where the weight goes
E30 Ingnition Wire Recommendations
Re: E30 Ingnition Wire Recommendations
Re: E30 Ingnition Wire Recommendations
88iX Coupe FS (well, perhaps)
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 19:10:13 -0500
From: Ben Keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com
Subject: Re: Pontiac GTO and BMW suspension musings
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Andre wrote:
> After crawling out from underneath my well-furnished rock, I just read
> about the Pontiac GTO, and was very impressed. Some specs:
>
> - 4 doors, 4 seats
> - $33.6K
it doesn't have 4 doors in the US market, but is sold that way elsewhere
in the world as a Holden under names.
if you pay retail for one you're nuts. the 350hp ones are still around &
available for $10k off sticker. like everything else at GM, it's all
on sale all the time, you just have to pick which absurd sale they've
got running this month. I'm sure that the 400hp ones can be had at
a discount if you look for them. it's still booooooring looking.
Ben
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 19:25:50 -0500
From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "BMW List" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com>
Subject: Re: Pontiac GTO and BMW suspension musings
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I will second this. I am a dealer and saw one with 4,000 miles today do a
tad under $18,000. It was an auto and was purple, but...they are worthless
on the used market, so don't buy new. Personally, I find them repulsive. I'm
pretty slanted, though...I find pretty much every domestic car to be lousy.
Alex Cagann
> > about the Pontiac GTO, and was very impressed. Some specs:
> >
> > - 4 doors, 4 seats
> > - $33.6K
>
> it doesn't have 4 doors in the US market, but is sold that way elsewhere
> in the world as a Holden under names.
>
> if you pay retail for one you're nuts. the 350hp ones are still around &
> available for $10k off sticker. like everything else at GM, it's all
> on sale all the time, you just have to pick which absurd sale they've
> got running this month. I'm sure that the 400hp ones can be had at
> a discount if you look for them. it's still booooooring looking.
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 17:09:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com
Subject: Re: Pontiac GTO and BMW suspension musings
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--- Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why couldn't someone get this, and assuming it's not already
> adequate,
> beef up the tires, suspension and braking, and have a killer track
> car for less than $40K?
I guess if you have to have a new car and have 400HP then yeah. A
killer track car to me is what we all 3 series owners already have.
E30 325s/M3s, E36 325s/328s/M3s are killer track cars to me and they're
all under $20K.
I don't much care for the E46 M3 or its price. ;-)
> BMW chassis seem to be tunable to very high levels of
> performance as shown by their great performance on the racing
> circuit.
Lots of aftermarket support especially in the suspension department.
>Is this true in general of any car --- if you throw enough money at
>it, you can overcome any fundamental flaw in the car?
I would agree with that. Look at what shows up at track events, any
POS Miata, Camaro, Mustang, Subaru, etc can be a killer track car with
enough after market performance parts bolted on.
Carlos.
with two POS 3ers.
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 17:13:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Scott Staewen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com
Subject: Re: Pontiac GTO and BMW suspension musings
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--- Scott Staewen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> lol.
> No. 2 on mulletsgalore.com. uh, no thanks.
> But I'm actually kind of interested in the new Z06. If I got one,
> would I have to change my hairstyle? (get a rug, maybe?) yikes.
> Scott Staewen
Don't worry about the hair, just add gold chains. :-)
Carlos.
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 19:42:40 -0500
From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Andre Yew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com>
Subject: Re: Pontiac GTO and BMW suspension musings
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
With struts in front, and semi trailing arms in the rear, it is basically an
E30 level of chassis technology. Not bad, but the devil is in the details,
which I have no information. (Before getting too smug, note the E36 has the
same rear suspension setup as a 1963 Corvette)
For a lot less money, you can get a '98-'02 Camaro. The downsides to that
are you also get a lot less car and you have to wear your hair in a mullet.
Any flavor of Chevy LS1 engine will make about 475 hp with a cam, porting
and tuning. For more money, 600+ hp is available.
Gary Derian
> After crawling out from underneath my well-furnished rock, I just read
> about the Pontiac GTO, and was very impressed. Some specs:
>
> - 400 HP Corvette LS2 engine
> - rear-wheel drive
> - nice interior (including nice seats)
> - manual tranny available
> - LSD
> - 4 doors, 4 seats
> - $33.6K
>
> The only downside is that it's a bit porky at 3725 lbs, but its
> weight-to-power ratio is still slightly better than that of an E39 M5 or
> E46 M3.
>
> I'm not in the least bit tempted, but this sounds like a flaming bargain.
> Why couldn't someone get this, and assuming it's not already adequate,
> beef up the tires, suspension and braking, and have a killer track car for
> less than $40K?
>
> Which leads one to the question of how tunable and responsive the car is
> to suspension changes, which seems to be a forte (however you pronounce
> it) of BMWs. BMW chassis seem to be tunable to very high levels of
> performance as shown by their great performance on the racing circuit. Is
> this true in general of any car --- if you throw enough money at it, you
> can overcome any fundamental flaw in the car? So you need to just get a
> RWD car with a beastly engine, and a decent suspension design, perhaps
> like the GTO, and then tune the heck out of it? Or is it that the basic
> BMW design are really favorable to high performance suspension tuning?
>
> --Andre
>
> Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com
>
>
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 19:10:31 -0600
From: Scott Staewen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com
Subject: Re: Pontiac GTO and BMW suspension musings
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
lol.
No. 2 on mulletsgalore.com. uh, no thanks.
But I'm actually kind of interested in the new Z06. If I got one,
would I have to change my hairstyle? (get a rug, maybe?) yikes.
Scott Staewen
> For a lot less money, you can get a '98-'02 Camaro. The downsides to that
> are you also get a lot less car and you have to wear your hair in a mullet.
>
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 19:35:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com
Subject: <E36> Checking leakdown on an M50
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Gruppe,
This Sat. a couple of friends and I are going to inspect a race car
that I'm interested in purchasing. Basically if it passes the motor
check and a couple of chassis measurements that we'll take I'm buying
it.
Being an M50/S50 newbie I would appreciate any tips when doing the
leakdown test. My friend doing the test is much more knowledgeable
than I but he mentioned he hasn't done a leakdown on an M50, just S14s
and M20s (I think).
I took a look at the Bentley and it seems a 24mm wrench is what we'll
need to rotate the crankshaft. I know from watching a leakdown he did
on an S14 it was necessary to hold the crankshaft from moving once you
insert the compressed air and a BFS worked for that. I see the Bentley
mentions a special tool 11 2 300 that goes into the bellhousing. Is
this what we need? If I can't find one by Saturday is there another
method of holding the crankshaft in place?
Thanks and any info is appreciated,
Carlos
93 325is
88 325is
94 325is <--future race car (hopefully)
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 20:07:39 -0800 (PST)
From: kjk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com
Subject: Pontiac GTO
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Peformance aside, have you actually seen this car?
UUUUUUGLY.
Kevin Kelly
'91 M5
'00 323iT
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Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:47:49 -1000
From: Jay G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com
Subject: Re: Pontiac GTO and BMW suspension musings
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
doesnt it still have a live axle??? i drove a auto 350hp one at a GM
driving event where they show off new cars...power was okay- didnt feel like
350hp, and handling on it was pretty mushy...lots of brake dive and body
roll...
OBMWC, my 97 M3 with dead stock shocks handled better :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andre Yew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> - 400 HP Corvette LS2 engine
> - rear-wheel drive
> - nice interior (including nice seats)
> - manual tranny available
> - LSD
> - 4 doors, 4 seats
> - $33.6K
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 21:37:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: UUC Digest <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com>
Subject: <OT> test
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
If anyone gets this, please reply to my private email,
as none of my posts have been going to the list in
recent weeks.
Brian
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:16:24 +0000
From: nick brearley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com
Subject: Where the weight goes
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Some interesting pictures at
http://www.fabdirect.com/index2.htm
The site is a BMW breakers. One E39 528iT has taken a nasty front end knock
but, on the face of it, the passenger compartment appears intact. Also see
what to expect when you roll your new 6 series...
Nick Brearley
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:54:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Nick Ortwein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: E30 Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, UUC Digest <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com>
Subject: E30 Ingnition Wire Recommendations
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I have a all stock 88 325is I need to replace the
wires as they are beginning to fatigue. What do you
recommend? Stock Bosch, Performance etc. Also where
do you recommend to buy these. My local guy wants
$115 for a set of stock Bosch.
Thanks in advance,
Nick Ortwein
1988 325is
San Diego, CA
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:06:55 -0500
From: "Bruno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Nick Ortwein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "E30 Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"UUC Digest" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com>
Subject: Re: E30 Ingnition Wire Recommendations
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12 12 1 720 529, Ignition Wire Set
Beru or Bosch are OEM sets for your car, they should be ok. PVL is the
aftermarket version.
BMA should have the best price on it. As for performance wires... It really
depends how much you want to spend and the purpose of your car.
Bruno
Webmaster of the BMW E34 Website: www.bmwe34.net
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From: "Nick Ortwein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "E30 Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "UUC Digest"
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Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 10:54 AM
Subject: [UUC] E30 Ingnition Wire Recommendations
> I have a all stock 88 325is I need to replace the
> wires as they are beginning to fatigue. What do you
> recommend? Stock Bosch, Performance etc. Also where
> do you recommend to buy these. My local guy wants
> $115 for a set of stock Bosch.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Nick Ortwein
> 1988 325is
> San Diego, CA
> Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA.
>
> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate
> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes!
> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:13:47 -0600
From: Clarence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Nick Ortwein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: UUC Digest <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com>
Subject: Re: E30 Ingnition Wire Recommendations
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
A renowned mechanic on this list had stated that the stock wires are
very adequate for this car. I've got an '87 325iS that's chipped and run
stock wires. I don't think HP wires are necessary unless the engine is
really modified.
YMMV
Clarence
West Bend, WI
Nick Ortwein wrote:
> I have a all stock 88 325is I need to replace the
> wires as they are beginning to fatigue. What do you
> recommend? Stock Bosch, Performance etc. Also where
> do you recommend to buy these. My local guy wants
> $115 for a set of stock Bosch.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Nick Ortwein
> 1988 325is
> San Diego, CA
> Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA.
>
> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate
> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes!
> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:14:33 -0500
From: "JohnGrills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com>
Subject: 88iX Coupe FS (well, perhaps)
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Gruppe,
I think it's time to think about selling my 88iX with that beautiful
DiamonShwartz faded clear-coat paint on the hood/roof (kudos to Jenny Morgan
on that line...)
I'm jones'in for an 8 series for some reason...darn impressive ride. Not a
3er of course, but a different sort of impressive.
check it out at:
http://jpg123.tripod.com/id18.html
Somehow I feel I'm betraying my iX brethren by selling, but my better half
has put a 3-car limit on the stable, and I have to live w/that decision.
cheers,
John Grills
NCCCA Member
88M3
88iX
87iC
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