The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 681 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Installing VDO gauges E28 Top Speed M3 Engine block ID help Re: M3 Engine block ID help Re: M3 Engine block ID help Re: M3 Engine block ID help <E90>It begins World's *Greatest* garage sale. Ever. Ferrari is cleaning house! (NPC, NBC) E46 Hidden V1 Instal Re: E46 Hidden V1 Instal Re: E46 Hidden V1 Instal Re: E46 Hidden V1 Instal Re: Novice students with big HP, was Re: Porsche
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:04:37 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Installing VDO gauges Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's easy enough to drill a hole through the fire wall near the battery cable and put in a grommet, especially if you have the carpet pulled away. OSH and Home Depot sell rubber grommets in bunchs of sizes. Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of wy Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:52 AM To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: [UUC] Installing VDO gauges Yeah.. I looked at the engine side of the firewall and it looks like the rubber sleeve does not have any more room to accomodate any more wires. The instructions that came with the VDO kit say to cut one of the nipple. I do see some nipples under the jumpstart connector next to the hole where the battery cables comes through. But I did not see the opening from the inside. Will --- Marco Romani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ah ha. > > There is no other hole I know of on that side of the > car that goes through > the fire wall. My wires were run through that > battery cable grommet, it > wasn't pretty, but it worked. I've just recently > modified the whole thing, > but that's easy to do when then entire interior is > out of the car. Most of > the wiring harness runs from the drivers side across > the interior of the > firewall to the passenger side where you'll find > things like the ABS > computer, the cruise control computer, yada^2 > > The glove box should practically fall out if you > have all the screws out, > did ya get the one by the light? > > Marco > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf > Of wy > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:54 AM > To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > Subject: Re: [UUC] Installing VDO gauges > > > Yes, its an e36. I'm removing the glovebox so that I > can remove the kick panel in order to pull back the > carpet to give me better access to the hole in the > firewall. > > Will > > --- Marco Romani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > we maybe able to help you if you gave an idea as > to > > model of BMW you're > > working on. I would have guessed it was an E36 > but > > for the life of me I > > can't figure out why you'd be removing the > glovebox > > on an E36 to get to the > > sunglass holder. > > > > Marco > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf > > Of wy > > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 8:56 AM > > To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > Subject: [UUC] Installing VDO guages > > > > > > Hi, > > I'm in the middle of installing a set of VDO > > gauges > > to replace the sunglass holder. The 6 screws > holding > > the glovebox compartment had been removed. But > > glovebox will not yield when pulling on the > glovebox > > door. Am I missing any more screws not detailed in > > the > > Bentley? > > Secondly, do I route the wire using the same > hole > > in > > the firewall which the battery and alarm wiring > > runs? > > It does not look like there is enough room. Is > there > > another hole in the firewall? > > Thanks! > > > > Will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get Firefox! > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover Yahoo! > > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM > > and more. 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Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > Get Firefox! __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:46:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: E28 Top Speed Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tammer: Wonder what the terminal velocity of an E28 is in vertical and horizontal configurations. I recall reading the human body was 250 and 320 kmph for horizontal and vertical orientations. Shouldn't be too hard to calculate if you know the weight and surface areas and co-effs of drag of the car in the two orientations. Neil Deshpande *** Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -tammer <--1st school in a street car in July; E28 with bone-stock M30 motor. Couldn't hit 165 mph unless it was dropped from a plane. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:16:34 -0500 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: M3 Engine block ID help Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have an M3 engine that I am refreshing to install in my 318ti. I was told it was from a '99 M3. Can anyone give me any info on the engine based the the following pictures I took of the #'s that are cast/etched into the block? http://home.alltel.net/jb44051/engine1.jpg http://home.alltel.net/jb44051/engine2.jpg Thanks in advance for any assitance! Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 18:02:28 -0400 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: M3 Engine block ID help Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The first picture shows the BMW part number of the cylinder block, 1 748 933. The other number is some form of serial, but I'm not aware of a cross reference chart. There should be a VIN sticker on the back of the cylinder head. If so, email me the last 7 digits of that VIN and I'll tell you what the car was. Brett Anderson KMS Original Message: ----------------- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:16:34 -0500 To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: [UUC] M3 Engine block ID help I have an M3 engine that I am refreshing to install in my 318ti. I was told it was from a '99 M3. Can anyone give me any info on the engine based the the following pictures I took of the #'s that are cast/etched into the block? http://home.alltel.net/jb44051/engine1.jpg http://home.alltel.net/jb44051/engine2.jpg Thanks in advance for any assitance! Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 22:37:11 -0500 From: "Jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: M3 Engine block ID help Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Brett. Unfortunately the engine does not have the VIN sticker on the back of the head anymore. There is a stamp on the block in white paint up by the oil filter housing that looks like it is Sept of 1998. The block also has the crankshaft sensor in the rear, indicating it was OBD2. But there was one other spot on the block that had the numbers: 300 31 983 32 6S 2 Any idea what those #'s might stand for? I think the 32 means it is a 3.2L. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: RE: [UUC] M3 Engine block ID help The first picture shows the BMW part number of the cylinder block, 1 748 933. The other number is some form of serial, but I'm not aware of a cross reference chart. There should be a VIN sticker on the back of the cylinder head. If so, email me the last 7 digits of that VIN and I'll tell you what the car was. Brett Anderson KMS Original Message: ----------------- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:16:34 -0500 To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: [UUC] M3 Engine block ID help I have an M3 engine that I am refreshing to install in my 318ti. I was told it was from a '99 M3. Can anyone give me any info on the engine based the the following pictures I took of the #'s that are cast/etched into the block? http://home.alltel.net/jb44051/engine1.jpg http://home.alltel.net/jb44051/engine2.jpg Thanks in advance for any assitance! Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 21:04:29 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: M3 Engine block ID help Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> just curious - why do you care? Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 8:37 PM To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: [UUC] M3 Engine block ID help Thanks Brett. Unfortunately the engine does not have the VIN sticker on the back of the head anymore. There is a stamp on the block in white paint up by the oil filter housing that looks like it is Sept of 1998. The block also has the crankshaft sensor in the rear, indicating it was OBD2. But there was one other spot on the block that had the numbers: 300 31 983 32 6S 2 Any idea what those #'s might stand for? I think the 32 means it is a 3.2L. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: RE: [UUC] M3 Engine block ID help The first picture shows the BMW part number of the cylinder block, 1 748 933. The other number is some form of serial, but I'm not aware of a cross reference chart. There should be a VIN sticker on the back of the cylinder head. If so, email me the last 7 digits of that VIN and I'll tell you what the car was. Brett Anderson KMS Original Message: ----------------- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:16:34 -0500 To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: [UUC] M3 Engine block ID help I have an M3 engine that I am refreshing to install in my 318ti. I was told it was from a '99 M3. Can anyone give me any info on the engine based the the following pictures I took of the #'s that are cast/etched into the block? http://home.alltel.net/jb44051/engine1.jpg http://home.alltel.net/jb44051/engine2.jpg Thanks in advance for any assitance! Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:30:07 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: <E90>It begins Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, the local paper had a review of the new three and todays Wall Street Journal had a glowing report about the handling and feel of the 325i. I must say the silver color does subdue the chrome upper kidney and brings it closer to my liking. The side character line while remeniscent of the Acura TL, does gives the car a dyanamic character. The WSJ article did mention that front headroom has been reduced. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out on the track with taller drivers. No observation was made about the lowest seat position. -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:46:08 -0400 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "911" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "BMW List" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: World's *Greatest* garage sale. Ever. Ferrari is cleaning house! (NPC, NBC) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So, imagine if Ferrari decided to clean out its (many) garages, chock full of F1 and sports car racing parts and history. And when Ferrari was done cleaning, it looked at the giant stack of STUFF, piled up on the Fiorano circuit next to the factory, and realized that all of this cool stuff was preventing the F1 team from testing. So, instead of calling 1-800-HAUL-JUNK, Ferrari decided to hire a prestigious auction house and SELL OFF the detritus accumulated over the decades? How COOL would that BE?!? Well, it would be even cooler if I could afford anything that's for sale (I can't even afford the catalog, at $60!). But browsing the DOWNLOADABLE ELECTRONIC catalog is really, really cool (and free). What's for sale? Well, F1 racing cars. Sports cars. Road cars. F1 parts. Engine parts. Racing wheels. Harnesses. Trophies. Jackets. Just an amazing collection of STUFF. You could easily spend this weekend reading the catalog in detail. So if any of you are going, and if you decide you need a sherpa/porter to help haul your stuff home, give me a call!!! vty, --Dennis Go to this site and check it out: http://search.sothebys.com/about/pressrelease/ferrari/index.html [the link to download the .pdf catalog is at the top of the right column] SOTHEBY'S AT FERRARI Read the Press Release > SOTHEBY'S IS delighted to announce that on Tuesday, June 28, 2005, it will hold a landmark sale of cars and related memorabilia at Ferrari's legendary premises in Maranello, Italy. The sale will be held at 6pm in the Ferrari Logistics Building - birthplace of some of the greatest racing and sports cars ever produced - adjacent to the famous Fiorano test track near Modena. The first ever auction of such material to be supported by Ferrari, May's sale will include items ranging from historic memorabilia to some of the most important cars ever produced under the aegis of Enzo Ferrari and his successors - from early cars to some of the finest, fastest modern sports and racing cars ever to have graced the road and track, including the F2004 driven by Michael Schumacher in the first five Grand Prix races of 2004, all of which he won. The sale will be highlighted by the F2004, in which Schumacher won the Australian, Malaysian, Bahrain, Imola and Spanish races. The car represents a further evolution of the concepts already seen in the F2003-GA and a further step forward in the history of Ferrari single-seaters. When the F2004 appears at auction next May, it will be the first time that Ferrari has offered a Formula 1 car from the past season. The sale will also include the Maserati MC12, which won the 2004 FIA GT championship race at Oschersleben, the first victory for Maserati in 37 years. At the other end of the spectrum the sale will feature historic racing cars from many important moments in the history of the Ferrari name. Chief among the highlights of the historic cars in the sale, is the Ferrari 412S 1958 #0744, which has an illustrious past in North American racing, having been driven by giants such as Phil Hill, Richie Ginther and John von Neumann. This is without doubt one of the greatest cars ever to be offered for sale. Estimate available on request. Every car will be vetted by a Ferrari engineer, and a number of items in the sale will be offered direct from the company's own holdings. The Fiorano track at Maranello is one of the holy sites of the motor racing world, and access is normally strictly limited. Those attending the sale will, however, have the unique opportunity of following in the tyre tracks of champions and seeing where Ferrari develops all its F1 and road cars. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:49:50 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Kevin Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: E46 Hidden V1 Instal Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A co-worker with an E46 M3 Cabrio is looking for tips on putting in a V1 with the unit hidden in the front of the car (he knows that it will not have as much range as a windshield installation but he does not want to take it down every time he parks the car with the top down). Does anyone know of any pages with hidden mounts of the actual V1 unit like the page below, or know of any shops in the San Francisco Bay Area that will do a custom hidden V1 installation (he wants to pay someone to do this). http://webpages.charter.net/strysnie/M3/V1Install.html Kevin Kelly BMW CCA 50039 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:45:44 -0700 From: Raza Uddin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: E46 Hidden V1 Instal Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 6/3/05, Kevin Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone know of any pages with hidden mounts of the actual V1 unit like > the page > below, or know of any shops in the San Francisco Bay Area that will do a > custom hidden >V1 installation (he wants to pay someone to do this). Kevin, Jim Powell had the most ingenious way of mounting the V1: http://www.apexcone.com/JimPowellHomepage/Radar/RadarLove.html I don't think he makes them anymore, but they happen to come up used in classifieds every once in a while. Jim might direct your friend on how to make his own. Drive Safely, Raza ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 21:45:52 -0400 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: E46 Hidden V1 Instal Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jim Powell does indeed still offer them: <http://www.apexcone.com/prod_invisimirror.html> Ed Raza Uddin wrote: >I don't think he makes them anymore, but they happen to come up used >in classifieds every once in a while. Jim might direct your friend on >how to make his own. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:51:37 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: E46 Hidden V1 Instal Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Jun 3, 2005, at 3:49 PM, Kevin Kelly wrote: > A co-worker with an E46 M3 Cabrio is looking for tips on putting in > a V1 with the unit hidden in the front of the car (he knows that it > will not have as much range as a windshield installation but he > does not want to take it down every time he parks the car with the > top down). > > Does anyone know of any pages with hidden mounts of the actual V1 > unit like the page below, or know of any shops in the San Francisco > Bay Area that will do a custom hidden V1 installation (he wants to > pay someone to do this). > > http://webpages.charter.net/strysnie/M3/V1Install.html This is about the coolest V1 install for newer BMWs that I've seen: http://www.jaricdesign.com/products.htm - Mark ----- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 10:52:59 -0400 From: Bill Ballon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: Novice students with big HP, was Re: Porsche Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mark, You state that "control is the key." Having instructed at various BMW-CCA and other Club's schools since the mid 80s I have had several sphincter-tightening experiences with students, including a trip into the guard rail @ speed with a student @ Lime Rock in 1990. Traveling at high speed while a student suddenly freezes with an unexpected brain-fart is a situation that an instructor has limited or no control over. There is simply no time for an instructor to react and implement ANYTHING EFFECTIVE at high speed. Joe Della Barba's statement below is correct. Once I had to instinctively reach over and yank the steering wheel of a novice student when another student careened out of control toward our car. That split-second decision narrowly averted a metal-to-metal incident that was NOT caused by my student. (Instructors understandably have lots of "war stories" about instructing experiences.) Control, as in CAR CONTROL SKILLS is the key. The ability to "Verbally control the car" at speed is a myth, wishful thinking, or highly limited at best. High speed drivers schools typically rush novice students to speed at these events. There is not enough emphasis on ensuring that these students possess enough car control ability BEFORE they begin to drive at speeds that they are not ready for. A few minutes of on-track exercises the weekend of the school is NOT ENOUGH INCREMENTAL TRAINING to turn these students loose on race tracks where minute real-time errors at speed make them and their in-car instructors pay with a dangerous outcome. The configuration of some tracks leave little room for error with unforgiving Armco or no run-off. The performance of current cars have amplified the problem. Cornering speeds are higher than ever. A lap time of the 1969 Trans-Am champion is now routinely run in a stock road car at a Club driving event. Staggering speeds are now routine. Imparting vast volumes of information to a student WHILE THE STUDENT IS DRIVING does not allow enough cognitive capacity for the student to absorb these skills during a weekend. The student can either drive or learn, but not all at once and simultaneously. Often the instructor is more of a distraction than an asset under these circumstances. In my experience at most drivers schools or speed events over three decades, the students are operating on an open track after scant minutes of car control exercises. This is the culture of these schools. A few schools have skid-pads and pre-requisite car-control training, but this is the exception rather than the rule. This pre-requisite training and evaluation should be before and separate from the high-speed event. The student's ability to control the car should be evaluated BEFORE the student turns a wheel on a race track at speed. But in reality this is never going to happen. I believe that a structure of far more intensive training as a pre-requisite for entering a high-speed event is a tool to reduce the risks, but there will always be risks associated with driving at high speed at these events. There is also no chance that the culture of rushing them out onto an open track will ever change. Bill Ballon BMW-CCA #1696 (OLD TIMER) Co-founder Allegheny Chapter Drivers School program Circa 1984 Been there, done that, Yada-Yada. www.billballonauto.com At 04:30 PM 6/3/05 , you wrote: >Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:24:59 -0500 >From: "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com >Subject: Re: Novice students with big HP, was Re: Porsche >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Control is the key. You need to take control of the situation as soon as >you sit down in the car and establish a rapport with the students that >lets you "control" the car verbally. > >remember your first school? You were probably talked through every "Easy >squeeze" of the gas and brake pedals...when and where to press wich pedal >where to look, when to signal passes, where to be on the >track. Instructors are driving the car with a crude form of voice control >instead of pedals and wheels. and they get one or two sections on long >straights per lap to *maybe* explain an element of "why." > >It takes a lot of focus, particularly since you have to feel what's >happening around you and adjust CONSTANTLY, but it's really gratifying >when it flows and the student learns a lot. Plus, I feel like I owe the >club for the previous generation of instructors who taught ME. I don't >want to shell out $2k for Skippy school. > >Marc Plante >E36 M3/4, 64k >Vienna, VA > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Della Barba, Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "UUC Digest" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> >Subject: Re: Novice students with big HP, was Re: [UUC] Porsche Fatality >Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:22:23 -0400 > > > > > > > > > I have taught people to sail and to fly, but being a driving instructor > > takes some 'nads unless you've got a dual-control car. > > > > Joe Della Barba ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(13 messages) **********
