Re: [board-discuss] LibreOffice Personal & TDF's statutes & purpose

2020-07-11 Thread toki
On 2020/07/09 16:54, Italo Vignoli wrote: > On 7/9/20 6:35 PM, Aravind Palla wrote: > >> - that there will be no change of license; > > Based on what you assume there can be a change of license, the marketing > plan says exactly the opposite, i.e. we do stay loyal to the copyleft > license,

Re: [board-discuss] LibreOffice Personal & TDF's statutes & purpose

2020-07-09 Thread Aravind Palla
Thanks for clarifying. Speculations arise when there is uncertainty. The proposal for two different editions is an unexpected and unprecedented move. The word 'personal' is not same in "personal computer" and "personal edition". Personal computer can be used in offices, but is "forbidden",

Re: [board-discuss] LibreOffice Personal & TDF's statutes & purpose

2020-07-09 Thread Aravind Palla
I think a clear-cut statement from the Board can answer a lot of questions and reduce a lot of negativity. The Board should clarify: - that there will be no change of license; - that there will be no 'exclusive' features for the proposed enterprise edition other than dedicated support like

Re: [board-discuss] LibreOffice Personal & TDF's statutes & purpose

2020-07-09 Thread Kev M
Hi Paolo, I think as stated earlier, as part of the consultation regarding the marketing plan there should be a discussion around tag names. Collectively calling the ecosystem "Enterprise" has connotations of different editions, even if it's stated that there will be no difference in versions.

Re: [board-discuss] LibreOffice Personal & TDF's statutes & purpose

2020-07-09 Thread Kev M
I am sorry Simon, and sorry to whoever else was offended by my ageist/crude language. What I was trying to communicate is that Gen Z developers have low interest in looking at Gerrit, Bugzilla, Mailing Lists, or AskBot if there are projects that are using modern, visually pleasing and easier

Re: [board-discuss] LibreOffice Personal & TDF's statutes & purpose

2020-07-09 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi Kev, thanks for your feedback and see inline my comments. On 09/07/2020 19:41, Kev M wrote: > It would be better to call it "LibreOffice Unsupported" and > "LibreOffice Paid Support" instead of using the terms "LibreOffice > Enterprise" and "LibreOffice Personal". Note that we are talking

Re: [board-discuss] LibreOffice Personal & TDF's statutes & purpose

2020-07-09 Thread Simon Phipps
On Thu, 9 Jul 2020, 18:47 Kev M, wrote: > > To point to links and mailing lists that anyone under the age of 40 > probably does not use regularly > This kind of discriminatory language is not called for, does not help and I am asking for it not to be repeated please. Thanks, Simon >

Re: [board-discuss] LibreOffice Personal & TDF's statutes & purpose

2020-07-09 Thread Kev M
It would be better to call it "LibreOffice Unsupported" and "LibreOffice Paid Support" instead of using the terms "LibreOffice Enterprise" and "LibreOffice Personal". You're arguing that using the term "community" creates confusion because of other open source projects providing the same

Re: [board-discuss] LibreOffice Personal & TDF's statutes & purpose

2020-07-09 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 7/9/20 6:35 PM, Aravind Palla wrote: > - that there will be no change of license; Based on what you assume there can be a change of license, the marketing plan says exactly the opposite, i.e. we do stay loyal to the copyleft license, which is one of the pillars of the project. > - that there

Re: [board-discuss] LibreOffice Personal & TDF's statutes & purpose

2020-07-09 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Thanks Aravind for summarising all we have been saying in the past few days :-) All you stated was written or implicit in our communication: https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2020/07/06/board-statement-on-the-libreoffice-7-0rc-personal-edition-label/ Linking here some of my answers which

[board-discuss] LibreOffice Personal & TDF's statutes & purpose

2020-07-09 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Alex, On 06/07/2020 10:27, Alexander Werner wrote in bugzilla at > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134486#c23 > Cleary, The Document Foundation must release a version that is open > to all intended audiences. As clearly stated in the statues, the > intended audience is: