Re: [board-discuss] Re: Libreoffice Vanilla
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 5:42 AM Thorsten Behrens wrote: > > Hi Dennis, > > Dennis Roczek wrote: > > E.g. You know very well how long which MS Windows version is supported with > > which support plan. In the store you can only guess: > > is it > > * a live time license (buy one, only get this major release updates) > > * some X months supported license > > * buy-one-get-forever-updates license > > * something different > > > Fair points. > > Still, before exploring if/how to address one or more of the above > options, what would you (and others here!) consider a fair deal? Depends. Based on Vanilla having a release cycle close to the TDF official releases and Vanilla representing what TDF/Publisher considers general use version. ie Today this would be 7.0.3 per recent TDF announcement. I would like to see a term that ensures no less than two full update cycles and in some circumstances three updates. At no time would the user have a version not receiving active scheduled updates. 18 months I believe fills all three of my requirements. ie. When the user purchases the initial install that is version 0 - today that is LO 6.4.4 and they would receive update 1 (7.0.3) and finish with update 2 (7.1.3) and depending on where the initial purchase was early in the version 0 availability window possibly one more. (Note; IDK is there a general rule as to which minor update 6.4.x constitutes a move from the cutting edge/power user release the for general user status.) Drew > > Cheers, > > -- Thorsten -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Statement on Richard M. Stallman and Free Software Foundation
Hi Cor, all, Am 25.03.21 um 18:04 schrieb Cor Nouws: > Hi Andreas, > > Andreas Mantke wrote on 25/03/2021 16:06: > >> I'm missing some members of TDF bodies and the team here. Had they not >> reached in time or are there different views on the topic in general or >> only the wording? > I would have preferred a different wording. However, thought I indicated > that I would go with the majority vote. But apparently that was not > understood as to put my name there. But compared to this and other > serious things ongoing around us, that's no big deal for me. > thanks for your answer. Keep well and fit, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Statement on Richard M. Stallman and Free Software Foundation
Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke wrote on 25/03/2021 16:06: > I'm missing some members of TDF bodies and the team here. Had they not > reached in time or are there different views on the topic in general or > only the wording? I would have preferred a different wording. However, thought I indicated that I would go with the majority vote. But apparently that was not understood as to put my name there. But compared to this and other serious things ongoing around us, that's no big deal for me. HTH, Cheers, Cor -- Cor Nouws, member Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 mobile : +31 (0)6 25 20 7001 skype : cornouws blog: cor4office-nl.blogspot.com jabber : cor4off...@jabber.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Statement on Richard M. Stallman and Free Software Foundation
Hi Andreas, On 25/03/2021 15:06, Andreas Mantke wrote: > I'm missing some members of TDF bodies and the team here. > Had they not reached in time or are there different views > on the topic in general or only the wording? I think I mentioned the difficulty and expense in time of getting a consensus view quickly from a diverse set of people at the outset. I'd would say this is a pretty good showing, and while I personally had reservations about elements of this approach so didn't put my name to it - it's certainly not safe to conclude that others who are not present did not support it in part or total too. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@collabora.com <><, GM Collabora Productivity Hangout: mejme...@gmail.com, Skype: mmeeks (M) +44 7795 666 147 - timezone usually UK / Europe -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Statement on Richard M. Stallman and Free Software Foundation
Hi, first thanks for the statement! Am 25.03.21 um 14:56 schrieb Lothar K. Becker: > Dear LibreOffice Community, > Dear Open Source Community, > (...) > We are all perfectly aware of the consequences also for our project, > given that the FSF is a member of our advisory board. > > We clearly expect a strong evidence that the FSF found a proper > solution to the severe impact their actions have had on the global > free software community. We will suspend FSF‘s membership in our > advisory board and cease any other activity with this organization and > their representatives, until the situation is healed. if I understand this sentence correctly, the advisory board membership has been suspended. If this is correct, the TDF website needs an alignment. > > Thanks for your support. > > Lothar Becker (TDF Board) > Daniel Armando Rodriguez (TDF Board) > Franklin Weng (TDF Board) > Thorsten Behrens (TDF Board) > Emiliano Vavassori (TDF Board) > Paolo Vecchi (TDF Board) > > Marina Latini (TDF Membership Committee) > Gabriele Ponzo (TDF Membership Committee) > Ahmad Haris (TDF Membership Committee) > Dennis Roczek (TDF Membership Committee) > Gustavo Buzzatti Pacheco (TDF Membership Committee) > Shinji Enoki (TDF Membership Committee) > Jona Azizaj (TDF Membership Committee) > > Florian Effenberger (TDF Team) > Sophie Gautier (TDF Team) > Olivier Hallot (TDF Team) > Italo Vignoli (TDF Team) > Xisco Fauli (TDF Team) > Christian Lohmaier (TDF Team) > Guilhem Moulin (TDF Team) > I'm missing some members of TDF bodies and the team here. Had they not reached in time or are there different views on the topic in general or only the wording? Regards, Andreas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] TDF Advisory Board Members
On 25/03/2021 13:43, Guilhem Moulin wrote: No idea how much it evaluation it received from the then BoD, but FWIW that project was mentioned in passing on this very list 4 years ago during the discussion that got /foundation/code-of-conduct published and adopted: https://listarchives.tdf.io/i/hNmCoWCFFk63f2HlUicKssps . Haha ok. Thanks for mentioning this Guilhem, you're my personal mailing list archeologist :P (at that time I wasn't keeping the emails locally, so I only have archives from 2018 and onward, at that time I thought that full text search was simpler wrt. mailing lists, my bad...) For what is worth, the contributor covenant evolved in version number[2] and became more robust (and inclusive) since that time, thanks to the joint effort of organizations coming in to participate and sign this agreement :) Back on the main topic, I'm glad TDF has been able to provide an answer in a timely manner. When it's great, it's important to mention it too =) [1] https://twitter.com/wget42/status/1375088510227648515 [2] https://github.com/ContributorCovenant/contributor_covenant/compare/1.4...2.0#diff-ffdbe3a1e7ee93cacfc080b6c635ccf3a8f6b0f00f2fb884f78c6b5f9dac8fd2 -- William Gathoye Hypertive volunteer for LibreOffice Proud member of The Document Foundation CM of LaMouette - French based association promoting ODF and LibreOffice Consultant Technical Marketer at Collabora DevOps Engineer at Arawa Core Committer at Mattermost -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Statement on Richard M. Stallman and Free Software Foundation
Dear LibreOffice Community, Dear Open Source Community, all of us at The Document Foundation are following the discussion in the global free software community about Richard M. Stallman’s return to the Free Software Foundation (FSF) board of directors. We do share your concerns, and we do take this situation very seriously. Our worldwide community is strongly committed to have a safe, welcoming, harmonious and inclusive environment, based on dignity and support. We absolutely do not tolerate harassment of any kind. Working together in trust requires mutual respect and understanding. These standards are also part of our guiding statutes that we expect all our community members and affiliates to follow. We have therefore reached out to the FSF’s representative in our advisory board, asking for details and for a statement which confirms their commitment to our core values. We are all perfectly aware of the consequences also for our project, given that the FSF is a member of our advisory board. We clearly expect a strong evidence that the FSF found a proper solution to the severe impact their actions have had on the global free software community. We will suspend FSF‘s membership in our advisory board and cease any other activity with this organization and their representatives, until the situation is healed. Thanks for your support. Lothar Becker (TDF Board) Daniel Armando Rodriguez (TDF Board) Franklin Weng (TDF Board) Thorsten Behrens (TDF Board) Emiliano Vavassori (TDF Board) Paolo Vecchi (TDF Board) Marina Latini (TDF Membership Committee) Gabriele Ponzo (TDF Membership Committee) Ahmad Haris (TDF Membership Committee) Dennis Roczek (TDF Membership Committee) Gustavo Buzzatti Pacheco (TDF Membership Committee) Shinji Enoki (TDF Membership Committee) Jona Azizaj (TDF Membership Committee) Florian Effenberger (TDF Team) Sophie Gautier (TDF Team) Olivier Hallot (TDF Team) Italo Vignoli (TDF Team) Xisco Fauli (TDF Team) Christian Lohmaier (TDF Team) Guilhem Moulin (TDF Team) -- Lothar K. Becker, Member of the Board of Directors, chairman The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint mail: lot...@documentfoundation.org phone: +49 7202 9499 001 (c/o .riess applications gmbh) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] TDF Advisory Board Members
Hi, On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 23:34:50 +0100, Emiliano Vavassori wrote: > Il 23/03/21 23:27, William Gathoye (LibreOffice) ha scritto: >> I know you have been working on this (cf. occurrences in "Board of >> Directors Meeting 2021-03-12" and even back from the days Marina was at >> the board), I'm just mentioning that instead of reinventing the wheel >> for that part, we just could use this joint/collective effort: >> https://www.contributor-covenant.org/ > > Thanks for the heads up. I'm sure this is sound material to evaluate. No idea how much it evaluation it received from the then BoD, but FWIW that project was mentioned in passing on this very list 4 years ago during the discussion that got /foundation/code-of-conduct published and adopted: https://listarchives.tdf.io/i/hNmCoWCFFk63f2HlUicKssps . cheers -- Guilhem. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [board-discuss] TDF Budget 2021
On 25.03.21 09:52, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: On 25.3.2021 8.58, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: On 24.3.2021 20.46, Andreas Mantke wrote: Thus TDF has to evaluate the reasons for this poor execution and make improvements (especially for the time after the corona pandemic). If TDF will dodge on this topic, there will be from my opinion no valid reason to complain about a 'shortage' of volunteers in the LibreOffice project. I can't say I recognise your description as in 2021 alone I have onboarded over 130 volunteers and I'm not the only one doing this sort of thing. I have to correct myself: in 2021 I have onboarded 58 volunteers and in 2020 84 volunteers. Ilmari thanks Ilmari, i think it's great to have TDF staff onboarding volunteers :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Re: Libreoffice Vanilla
Hi Dennis, Dennis Roczek wrote: > E.g. You know very well how long which MS Windows version is supported with > which support plan. In the store you can only guess: > is it > * a live time license (buy one, only get this major release updates) > * some X months supported license > * buy-one-get-forever-updates license > * something different > Fair points. Still, before exploring if/how to address one or more of the above options, what would you (and others here!) consider a fair deal? Cheers, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [board-discuss] TDF Budget 2021
On 25.3.2021 8.58, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: On 24.3.2021 20.46, Andreas Mantke wrote: Thus TDF has to evaluate the reasons for this poor execution and make improvements (especially for the time after the corona pandemic). If TDF will dodge on this topic, there will be from my opinion no valid reason to complain about a 'shortage' of volunteers in the LibreOffice project. I can't say I recognise your description as in 2021 alone I have onboarded over 130 volunteers and I'm not the only one doing this sort of thing. I have to correct myself: in 2021 I have onboarded 58 volunteers and in 2020 84 volunteers. Ilmari -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] TDF Budget 2021
On 24.3.2021 20.46, Andreas Mantke wrote: Thus TDF has to evaluate the reasons for this poor execution and make improvements (especially for the time after the corona pandemic). If TDF will dodge on this topic, there will be from my opinion no valid reason to complain about a 'shortage' of volunteers in the LibreOffice project. I can't say I recognise your description as in 2021 alone I have onboarded over 130 volunteers and I'm not the only one doing this sort of thing. Ilmari -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
