Re: [board-discuss] TDF Advisory Board Members
Hi Michael, Simon, On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 11:59:27PM +, Simon Phipps wrote: > On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 11:16 PM Michael Meeks > wrote: > > > > Perhaps more measured than: Which shows that there are some measured and uncontroversial things that _need_ to be said in this situation and others that might be not universially shared. Given the urgency and ease of consensus in the first, TDF should focus on those in a timely manner. > Instead, I am asking the Board to suspend FSF's membership of TDF's > Advisory Board until such time as they regain the authority that led to > them being freely offered the role in the first place and which they have > squandered by their recent actions. I suggest the Board simply vote on this > action directly, in the light of all the available public information. I join Simons call here: for TDF to clearly act and do what is necessary. Given that some members already publicly put their association with the foundation on the line and more likely have done the same without going public, as a former director I ask the board to clearly show the colors of the foundation in the next 48 hours for the members it is representing to prevent further damage to its projects and community. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] TDF Advisory Board Members
Hi, On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 05:46:18PM +, Simon Phipps wrote: > I'll be more direct than Andreas in this matter. Given the FSF Board has > demonstrated[1] that it is aware that reappointing RMS would be regarded as > bad judgement by everyone at LibrePlanet, and given other organisations[2] > are choosing to disconnect FSF from their governance, TDF's Board should > also consider removal of FSF from their advisory board, at least > temporarily until it has achieved representative governance. Given recent events, I support this proposal by Simon for TDF to: - distance itself from FSF at minimum - and also consider removing FSF from TDFs advisory board immediately Any entity to make such a deliberate, yet ill-advised, self-defeating decision that sabotages its own stated goals should not be given a priviledged position in providing advise to the Document Foundation. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Project vs product (and some comments to product itself)
Hi, On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 10:47:50AM +0200, Telesto wrote: > And how does this differ from the development teams behind MSO, OnlyOffice? If you cant see how setting up a project where contributors work according to their own agenda, motivation, goals and ambitions compared to being directed by a centralized management which is not even contributing themselves is very different, I dont know how to help you. The first is the promise and hope of multi-agent open source. > I proposed already something about pay you're price. So prefilled 5 euro (my > adjust by income of the country); which can be adjusted by the customer. So > we get also an impression what people are willing to pay (for better > support/more bug fixes etc). Sure it would be nice if users would donate more. However, even if donations to TDF would increase by a factor of ten it would barely be enough to sustain the status quo from that alone without ecosystem and unpayed volunteer contributions. That is, if TDF would even be suited to effectively spend that money. The progress on tenders this year continues to show that to be challenging. So donations alone are unlikely to have an significant impact on the projects health now or in the near future. > is LibreOffice in such a bad shape? Based on your assessment I would expect > the user base to be larger ;-). You for some reason seem to still measure the success of LibreOffice by the size of its userbase. The LibreOffice project and TDF are the wrong place to discuss that, here it is all about contributors. _If_ you really want to eagerly talk about the size of a user base, I suggest you apply for a job in marketing at one of the ecosystem companies. Because unlike here, that is where that is where the number of users are relevant. > In a project you're allowed to break things and keep it that way for a > while, this bad for reputation for commercial product. LibreOffice is no commercial product and it has to take care about motivating its contributors. Case in point, that was one of the reason I created bibisect for LibreOffice QA back in the days. It was not primarily for users, but to keep the balance between different active contributors: With bibisect, each contributor was owning up responsibility for the impact of their contributions and made those transparent to the rest. But the forum that decided what is acceptable and what is not are the active contributors -- and nobody else. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Project vs product (and some comments to product itself)
Hi, On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 06:10:51PM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > Telesto wrote: > > From internal perspective (so within the organization of TDF) > > LibreOffice is viewed, managed, and functioning as a project. > > > and > > > LibreOffice for the end-user is pretty often associated with a > > product. > > > True, that is a good description of the status quo. Quite. A notable distinction is that the first reflects mostly a reality, while the second is only a perception that has no base in reality. Therefore one shouldnt build strategy on or conclusions from the latter, and focus on the former. And yes, the latter might be a hugely _popular_ perception in a specific audience. That still doesnt make it one bit true. Telestro wrote: > If I get beer for free from the brewery ... Software and beer markets are not acting the same. If I give away one beer for free, that leaves still a lot of beer of the same quality to be sold even in the same town. If I give away one specific software for free, nobody will buy software of the same quality anywhere on the world anymore. So lets not do beer analogies, please. Thorsten wrote: > I cannot speak for Bjoern, but what resonated well with me is the > "project over product" (or also called "community over code" > elsewhere) line. > > Which says, to be successful in the long term, the advise is to > generally favour community needs over user needs (and as a corollary, > also focus marketing on attracting more contributors, rather than more > users). That is a very good summary of the guidance I tried to express, thanks! Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Drafting "Tender for implementing support for a dedicated, built-in UNO object,inspection tool (Xray-built-in debugger)"
Hi Florian, all, On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 04:58:40PM +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: > I'd like to collect further feedback on this tender this week, and if there > is nothing controversial, move to publication afterwards. I wonder if it would make sense to link this old talk of mine in the tender or supporting material, as it provides code hints to some core components that might be helpful for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBNG6bVZPzw Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Personal Edition label and define is wrong.
Hi, On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 11:04:08AM +, toki wrote: > It might be useful to create a White Paper on migration to LibO > specifically for each size/class of potential user: > > Either the same, or a different White Paper could go into the virtues > and vices of ongoing paid support, for each business size/class. Maybe. OTOH, adoption without contribution is of no benefit to the project and as such the foundation should take a very close look if a bigger investment in an area really will yield contributions. > There is no might about those items. "might" might have been a bit of hyperbole, but only slightly: Im not aware of anyone trying to do a migration with 10 core developers and no trainers. On the other hand there have been way too many migration attempts with 10 trainers and no dev support (either from an ecosystem company or inhouse). All of those have hurt LibreOffice ultimately and were inresponsible by those involved with them. > One of the more frequent criticisms of LibreOffice, is that it does not > include an email client/communication centre. You call it the "one of the most frequent criticism of LibreoOffice", but its really one of the most fundamental misunderstandings about LibreOffice. LibreOffice is not a product -- its a project. As such it would have to be considered a tradegy, if there was possible set of contributors -- individual or institutional -- that the project could tap into, but failed to. For better or worse, that is not what happened wrt email. As a project, LibreOffice has to invest in areas where there is an opportunity for growth on _both_ sides of the project: need for a feature by users AND interest in contribution by contributors. Only then there can be a virtous circle of growth on both sides: contributions and adaption. Areas where there might be adoption, but little to no contribution are not sustainable and will become a burden to the project faster than a blink of an eye. At best, these areas are ignored by the project -- and there is absolutely no shame in that at all. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Personal Edition label and define is wrong.
Hi, On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:53:54AM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > What would be missing - as a value-proposition, or via TDF marketing - > to make it compelling for enterprises not to deploy LibreOffice > without support? I think TDF marketing should provide guidance on how running a successful major LibreOffice deployment without external support is set up, and what benefits this yields. This could be something along the lines of the following bulletpoints: To be successful: * You need approximately 1 experienced C++ developer per 2000 seats. * You need at least one certified core developer to onboard the others into the upstream project. * You need approximately one QA person per five developers. * Depending on circumstances, you might need ressources to support with documentation, translation and training. The benefits are -- if you have the experience and resources of leading such a team -- that you have a local team that will learn about your specific requirements, can solve the issues and even might spot and fix them before they impact your workforce. I would assume Munich (just before it was killed politically) is the most successful example of that and starting from scratch, it took them approximately a decade to get there. So anyone considering a major deployment of LibreOffice should wonder: * Does the experience of running such software development teams exist inhouse? * Does the entity have a decade to get the deployment and support team to run smoothly? If not, however, that is not the end of the story: In those cases there are ecosystem companies that are able to significantly help speeding up the bootstrap, so you dont have to wait ten years to get your return on investment. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Discussion about options available with marketing plan draft and timetable
Hi Alex, I wanted to limit myself to those four tweets on this discussion, but this one really rattles my bones, so here we go: On Thu, Jul 09, 2020 at 04:30:51PM +0200, Alexander Werner wrote: > I want to remind all of you what The Document Foundation is all about, > as stated in the *unalterable* statutes > (https://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/statutes/): > > "The objective of the foundation is the promotion and development of > office software available for use by anyone free of charge." - this does > not restrict the target audience. > > "This software will be openly available for free use by anyone for their > own files, including companies and public authorities, ensuring full > participation in a digital society and without detriment to intellectual > property." > > I would like to remind all members of the board of directors that first > and foremost you are obliged to pursue these statutes. As a consequence > you must not restrict the target audience of LibreOffice to a specific > user group in any way. While we go into full language lawyering here, The Document Foundation is a gemeinnuetzige Stiftung first and foremost. The "Gemeinnuetzig" in results in certain limits on what the goals of the Stiftung are and nothing in the statues can overrule that. Being a commercial grade service or support provider to random companies or public entities using productivity software is clearly NOT within these limits, and no motte and bailey sophistication about the implied interpretation of the foundations statues will change that or can make it the Document Foundations mission. There is quite a bit of excusable naivete going round in this discussion, which is understandable given that TDF needs to finally adapt to the changes that happened in the last decade, so there are a lot of fundamentals reevaluated here. Its not even wrong, as we need to find new ways, because the ones that worked a decade ago dont work anymore or will be failing soon. The above on the other hand overconfidently states implications that dont even stand basic scrutiny and deliver them as an argumentum ab auctoritate. As such, it should be ignored at best -- however, given the international community, not everyone might be comfortable in judging the core of that German legalese argument on their own. Worse than that, it doesnt even provide a constructive proposal on which way to develop the foundation and the community -- away from a status quo that is clearly less and less working. I am very happy that the new board attacks these hard challenges and am open and eager to hear each and every constuctive proposal on how to bring the projects and the community forward. I am also happy if fellow members of the community reread the statues to find guidance and ideas to find ways to make them work in the now. So in order for this project and this community to not die it first needs constructive proposals. Those can then be refined, improved and adjusted using institutional learnings we made over the last two decades. But it needs a constuctive proposal FIRST, because without it, there is nothing to refine or improve by our learnings. /end rant Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Feedback "Personal Edition"
Hello TDF board, all, since the board asked for feedback on the "Personal Edition" tagline and it was already amply provided by others, allow me to add my old contributor voice to this choir of opinions: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1280753358605881352.html Its short and fits in four tweets, so it wont steal much of your time. Thanks for your consideration. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Quarterly TDF 2020 Key Goals update
Hi Board, Hello fellow TDF members, the new TDF board is in office now for a quarter already. At the last in person meeting (FOSDEM, Bruessels), the board agreed to a set of seven goals for the next year, each with one to four key results attached to them. I wonder if the TDF membership can get an update by the board on these? On a casual search, I could not find these publicly on this list, so I am not copying them in here in case that is intentional(*). I am kindly asking the board to consider: 1/ publishing these goals and their key results either here (or if that is "too public", at least to the TDF membership) if that hasnt happened yet and clarify the audience it is intended for. 2/ Give the membership an update on each goal and key result after 3 months, especially: a/ reconfirmation: Is the goal/result still viable and agreed upon in the board? If not, why and how was it modified, replaced or dropped? What were the external changes leading to this? b/ status: Are we still "on-track" for the goal or result? Or is there significant risk of missing it? While most goals were set for a time horizon of ~one year, some intermediate results had explicit (or implicit a la "at LibreOffice conference") shorter timeframes of approximately 6 months set. Those should be easy to judge on their process as at least much of the preparation should be finished by now. c/ adjustments: If goals are confirmed, but not on-track, what changes can and will be attempted to rectify this. Who will take the lead on the specific topic? I understand from various smoke signs that the current board is in a stressful situation right now. However, I hope looking back at the original goals of the board at the start of this term might also help to focus its effort back on its shared mission: Things to be remembered for. I guess providing these updates as part of the next board meeting is reasonable -- esp. if the minutes are published in due time. Otherwise communicating this out-of-turn is fine for me too, if the board can agree on a position that way faster. Thanks and best regards, Bjoern (*) Which I would consider a bug. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] public vote resolution on TDC (The Document Collective)
Hi, On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 12:12:16PM +0200, Marina Latini wrote: > - > The Board RESOLVES to start creation of The Document Collective (TDC) > by taking the following acts: > - Broadly, to implement the concepts in the Board's Document "The > Document Collective" version 0.4 > (https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/6FLTHyR8kYTAjrY) > - Appoint a transitional leadership Group comprising Nicolas > Christener, Eike Rathke, Michael Meeks, Thorsten Behrens, Uwe Altmann > - Direct the Group to sign an agreement with Public Software CIC > hosting TDC as an unincorporated association > - Allocate a line of credit of €5 to be requested incrementally as > needed by Public Software CIC for TDC when the Group so directs, > to be returned once a surplus is available and at the Group's > discretion concerning timing and portioning, with the addition of 3% annual > interest. > - Grant Public Software CIC a trademark license for "LibreOffice" when > used in the context of an online application software store > - Direct the Group to initiate availability of LibreOffice for Mac OS > and Windows through the appropriate app stores for an appropriate fee > - Request the Group to take over making available Impress Remote and > LibreOffice Viewer if each or either proves appropriate for TDC > - Direct the Group to commission a mechanism to spend TDC's income > surplus in the manner agreed by the Board's Document > - Direct the Group to plan for the transfer of all TDC activities and > liabilities to an independent legal entity as soon as practical, > with governance implementing the concepts in the Board's Document. > - +1, supporting this. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Plone site & grief
Hi all, On Fri, Nov 09, 2018 at 03:47:50PM +0100, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > I think this might be a good occasion to ask our CoC volunteers for > help (in Cc) - some sort of moderation is perhaps possible? FWIW: I, for one, would appreciate such mediation. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Representation statement - Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, please find below my statement on representation by deputies for this term. Best, Bjoern statement: I, Björn Michaelsen, elected member of the board of directors of The Document Foundation, hereby and until further notice, nominate the following deputies to represent me during board calls and meetings, in the order set forth below: 1. Jan Holešovský 2. Simon Phipps 3. Osvaldo Gervasi -- Bjoern Michaelsen Deputy Chairman, Board of Directors Key fingerprint = C8BE 3F1F 92CB 2646 17FE 361D DCD9 C191 E48D BF5F The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [board-discuss] Acceptance of BoD role
Dear Gabriele, all, On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 10:57:52PM +0100, Gabriele Ponzo wrote: > Let me first take this opportunity to personally congratulate with you for > your election as member of the Board. > Then I kindly invite you to officially accept your position in the Board by > answering to this message with a "Reply all". Thank you for all the excellent work executing this election! Im happy to accept: I, Bjoern Michaelsen, elected Director of the Board of The Document Foundation, hereby accept this position within the Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts "The Document Foundation". My term will start February 18, 2018. Signed: Bjoern Michaelsen Ich, Bjoern Michaelsen, gewähltes Vorstandsmitglied der The Document Foundation, nehme mein Amt innerhalb der Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts "The Document Foundation" an. Meine Amtszeit beginnt am 18. Februar 2018. Unterzeichnet: Bjoern Michaelsen Best, Bjoern signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[board-discuss] Candidacy: Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, I hereby state that I will be running again for a Board of Directors seat with The Document Foundation. Im Bjoern Michaelsen and I am currently serving on the Board of Directors as an unaffilated individual. Before that I ensured LibreOffice to be properly released and maintained through half an alphabet on Ubuntu: from the first LibreOffice release (3.3) on Ubuntu Natty to LibreOffice 5.3 on Ubuntu Zesty. My current job is unrelated to LibreOffice. This unfortunately also limits the time I can donate to the project in various roles: as a developer, as a member of the ESC, as an organizer of events or fullfilling an administrative on the Board of Directors. But it also allows me to claim to be a truly independent voice. I spare you providing a long list of my prior contributors to the project, as they are a bad prediction of those in the future. Instead I will try to provide you with what I can bring to the role on the Board and what goals I am going to aim for: I served as a Director or Deputy on the Board of Directors of TDF since it was first incorporated, and along the way I learned insights in the finer details of the decisions and experiences made by TDFs Board of Directors. The hard core of these involve the allocation of the foundations resources: Its brands and donations. But I also understand and contributed to the softer points: TDF carefully using its public voice as a NGO for the greater good and its stated mission. I hope I will be able to bring this experience into the next term of the Board of Directors. I am encouraged to see strong contributors to the project as new candidates in this election and hope to share the duty of serving with them, together providing a strong and reasonable voice of independent and unaffiliated input in the Board. Ultimately, I hope after this one last term can confidently leave TDFs Board with many new diverse and independent voices in all parts of the project anf foundation and retire back to spend my contributions more on e.g. the code of the project again. Beyond that my goals for the TDF projects, LibreOffice and the Document Liberation Project are: - focus on growth for the whole project cycle: The project obviously provides a product (releases of software). Those products in turn need to provide the project -- esp. with contributors as more helping hands are always needed in all areas of the project - growth and diversity: The project should continue to grow and diversify: geographically, socially and by affiliations. Both will help hardening the project against external forces. - experience is key: Product and project need to come closer, and using the former should be a temptation to also take part in the latter wherever possible. We should 2always look for opportunities to improve here. - sharing knowledge: LibreOffice/DLP have grown to use more and more bleeding edge development and project tools and proccesses. We should offer to showcase and make them accessible to observers, researchers and teachers in education and elsewhere. Those learning from us might very well benefit us with their contributions. 75-words version: I bring lot of experience from prior work on TDFs governance and am an unaffiliated contributor to LibreOffice. I think the key to the success of LibreOffice is in the project and seeking growth for it by improving the experience for contributors and raising the visibility of our community and the opportunities for contribution. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Hackfests, the next generation: A Call To Action
Hi Regina, first off: Sorry for taking so long to reply. On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 03:16:04PM +0200, Regina Henschel wrote: > I would like to participate in such a Hackfest. I know, I do not belong to > the targeted category of persons, but I want to code, and I could help in > testing, whether a tutorial is really suitable for a beginner. Actually I think you are a perfect candidates for the new Hackfest! Why shoouldnt you be? You: - have a topic that, if we pursue it, benefits the foundations goals and the community of LibreOffice as a whole. - are an enthusiastic independant volunteer with no CoI. - are qualified and motivated to verify that someone TDF hires to put by your side to attack your topics, did their duty to proceed the topic. Your suggested topics: > As example I suggest layer handling in Draw, e.g these issues > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101218 > ODF as a child element of not supported > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67248 > FILEOPEN Layer with reserved name vanishes when changing UI language > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91829 > DRAW: Layout, Controls and Dimension Lines need improvement > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101242 > ODF draw:display and draw:protected attributes of not > supported as thus duely noted to be topic for the Hackfest and TDF will try to hire a certified developer to help support you with these issues. As a note to the wider TDF/LibreOffice community: What Regina did here is awesome and exactly what we are looking for. In fact, Eike and me still have a workitem to pick out some of the more challenging EasyHacks to find something that: - would benefit from an certified developer supporting the topic - is roughly in scope for the Hackfest (plus some preparation and aftermath) - meets the goals of the foundation and the LibreOffice community at large (not a special interest) - will find an enthusiastic volunteer willing to learn more and able broadly verify the certified developer did indeed push the topic forward in the time given So if you are an enthusiastic volunteer (like Regina) willing to come to a next generation Hackfest and have such a topic that you care about and which would benefit from support LET US KNOW. A hard part for Eike and me finding topics is actually second-guessing where we might find interested volunteers attending the Hackfest for the topic. Someone stepping up "I care about this and would go to a Hackfest" like Regina just did is a huge help. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] 2017-09-17 14:30 UTC: HackfestTNG, next call
On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 08:55:07AM +0100, Shinnok wrote: > I think I should be in the next one? Please do! ;) Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[board-discuss] 2017-09-17 14:30 UTC: HackfestTNG, next call
Hi, On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 12:26:47AM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > This is date & time: > > - Sunday September 3rd, 2017 16:30 CEST/Berlin time (14:30 UTC) > > https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=2=9=2017=37=1800 > - Dial-in worldwide as per > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Talkyoo >Room number to type after dial in: 21 24 86 # > > Please join. ;) thanks for everyone participating. We will repeat the call same time, 14 days later: - Sunday, September 17th, 2017 16:30 CEST Berlin time (14:30 UTC) Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[board-discuss] 2017-09-03 14:30 UTC: HackfestTNG, first call
Hi all, This is the agenda: On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 12:32:44PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > I hope to be able to set up a conference call on next Sunday (September > 3rd, 2017) european afternoon. Sunday afternoon as it should allow as many > interested volunteer community members to join as possible. I (or Florian) > will announce the time here[1]. > - We will also talk about topics for the Hackfest during the call, but it wont > be as urgent as time and location right now. This is date & time: - Sunday September 3rd, 2017 16:30 CEST/Berlin time (14:30 UTC) https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=2=9=2017=37=1800 - Dial-in worldwide as per https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Talkyoo Room number to type after dial in: 21 24 86 # > If you are interested in any of these topics, please feel most invited to join > the call! Please join. ;) Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[board-discuss] Re: Hackfests, the next generation: A Call To Action
Hi all, On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 10:30:58PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > If you are interested in helping with this, either as: > > - someone on the ground helping to organize the Hackfest > - someone who wants to pair program with a hired certified developer at a > Hackfest > - someone who is just interested in joining the Hackfest in general > - someone who helps fleshing out the details of this idea > > feel free to contact me. I will try to set up a team of people interested in > getting this off the ground. As noted above, if this proves to be successful, > this might be the start of something excited and big bringing this community > and project to a new level! The initial feedback here on and off board-discuss@ is encouraging, so here are the next steps: - I created a wiki-page to collect ideas on this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfests/HackfestTNG Please feel free to contribute ideas, hints and comments there! - The next task is to nail down a date and location for the event. There is already some interest from some local communities on this (see wiki). I hope to be able to set up a conference call on next Sunday (September 3rd, 2017) european afternoon. Sunday afternoon as it should allow as many interested volunteer community members to join as possible. I (or Florian) will announce the time here[1]. - We will also talk about topics for the Hackfest during the call, but it wont be as urgent as time and location right now. If you are interested in any of these topics, please feel most invited to join the call! Best, Bjoern [1] I'll ask Florian to setup the details. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[board-discuss] Hackfests, the next generation: A Call To Action
Hi all, I recently had a look at a variety of challenges the LibreOffice community is facing wrt Hackfests and especially also tenders: Status Quo == - due to a set of reasons based in the size of the project, the scope and selection of tender topics, the rules of properly running an NGO and the distibution of skilsets and available time in the BoD it is a lot harder to oversee the tenders for TDF than it would be for a for-profit organization. - also, for historic reasons mostly, these tasks have been limited to the BoD mostly, while as an open disttributed and tranmsparent community we should not needlessly concentrate this work: rather the challenges and solutions should be shared as widely as possible in the community (and beyond). - the waterfall modelled tenders have no iterative approach. Because of this they also tend to be mostly quite small, leading to significant overhead at both TDF and for the business implementing the tender. - contracting out tender in bulk in a blackbox fashion naturally limits the ressources spend on documentation of discovered challenges. It thereby also needlessly limits the educational output to the community. There is such output, but it clearly could be better. - beyond that we reduced doing Hackfests ~2 years ago, limiting the exchange of knowledge they provide. - Unlike in the good old days, we dont have urgent infrastructual problems and the like to solve that would rally developers around topics. So motivation for certified devs to attend has shrunk. And those that do attend usually use the facetime for syncing on various issues, while the actual work on the code is somewhat limited. Even more when there is an emergency at the (professional) developers employer (Unfortunately, there often is.) Suggested new format So everyone hip in the last decade would see the words "waterfall", "non-iterative", "controlling overhead" would scream "get agile" from the top of their lungs. In general that might solve the practical problems, but as agile is essentially a way to move the customer in close enough to create the trust and bond allowing the overhead to go away, that is exactly what we need to watch out for and avoid: the foundation should not bind itself too close to any single commercial provider of services in its core operations. But maybe revitalizing Hackfests are an opportunity here. Here is a suggested new format: - TDF selects a small of the tenderable topics (6 man days) - TDF selects a "product owner" for the topic (could be an TDF employee or a qualified and motivated TDF member) - TDF hires 2 certified developers from LibreOffices companies for 3 days each - TDF offers 2 days "development training" to its members, but also to the general community: ideally we select four people for this. - All are invited to a two day Hackfest. - Hired consultants are expect to pair program with one of the volunteers on each day, with the hired person not distracted by other business and doing the main effort with the paired volunteer focusing on learning. - On each day, one of the hired developers works on the projector of the room, allowing other partcipants to the Hackfest to observe and learn. - Closing the day, each paired team will give a 5-15 minutes lightning talk on their progress and challenges over the day. This presentation should be done by the paired volunteer to the best of their ability and recorded e.g. by TDF staff for publication. - Rest of the extra booked day should be used for a 1-hour prep Hangouts, follow ups and overtime. - Selected paired volunteers should ideally be 50% certified or uncertified developers and at least 25% volunteers active in non-development areas (e.g. documentation, l10n ...). - Beyond this, it will be a "normal" Hackfest allowing others to mix an mingle. What this might solve (hopefully) = - Controlling and the need to proof due diligence going away as it is performed right in the open and self-documented, reducing the vast redtape needed to set up and run tenders in the first place - the involving the broader community is much more involved in this major aspect of the foundations work - the community gets a much better transparency on the real cost and challenges of development - we approach a more iterative/agile approach without being hit by the challenges this usually implies for an NGO - we provide clear and visible progress and effort on education for the community and the general public - we might help onboarding of new developers and make LibreOffice more interesting for contribution - if this works on this 4-6 man day scale, we might consider extending it (e.g. a three developer week[1] with prep is already a 21 man day project) There has already been some internal feedback from a smaller circle I shared this with first: There was some concern (one pointing out this new format
Re: [board-discuss] Harassment and lack of code of conduct
Hi Michael, Bubli, Im late to this discussion, sorry. On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 01:28:11PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > I'm aware of some sensitive situations in the past that have been > handled adroitly by some community members. At some conference or other > we had had a: "If you have any concerns talk to Bubli or Michael" > announcement early at the beginning - I forget the language; that seems > entirely appropriate for the project as a whole. That was LibreOffice conference 2012 Berlin, mostly on my initiative. Bubli wrote: > The most frequent (and in fact the only) argument I hear when mentioning code > of conduct, or the fact that TDF has no code of conduct to be precise, is "but > but but, we're such a bunch of nice guys, nothing bad has ever happened here, > nobody has ever been harassed, so why bother, why restrict freedom of speech > preemptively etc." FWIW, I certainly considered asking to implement a CoC for TDF. The reason for not doing so was not the above, but that I feared a community with a CoC that is not acted upon is even worse off than one without a CoC[1]. Seeing that we never even repeated the basic announce of contact persons that we did at the Berlin conference made me somewhat reluctant to push the topic. Seeing the discussion here, it seems though there apparently now is wider support for a CoC now that will not only be rubberstamped, but also acted upon -- which is encouraging. So yes, this really should be a topic at FOSDEM. Best, Bjoern [1] Because you can only introduce a CoC that is trusted by those that need it once. Trust is an account that you cannot deposit to once it got sour. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] 3 proposed items for the Agenda of the BoD Call of Feb 29
Hi, On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 07:40:44PM +0100, Osvaldo Gervasi wrote: > KNOWING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY > > I'm confident such information will be tremendously useful in the future. So the MC is tasked with tracking this and not every member is eager to share all achievements in widely public. So how will such information -- beyond what will/should be provided by preexisting work on the "All about LibreOffice" Dashboard[1] using existing public sources be useful in the future? Also note that maybe we should get the work on the Dashboard finished, before we extend the scope even further. ;) > HELPING NEWB DEVELOPERS > --- > (Ian involved) > > I propose to set up a training environment from where a newbie eager to > contribute to LibreOffice can practice, > without getting lost in the series of steps required to activate a local > environment from where the source > code can be compiled. > > The proper environment will be set up later, once the newbie got to know how > developers of LibreOffice are > used to work. So this is also trying to revitalize prior work, I assume? https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/742 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfests/VMs/Using_a_VM Apparently the task was closed due to lack of interest[2] for now, which might change now that we have a Development mentor. Great to see initiative there, but what exactly is there to discuss from on the Board? > INVOLVING UNIVERSITIES On this, we should also build on prior work, namely our cooperations with: - ULPGC, Gran Canaria, Spain (2 Hackfests, one upcoming) - TU Dresden, Germany (1 Hackfest) - Scientific and Technological Research Council, Turkey (one upcoming Hackfest) Getting them involved in those developments would be wise. More maybe in the call. Best, Bjoern [1] https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2015/10/01/tender-for-design-and-implementation-of-all-about-libreoffice-community-and-developer-dashboard-201510-01/ [2] https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/742#note-20 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[board-discuss] Re: Accepting my position in the Board (Bjoern Michaelsen)
Hi all, I, Bjoern Michaelsen, elected Deputy Director of the Board of The Document Foundation, hereby accept this position within the Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts "The Document Foundation". My term will start February 18, 2016. Signed: Bjoern Michaelsen Ich, Bjoern Michaelsen, gewähltes Ersatz-Vorstandsmitglied der The Document Foundation, nehme mein Amt innerhalb der Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts "The Document Foundation" an. Meine Amtszeit beginnt am 18. Februar 2016. Signed: Bjoern Michaelsen -- Bjoern Michaelsen Member, Board of Directors Key fingerprint = C8BE 3F1F 92CB 2646 17FE 361D DCD9 C191 E48D BF5F The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[board-discuss] Re: [tdf-members] Preliminary results 2015 Elections TDF Board of Directors
Hi, On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 02:18:26AM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > This piece matches my pocket calculation too =) and FWIW; I think it's > good to have Marina at the top of the list for several reasons; though > personally I'm not a fan of any special difference between elected > Directors based on ordering. Yes, I think for future elections we should publish the elected candidates in alphabetical order only. If we want to give hints to the upcoming board who is a good candidate to become Chairwomen/Chairman, we should list the first rank votes after the name, but not the "order" of elected candidates from a voting system that was never designed to provide a preference between the elected candidates. For the selection of the Chairwomen/Chairman -- where there is only one seat -- this vote actually makes a lot of sense. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Re: [tdf-members] Preliminary results 2015 Elections TDF Board of Directors
Hi, On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 03:26:31PM +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: > To choose a chairperson from the votes, we could pick the Condorcet > winner as Chairperson :) (there usually is one, even though not > mathematically guaranteed). Note that we are not even using Condorcet voting for electing the directors and deputies. > (Unless the elected body chooses its own chairperson which seems to be the > case here.) Indeed they do. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Questions for the candidates to the board of directors of the Document Foundation
ime. Both LibreOffice and the Document Foundation grew through both skill and also a fair share of luck. Yet our current position isnt something that can not be taken as a given: A lot will change over the upcoming two years. Without getting reckless, we need to stay hungry and stay foolish. As we continue to grow, the biggest challenge will be to adapt the project to scale along. As for opportunities: The LibreOffice 5.0 release finally established us a strong and unchallenged fundament to grow our user share and by extension the numbers of contributors and contributions we will need to accommodate for making open source productivity the default for everyone. I am looking forward to face these challenges. Best, Bjoern -- Bjoern Michaelsen Member, Board of Directors Key fingerprint = C8BE 3F1F 92CB 2646 17FE 361D DCD9 C191 E48D BF5F The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[board-discuss] Candidacy: Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, I hereby state that I will be running again for a Board of Directors seat with The Document Foundation. Im Bjoern Michaelsen, the Ubuntu maintainer for LibreOffice and am working for Canonical. I have been elected to be a deputy to the board of directors of the Document Foundation in the first election, and am serving as a full member of the board since November 2013. I have been a contributor to LibreOffice since long before the Document Foundation became incorporated to be its steward and a contributor to this codebase even longer. While I do work in quite a few of TDFs formal and informal bodies (the Board of Directors, the Engieering Steering Committee, the Certification Committee) I try to keep up at least casual code contributions to LibreOffice itself. OpenHub tells me that -- at least by commit count as of today -- I continue to be in the Top Twenty of code contributors over the last 12 months. Beyond coding I had a role in a wide set of efforts and projects in LibreOffice, for example: - I helped LibreOffice getting rid of the old OOo build system - I started bibisect to allow QA to pinpoint regressions more quickly - I helped with administrative task needed for the Document Foundation, e.g. interacting with authorities, representing the Stiftung and boring banking administration - I helped kickstarting the LibreOffice QA community that these days thankfully going strong all by itself - I helped organize and coordinate LibreOffice events, from conferences to Hackfests - represented and advertised LibreOffice at a wide range of events - steamlined EasyHacks to be easily found and maintained and kept up-to-date for mentors via Bugzilla - helped the execution of tendering the Android work from the foundations side, navigating quite a few challenges this posts to an NGO - helped setting up other tenders and job positions, interviewing candidates - contributed in kickstarting some of TDFs employees into the crazy world of our project - encouraged, supported and pushed to get LibreOffice to use tools and means to improve the onboarding for newcomers: e.g. the recent TDF hiring of a mentor, but also gerrit code-review and CI To biggest challenge for LibreOffice as a project continues to be bridging the gaps from end users and enterprise users over casual contributors to core developers and helping everyone to strive towards our common goals. As LibreOffice grows, I will continue to support efforts to bring together contributors from different backgrounds to ensure we push LibreOffice, the product and the project, to new heights. 75-words version: Im a longtime contributor to the LibreOffice codebase and maintain LibreOffice packages on Ubuntu. While I do work in quite a few of TDFs formal and informal bodies, I am still regulary active on the code. Beyond that I did take part and led various efforts beyond pure code at both TDF and for LibreOffice: from administration, training to organization and coordination. I aim to help LibreOffice to continue to grow organically. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Re: Grant Request: Madrid Hackfest, December 2015
Hi, On Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 12:27:59AM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > On Sat, Nov 07, 2015 at 08:30:55PM -0500, Marc Paré wrote: > > Could you point me to details of the hackfest? I would like to add it to our > > events calendar. > > Ill pop up a wiki page once the funding is approved. Page is created at: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Madrid2015 Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Re: Grant Request: Madrid Hackfest, December 2015
On Sat, Nov 07, 2015 at 08:30:55PM -0500, Marc Paré wrote: > Could you point me to details of the hackfest? I would like to add it to our > events calendar. Ill pop up a wiki page once the funding is approved. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[board-discuss] Grant Request: Madrid Hackfest, December 2015
Hi, please find attached the grant request for a Hackfest in December in Madrid shared with GNOME as discussed during the ESC calls. Thank you for your consideration. Best, Bjoern -- Bjoern Michaelsen Member, Board of Directors Key fingerprint = C8BE 3F1F 92CB 2646 17FE 361D DCD9 C191 E48D BF5F The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint madrid.odt Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text
Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] Proposal for Budget Process
Hi, On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 02:12:41PM +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: I ask the board to vote on this, so we can formalize the process. Approving this. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] cooperation with Do-FOSS?
Hi, On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 01:38:40AM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: this looks rather supportable to me. Same here. Do-FOSS does quite some good noise about OSS including us, which is well appreciated. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[board-discuss] Board report 1st quarter 2015: events
Hi all, In the first quarter of 2015 the following events took place with TDF participation: - LibreOffice was present at FOSDEM 2015 with many presentations in a dev room: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/FOSDEM https://fosdem.org/2015/schedule/track/open_document_editors/ https://colonelqubit.wordpress.com/2015/01/30/up-up-and-away-to-fosdem/ - There where two european Hackfests: - Bruessels: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/FOSDEM2015 - Las Palmas de Gran Canaria: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/GranCanaria2015 In the U.S. TDF/LibreOffice was present at two open source events: - Scale: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/SCALE - LibrePlanet: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/LibrePlanet Best, Bjoern -- Bjoern Michaelsen Member, Board of Directors Key fingerprint = C8BE 3F1F 92CB 2646 17FE 361D DCD9 C191 E48D BF5F The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[board-discuss] Board report 1st quarter 2015: development
Hi all, Here is a summary what happened in development in quarter 1 of 2015: - three parts of the Android tender have been implemented by contractors of TDF: - work packages 1 and 2 were implemented by Collabora - work package 4 was implemented by Igalia - development of LibreOffice towards the next major release after 4.4 continues at a steady pace: https://www.openhub.net/p/libreoffice - LibreOffice takes part at GSoC and has received a good load of applications - quite a few new GSoC students have been working on EasyHacks - continued work towards a native 64-bit Windows version - preparations for google phasing out OpenID (for gerrit) - Bugzilla migration - continued supervision of master branch with crash testing and document validation, thanks to Markus - Improved CI and testing of sumbitted changes with gerrit/Jenkins, thanks to Norbert - good stats on branch health, thanks to Norbert - a push to create more EasyHacks for newcomer onboarding - discussions on the technical implication of changing versioning schemes - a tentative attempt at advertizing tasks in LibreOffice beyond EasyHacks, thanks to Markus - ongoing work on refactoring Vcls resource management on a separate branch (feature/vclref) - cleanup of old unmaintained change proposals from gerrit patch review Best, Bjoern -- Bjoern Michaelsen Member, Board of Directors Key fingerprint = C8BE 3F1F 92CB 2646 17FE 361D DCD9 C191 E48D BF5F The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[board-discuss] Board report 1st quarter 2015: releases schedules
Hi, During the first quarter of 2015: - there had been no changes to releases schedules - a different versioning scheme for the next major release has been discussed - LibreOffice 4.3.6 has been released (with two release candidates) - LibreOffice 4.4.0 has been released (with two release candidates in addition to the RC1 from 2014-Q4) - LibreOffice 4.4.1 has been released (with two release candidates) - LibreOffice 4.4.2 has been prepared for release with two release candidates - there had been no major unpunctualities or deviations from train-model release schedule Best, Bjoern -- Bjoern Michaelsen Member, Board of Directors Key fingerprint = C8BE 3F1F 92CB 2646 17FE 361D DCD9 C191 E48D BF5F The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[board-discuss] Vote on changed rules of procedure
Hi, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: based on an offlist discussion, I hereby propose the board to vote on changing the rules of procedure. § 3, the internal delegation of responsibilites, should be adapted. Andreas Mantke, so far listed for contracts, taxes, legal compliance, trademarks and brands, currently lacks time for this area, and therefore wants to be removed from this particular item. I personally would like to thank him for his hard and good work on this topic, which - knowing from my own experiences - can be quite tedious and hard at times. So far, no other takers have shown up, so unless one board member or deputy shows up in this thread and takes over responsibility, the proposal is to rephrase § 3 as follows: == §3. Internal delegation of responsibilities - Internally, the board has decided on the following split of responsibilities: employees: Andreas Mantke, Thorsten Behrens infrastructure: Andreas Mantke, Norbert Thiebaud QA: Joel Madero, Eliane Domingos de Sousa documentation: Eliane Domingos de Sousa native language projects, translation, marketing, non-English QA activities etc: Fridrich Štrba, Adam Fyne certifications and other business development activities: Eliane Domingos de Sousa, Joel Madero development: Björn Michaelsen, Eike Rathke license: Michael Meeks, Fridrich Štrba releases including schedules: Michael Meeks, Björn Michaelsen events: Björn Michaelsen, Fridrich Štrba affiliations, e.g. advisory board, peer foundations, politics: Michael Meeks, Andreas Mantke, Björn Michaelsen marketing, communication design: Eliane Domingos de Sousa, Adam Fyne assets, finance: Thorsten Behrens, Norbert Thiebaud contracts, taxes, legal compliance, trademarks and brands: Thorsten Behrens == For comparison, the current effective version of the rules of procedure is available at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/BoD_rules +1 from me. Thanks for your work, Andreas. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Design team leads
Hi Mirek, On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 05:56:35PM +0200, Mirek M. wrote: Astron told me that the idea to have positions within the design team was not well-received and that I should discuss it with you. What do you find problematic about having positions within the team? To be clear, leads would be there to make sure that things get done, that the process by which they get done produces the best results, and to resolve controversial issues if they arise. as others have aleady expressed, electing such titles and granting them on extended timeframes has historically proven to be a hazard. I believe in With great power comes great responsibility, or corollary: power should always be based on current resposibilities. To give you an example, Ubuntu has the concept of a patch pilot: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews#Patch_Pilots whos prime responsibility is to welcome newcomers over a certain timeframe (a day/a week). There is a natural authority derived from those doing duty on those, without any need for granting titles or elections. It also usually keeps those most involved with growing and progressing the team by doing onboarding work -- which admittedly often is not the most attractive task -- in high regard and prevents title-envy as everyone knows the work attached to the authority. Now, I dont know if and how that can be translated to the design team. One (likely stupid) idea would be to have an email alias for onboarding newcomers and anyone decently skilled(*) can join that alias and help newcomers asking questions to it. In general, if things are not completely broken in the project, those who do the most work there in helping others should naturally grow authority in the design project. Then again, the same thing should work on a mailing list -- but a onboarding mail alias _might_ make more obvious who is doing most in onboarding newcomers and who is mostly following his or her own agenda(**). Just my two eurocents -- I admittedly dont have to deep an insight into the design team structure. Best, Bjoern (*) use common sense here, like for direct commit access for developers (**) which might be perfectly fine, but isnt the best prerequisite for leadership work -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[board-discuss] Representation in my absence
I, Bjoern Michaelsen, elected member of the board of The Document Foundation, hereby and until further notice, nominate the following deputies to represent me during board calls, in the order set forth below: 1. Deputy Andreas Mantke 2. Deputy Eike Rathke 3. Deputy Norbert Thiebaud Best, Bjoern -- Bjoern Michaelsen Member, Board of Directors Key fingerprint = C8BE 3F1F 92CB 2646 17FE 361D DCD9 C191 E48D BF5F The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint signature.asc Description: Digital signature
[board-discuss] Hackfest Hamburg 2013 budget estimates
Hi, Id like to raise the totral budget for the Hackfest in Hamburg 2013 (from the Hackfests part of the development budget) to 1500EUR. @Caolan, Michael: Could you sign this off? Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[board-discuss] Adjustments to the QA budget usage: netbooks, contest budget
Hi, Recent developments have caused me and Norbert to adjust the use of the QA budget as follows: - we will only buy three netbooks for QA triagers now (at 300EUR each) - we reserve up to 200 EUR for the top five contributors during the contest - we reserve addditional up to 200 EUR for swag for the first 10 newcomers reaching 10 contributed bug triages With this we still are in the total QA budget of 1800 EUR. I have updated: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/BoD_Budget#QA_budget Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Re: 2013 budget draft - TDF Budget as of 2013-01-14
Hi, On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 02:06:19PM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: The QA netbooks have already been discussed on QA Call. The idea is to have a budget for a set of netbooks that we can give publically as prizes to our most active QA contributors in QA marathons and triage contests. A few addition given the discussion: We will likely lend the netbooks to a set of QA volunteers. And those machines are not intended to let our QA volunteers play Starcraft, but to be able to triage -- possibly on multiple platforms -- without busting their usual work machine. Why only QA? Because QA did organize quite a few events (Bug Hunting Sessions, QA Marathons, QA Wochenende) making me confident they have the manpower to organize this. I did hard work to support Rainer, Joel, Florian and other to get QA rolling over the last year. Once other parts of the project get there, the same applies to them -- I am confident at that point they will file their own budget requests. Note also this is an opportunity that presented itself: E.g. for developers we cant easily do this as a developer machine for LibreOffice is quite a bit more expensive. Best, Bjoern
Re: [board-discuss] Re: 2013 budget draft - TDF Budget as of 2013-01-14
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 01:48:31PM +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: QA netbooks (Björn) I'm Cc'ing those three. We have been working internally on the budget first, to have some starting point, and those three requests came in. These requests have not been decided on yet (on purpose, so the board has no advantage over the public lists), we want to discuss this here in public, so Olivier, Björn and Charles should elaborate on the plans. ;-) The QA netbooks have already been discussed on QA Call. The idea is to have a budget for a set of netbooks that we can give publically as prizes to our most active QA contributors in QA marathons and triage contests. The idea is that this will: - motivate our current volunteers - growth our triager community - allow triagers who have been using one platform only to have a dedicated system for dual-boot Windows and Linux without any interruption of their daily work - same for versions As netbooks for testing and triaging are available now for 200-300EUR this IMHO something well worth it. There are still some tricky details to work out and discuss like: - how to get them to the volunteers without too much extra cost (shipping/handing them over at HackFests) - how to set the rules on 'winning' one of these without making it too complex or to easy to game the system Proposals on how to fix this for the next bug triage contest/QA marathon are most appreciated of course! Best, Bjoern
[steering-discuss] Re: confcall tomorrow
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:45:38PM +0200, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 10/28/2011 12:05 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: tomorrow, at 1400 UTC, the next conference call takes place. Right now, we are in a transition phase from the Steering Committee to the Board of Directors, so I would like to explicitly invite those who are new with us to join this call. It would be ideal if we had most SC and BoD members to hand over the duties. I might have REAL problems in getting a connection, as I am in Prague and I definitely cannot use my mobile to make the call (as it will cost a fortune). I will try to find a place with a free wifi connection, to use either skype or my voip provider to make the call. Also being on the road, I just installed the google-talk plugin for Firefox and could dial into the US confcall number for free, so if you have wifi, that might also be an option. Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] Re: confcall tomorrow
Florian Effenberger floeff at documentfoundation.org writes: tomorrow, at 1400 UTC, the next conference call takes place. Right now, we are in a transition phase from the Steering Committee to the Board of Directors, so I would like to explicitly invite those who are new with us to join this call. It would be ideal if we had most SC and BoD members to hand over the duties. I just arrived in Orlando, got setup in the Hotel, so I should be able to join. If not, I have just been to optimistic wrt to the infrastructure here. ;) Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
