Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, October 17th at 1800 Berlin time (UTC+2)
Hi Cor, On 17/10/2022 11:09, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi, Paolo Vecchi wrote on 17/10/2022 10:13: I'm the one being accused of something so I believe it's my right to have that session in public. We're still talking about an investigation. We are talking about a public investigation as accusations, defence and previous session were public. Of course there is and will be all room for you to give your input. I've already provided my input and up to now there has been no feedback from the board. That's why I created that public item so that Thorsten can provide some updates. And IIRC you defended yourself at the previous meeting. IMO not at all as quick and clear as you promised, but.. I did and as promised it was a quick introduction to my defence that responds in a clear way to all the accusations. You wrote your explanation on the investigation. There will be a reply and then it's good to talk again. I'm still waiting for the reply and that's why I created an agenda item for Thorsten to provide us with some updates in public. This is an important matter as all directors should explicitly declare their personal interests and CoIs which should anyway be made public as from art. 8 of our statutes. AFAIK there have been no CoI declarations during the 2 terms I've been in the board so maybe we should look at the situation to make sure there are no doubts at all that directors and deputies acted in a proper way. For some reasons the process started with me but it would be great if all directors were showing their willingness to be under same public scrutiny. Who wants to be next? You Cor? Greetings, Cor Ciao Paolo -- Paolo Vecchi - Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, October 17th at 1800 Berlin time (UTC+2)
Hi, Paolo Vecchi wrote on 17/10/2022 10:13: I'm the one being accused of something so I believe it's my right to have that session in public. We're still talking about an investigation. Of course there is and will be all room for you to give your input. And IIRC you defended yourself at the previous meeting. IMO not at all as quick and clear as you promised, but.. You wrote your explanation on the investigation. There will be a reply and then it's good to talk again. Greetings, Cor -- Cor Nouws, member Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 mobile : +31 (0)6 25 20 7001 skype : cornouws blog: cor4office-nl.blogspot.com jabber : cor4off...@jabber.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, October 17th at 1800 Berlin time (UTC+2)
On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 4:09 AM Thorsten Behrens wrote: > > There are good reasons to have a quick private discussion on the matter. > Not least the appaling, performative, chaotic behaviour and disrespect for the chair and order of the meeting that we saw at the last meeting. It is right for the Board to handle this in closed session to remove the audience that was being played-to. S.
Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, October 17th at 1800 Berlin time (UTC+2)
Hi all, On 17/10/2022 05:09, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Hi all, Andreas Mantke wrote: if the person concerned (like in this case) has no issue to discuss the topic in public there shouldn't be any reason to handle this in private. There are good reasons to have a quick private discussion on the matter. If there were good reason to have the meeting in private I would have expected to see supporting evidence shared with the board before the agenda was set. As of this morning nothing has been shared that would justify having even part of it in private. I'm also the one that asked for that item to be put in the agenda and in the public section to get Thorsten to provide an update on the case. Of course, if the rest of the board agrees, we can move all, or part of that discussion to the public part. Why should this excuse be used again for the same matter? I'm the one being accused of something so I believe it's my right to have that session in public. Cheers, -- Thorsten Ciao Paolo -- Paolo Vecchi - Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, October 17th at 1800 Berlin time (UTC+2)
Hi all, Andreas Mantke wrote: > if the person concerned (like in this case) has no issue to discuss the > topic in public there shouldn't be any reason to handle this in private. > There are good reasons to have a quick private discussion on the matter. Of course, if the rest of the board agrees, we can move all, or part of that discussion to the public part. Cheers, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, October 17th at 1800 Berlin time (UTC+2)
Hi all, Am 14.10.22 um 15:52 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Dear Community, find below the agenda for our TDF board meeting with a public part, and followed by a private part on Monday, October 17 at 1800 Berlin time at https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/TDFBoard For time zone conversion, see e.g. https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?p1=37=49=107=20221017T18 ## AGENDA: (...) ### Private Part (...) 8. Status Report: Status of prelim CoI investigation (Thorsten Behrens, tdf-board, 5 mins) Reason for privacy: legal topics if the person concerned (like in this case) has no issue to discuss the topic in public there shouldn't be any reason to handle this in private. It is his right to ask for discussing his matter in public and the board has to accept this application. Putting a legal sticker on a topic is no justification to handle it in private (especially not if there is no request from the person concerned). There are valuable reasons why judicial proceedings are generally done in public in democratic countries. Regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, October 17th at 1800 Berlin time (UTC+2)
Hi all, On 14/10/2022 15:52, Thorsten Behrens wrote: 8. Status Report: Status of prelim CoI investigation (Thorsten Behrens, tdf-board, 5 mins) Reason for privacy: legal topics the above item is the CoI investigation against myself for which both the accusations and the defence have been made public. It is my right to have the public being informed about the progress of this investigation and to demonstrate that TDF's board is willing to be open and transparent even about these issues. There is no reason for it to be discussed in private as, even after repeated requests, no new elements surfaced and there are anyway no sensitive legal topics attached to the item. Ciao Paolo -- Paolo Vecchi - Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
