[Boston.pm] certification update

2005-11-14 Thread Tom Metro
FYI, for those interested in certification... Perlcast 13[1] (from back in June) makes mention of a new vendor offering a Perl certification test (60 questions, 2 hours), which links to high-levelcert.com. Apparently they didn't last long, as the site appears to be dead at the moment (what's

Re: [Boston.pm] Certification

2005-03-01 Thread James Freeman
Here, here... The perl community already has a certification that matters and would convince any PHB that the person they were hiring was a good candidate. The Perl Advocacy question is a separate one for reasons I will show below. In short our current certification goes like this,

RE: [Boston.pm] Certification

2005-03-01 Thread John Redford
typing than expressing an opinion. Now, to address Greg's message below... From: Greg London Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 11:10 PM Subject: [Boston.pm] Certification I think I just figured out why this conversation is going nowhere. The pro-certification folks think that certification

Re: [Boston.pm] certification

2005-02-28 Thread Tom Metro
Bogart Salzberg wrote: How about an intermediate step: self-testing. Others have already mentioned Brainbench. 3 or 4 years ago I actually saw a few Perl programmer resumes with Brainbench certifications listed. I'm sure if a bunch of Perl people wanted to write a better test, Brainbench would

Re: [Boston.pm] certification

2005-02-28 Thread Aaron Sherman
On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 15:39, Tom Metro wrote: As others have argued on the list, as programmers we know certifications are pointless as a technical qualification, but we're not the audience that needs to be convinced otherwise. I disagree. A certification says that you have a certain

Re: [Boston.pm] certification

2005-02-28 Thread Bogart Salzberg
Tom Metro wrote: It would be a start, though I'm not so sure that Brainbench's web-based, open book tests are close enough to a certification to have the intended effect. A self-testing program *need not* suck. Here are four reasons why a home-grown testing program would be (could be) better

[Boston.pm] Certification

2005-02-28 Thread Greg London
I think I just figured out why this conversation is going nowhere. The pro-certification folks think that certification would help convince a non-technical manager to use perl for a project. The programmers would determine that perl is the right language for the job on a technical basis. The