RE: [Boston.pm] short-listing languages for applications software development

2005-02-25 Thread Tolkin, Steve
I think this is the best point that has been advanced in favor of using perl: Amazon, Google, Yahoo, Morgan Stanley all use Perl in production ... Does anyone have additional details, e.g. the names of the projects, number of servers, number of users, estimated cost, estimated savings by using

Re: [Boston.pm] short-listing languages for applications software development

2005-02-25 Thread Ben Tilly
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:04:51 -0500, James Linden Rose, III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday, February 25, 2005, at 08:28 AM, Tolkin, Steve wrote: I think this is the best point that has been advanced in favor of using perl: Amazon, Google, Yahoo, Morgan Stanley all use Perl in

[Boston.pm] DBMS books, and (also) Perl

2005-02-25 Thread Bogart Salzberg
Mongers, Does anyone have a recommendation for a good database theory book? I'm an intermediate level MySQL user (Yes, that could mean just about anything) and familiar with joins, foreign keys, dependencies and similar concepts, but I'd like to read an academic text to learn ER modeling and

Re: [Boston.pm] (also) Perl

2005-02-25 Thread Bogart Salzberg
On Feb 25, 2005, at 2:17 PM, Alex Brelsfoard wrote: True programmers aren't the ones we need to tell about Perl. I meant budding web programmers. Are these true programmers? I hope so. Web scripter just doesn't sound as good. It's the programmer's BOSS, and their boss' boss. These are the

Re: [Boston.pm] (also) Perl

2005-02-25 Thread Alex Brelsfoard
True programmers aren't the ones we need to tell about Perl. I meant budding web programmers. Are these true programmers? I hope so. Web scripter just doesn't sound as good. We'll call them true programmer's in training. ;) But honestly, MOST true programmers have already heard about Perl,

Re: [Boston.pm] (also) Perl

2005-02-25 Thread James Linden Rose, III
On Friday, February 25, 2005, at 03:04 PM, Alex Brelsfoard wrote: I think part of the problem is that it is an open source system that doesn't have a fund for advertising. I think if we simply saw some commercials on tv talking about Perl, or telling about all it's success stories. Heck even if

Re: [Boston.pm] (also) Perl

2005-02-25 Thread Greg London
What Perl is really lacking is a widely recognized, widely accessible certification program. Well, now that you've identified the need, I'll be selling certificates at the next monger meeting. The color-by-number version will be available for entry-level programmers with limited budgets. The

Re: [Boston.pm] Simple switch statement question

2005-02-25 Thread Andres Monroy-Hernandez
I think you're missing the parenthesis around .* -Andres On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 15:11 -0600, Alex Brelsfoard wrote: Hi all, I have a quick (hopefully) question on how to do a simple switch statement. Let me show you what I am trying to do: I would like to switch '[link

Re: [Boston.pm] (also) Perl

2005-02-25 Thread Ben Tilly
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:51:46 -0500, James Linden Rose, III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday, February 25, 2005, at 03:04 PM, Alex Brelsfoard wrote: I think part of the problem is that it is an open source system that doesn't have a fund for advertising. I think if we simply saw some

RE: [Boston.pm] (also) Perl

2005-02-25 Thread Palit, Nilanjan
From: Alex Brelsfoard Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Boston.pm] (also) Perl I like this idea. I think Perl certification WOULD make the world happier. Then again, I like Greg's idea. Think maybe some of us PerlMongers could get together and actually start up a real

Re: [Boston.pm] Simple switch statement question

2005-02-25 Thread Uri Guttman
AB == Alex Brelsfoard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AB I have a quick (hopefully) question on how to do a simple switch AB statement. Let me show you what I am trying to do: what switch statement? s/// is substitute. perl has no switch operator nor statement. AB I would like to switch

Re: [Boston.pm] (also) Perl

2005-02-25 Thread Uri Guttman
AB == Alex Brelsfoard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AB I like this idea. I think Perl certification WOULD make the world happier. AB Then again, I like Greg's idea. AB Think maybe some of us PerlMongers could get together and actually start AB up a real Perl certification program? oy!!

Re: [Boston.pm] (also) Perl

2005-02-25 Thread Alex Brelsfoard
I was not aware that so much discussion about Perl certification had already taken place (though it makes sense that is has). It DOES sound like quite a tough pickle. But you have to imagine, if any group of people were to be able to find a way to make a proper certification program, wouldn't it

Re: [Boston.pm] (also) Perl

2005-02-25 Thread Alex Brelsfoard
So no Perl certification? ;) joking. I'm glad this was discussed though. It's always nice to know that there are other people out there who realize that good coding happens from good general knowledge of programming principles, not knowing all the syntax in a language. Plus I had no idea

Re: [Boston.pm] Simple switch statement question

2005-02-25 Thread Alex Brelsfoard
I have a quick (hopefully) question on how to do a simple switch statement. The term you want is substitution, rather than switch, which usually has other meanings in a programming context. True, sorry. I was typing in a hurry. Looking back that IS a bit misleading, and uh wrong. --Alex

Re: [Boston.pm] (also) Perl

2005-02-25 Thread John Tsangaris
Truly, I was simply looking for a way to advertise Perl as being something serious in today's technology. Guess it's back to the drawing board. I'm motivated to not let this die at the certification sucks stage, since perl popularity means more money in my pocket (and I'm assuming it is the

Re: [Boston.pm] (also) Perl

2005-02-25 Thread Alex Brelsfoard
Thanks Greg, Yeah, it's easy to get side-tracked on an issue like this. Fighting for Perl's cause is kind of fresh in my mind these days. Mostly because I feel like I have to _fight_ for it. At least lately. I've been explaining things about Perl to those who know nothing about it and

RE: [Boston.pm] (also) Perl

2005-02-25 Thread Tolkin, Steve
Well just about everything that can be said on this thread has been said, except for this. Google for: perl (certification OR certificate) produces 2170 matches. This matches two phrases. If you remove the quotes, i.e. Google for: perl (certification OR certificate) produces 1.2 million hits.

Re: [Boston.pm] (also) Perl

2005-02-25 Thread Bogart Salzberg
On Feb 25, 2005, at 6:08 PM, Alex Brelsfoard wrote: Ideas? How about an alliance with Apple? Ditch AppleScript and replace it with Perl, marry Perl to a GUI and turn Mac users into Perl-hacking sysadmins. Does anyone know of a good book on database theory? Really. Bogart

Re: [Boston.pm] (also) Perl

2005-02-25 Thread Sean Quinlan
On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 16:23 -0500, Andres Monroy-Hernandez wrote: If any, I think O'Reilly should be the issuer of those certificates. I think it would be a nice thing to have for marketing purposes as others have pointed out. Maybe. If not the issuer I'd like to involve them. Not just for

Re: [Boston.pm] (also) Perl

2005-02-25 Thread Sean Quinlan
On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 15:07 -0600, Alex Brelsfoard wrote: I like this idea. I think Perl certification WOULD make the world happier. Then again, I like Greg's idea. Think maybe some of us PerlMongers could get together and actually start up a real Perl certification program? I don't see why

Re: [Boston.pm] (also) Perl

2005-02-25 Thread Uri Guttman
BT == Ben Tilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BT O'Reilly is too aware of how influential people in the community BT feel about certification to make that kind of mistake. Else they BT would have done it a long time ago. o'reilly would never want to get into that. it just doesn't make sense.

Re: [Boston.pm] (also) Perl

2005-02-25 Thread Ben Tilly
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:18:54 -0500, Bogart Salzberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 25, 2005, at 6:08 PM, Alex Brelsfoard wrote: Ideas? How about an alliance with Apple? Ditch AppleScript and replace it with Perl, marry Perl to a GUI and turn Mac users into Perl-hacking sysadmins.