Tom Metro wrote:
David Cantrell wrote:
...if desperate you have to wonder *why* they are desperate - what is it
about them that has kept them unemployed?
If their skills were unmarketable why could they not learn new skills?
You do realize that we're in the midst of a discussion pondering the
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 01:30:14PM -0500, John Tsangaris wrote:
David Cantrell wrote:
Sneaking in perl code is unprofessional. ...
Again, you may be taking the statement a little too literally. Not to be
offensive, but you seem to be taking a high
horse stance on this. You just may be the
Indeed. Keeping Perl as an island of elitism, which certification
would threaten to obviate, is a self-serving, self-aggrandizing,
self-preservative instinct at its finest. Caveat being that when Perl
I think that certification would actually _increase_ the barriers to
learning and using
Not on a public list, no. You are free to ask the question, but not to
expect others to constrain themselves to your arbitrary lines of
response. It's not that people don't like you personally, it's just that
we all feel kind of put upon to be told, don't say what you think, just
let me
On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 07:54, Kate Wood wrote:
[...] the barriers to learning and using Perl
[...]
Managers, [...] expect you to have [available certification]
You do realize that those are orthoganal, right?
What's more, I GUARANTEE you that I could go learn Java (for which there
is a strong
andrew burke said:
Not on a public list, no. You are free to ask the question, but not to
expect others to constrain themselves to your arbitrary lines of
response. It's not that people don't like you personally, it's just that
we all feel kind of put upon to be told, don't say what you
On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 14:02, Greg London wrote:
andrew burke said:
I never excluded people. I was asking them to play a different game.
And I asked those who didn't want to play, to find a different game.
This is said without realizing the irony?
Hey, where were you as
CD == Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
CD On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Aaron Sherman wrote:
Oh, and while I'm thinking about dinner (don't ask), I want to mention
that there is an AWESOME new Chinese restaurant in Allston called
Shanghai Gate. If we can arrange an off-peak time to go
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Uri Guttman wrote:
i will recruit general gao to lead my army! (nyc spells it tso ??). i
will use the kung pao fist to beat on my enemy and the tao of
programming as my guide. my soldiers will be the shaolin soccer team.
your fortune cookie reads, you will lose badly
David Cantrell wrote:
...if desperate you have to wonder *why* they are desperate - what is it
about them that has kept them unemployed?
If their skills were unmarketable why could they not learn new skills?
You do realize that we're in the midst of a discussion pondering the
very question of
On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 09:56 -0500, Adam Turoff wrote:
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 03:39:04AM -0500, Tom Metro wrote:
For me, popularity matters for two reasons:
1. If you like Perl enough that you'd like it to be all or a big part of
your day job.
If Perl per se matters to you that much,
Tom, thanks for voicing many of the same concerns I've had recently,
especially as I watched this debate evolve. I too have been making a living
for several years working in Perl, and would much prefer to continue doing
so into the future. I've worked in many languages in over 30 years of
Adam Turoff said:
If Perl per se matters to you that much, then you should find some way
to make it your day job. Find a new employer, start your own business,
whatever it takes.
s/Perl/(Bike Riding|Gardening|Cooking|Painting|Teaching|Filmmaking)/; as
appropriate. There is nothing magical
On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 10:59 -0500, Adam Turoff wrote:
Discuss advocacy and popularity at the expense of building cool tools
with Perl.
Huh?!? Sorry Adam, but WTF? Who ever said that building cools tools
isn't important. I would certainly agree that it is, and indeed more
important. I'm saying
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Greg London wrote:
Adam Turoff said:
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 10:33:20AM -0500, Sean Quinlan wrote:
If Perl per se matters to you that much, then you should find some
way to make it your day job. Find a new employer, start your own
business, whatever it takes.
I've *never* been hired to do perl coding. I've been hired to write
software to solve problems.
I think that he didn't mean that literally, but more of a general statement of
solving problems specifically using
perl. :-/
Sneaking in perl code is unprofessional. All code you write should be
Adam Turoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If Perl per se matters to you that much, then you should find some way
to make it your day job.
Hmmm...isn't that sort of what were talking about? If there's no job
market for Perl, that's kinda hard to do. Even if you run a business
where Perl is embedded,
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:46:19 -0500 (EST), Greg London
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chris Devers said:
I think it would be nice if Perl were more popular. I don't think
advocacy is a bad thing. I don't think certification, or courses, are
unreasonable. But of the ways I can think of to make
Ben Tilly said:
Greg, I really feel that if anyone is overreacting here, it is
you. I'll try once more, after which I'll stop responding to
you because you don't appear to be listening.
Your message has been along the line of, We just have to
try this and great things will happen. I'm
On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 16:15 -0500, Greg London wrote:
Ben Tilly said:
I think responses are more along the lines of, certification
introduces a lot of problems, and we don't see how you'll
make a certification become accepted.
I don't know how it can be done, so it must not be possible.
On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 23:52 -0500, Greg London wrote:
Did you ever get a cool idea for a problem
and just dive into it, explore it, learn
about it, try out different things, and play?
Yes. When I do that, I don't post to a public list saying, what if I
just take this line of code, and move it
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