Seems to me Jeroen is responsible. He is the listowner, and he has been repeatedly 
sending multiple spam emails to around 100 people. These people have kindly asked him 
to stop the spamming, and he has refused. It is ironic that you talk about this being 
a "fresh" start when it seems Jeroen has dragged his problems from the original Brin-L 
list to this one.


 --- On Tue 06/10, Jorpho < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
From: Jorpho [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:00:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Why?

<br>Oh, heck with it.  Time to speak up.<br><br>This is what my inbox shows beyond 
6/7/03:<br>Seven messages from David Hobby<br>Two messages from Richard 
Crawford<br>Six messages from Erik Reuter<br>One message from "listowner"<br>Two 
messages from Jeroen van Baardwijk<br>And one message from Heather 
Shimokawa.<br><br>None of these messages really had any good reason to appear on this 
list.<br>It is also not immediately obvious who is responsible for any of 
these<br>messages - not Mr. van Baardwijk, nor this Arnett person I have never 
heard<br>of otherwise - unless the From address provides any real 
indication.<br><br>If the other Brin-L list captivated my interest, I might be 
subscribed to<br>it.  As it is, I still want to see what a fresh approach has to 
offer.<br><br>Cheers, J.<br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Heather 
Shimokawa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><br>To: "David Brin Mailing List" <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]><br>Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:04 PM<br>Subject: Re:STOP THE 
SPAM!<br><br><br>><br>> Erik just told me that we have a listowner here who is<br>> 
intolerant, fascist, and a spammer. Ironic,<br>> considering that Jeroen called the 
listowner of the<br>> real Brin-L list intolerant, when it is really Jeroen<br>> who 
is at fault here. He blames his problems on other<br>> people. Jeroen was responsible 
for spamming the list,<br>> and he takes out his frustrations by intolerantly and<br>> 
fascistly unsubscribing Erik.<br>><br>> This is the type of listowner this poor copy 
of the<br>> real Brin-L has. Don't you think you should<br>> unsubscribe from this 
fascist list and join the real<br>> Brin-L? The one that was smart enough to BAN 
Jeroen<br>> for death threats and repeated spamming. Do you really<br>> want to be on 
a list where the list owner makes death<br>> threats and spams people and blames 
others for his<br>> crimes? Someone who can't tolerate others to express<br>> their 
opinions?<br>><br>><br>> --- Listowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > At 
Stardate 20030610.2322, Erik Reuter wrote:<br>> ><br>> > >Yes, Jeroen did, by 
repeatedly spamming me. It is<br>> > not my fault, I repeat,<br>> > >you need to stop 
blaming me and take it up with<br>> > Jeroen. He is totally<br>> > >responsible, I am 
not.<br>> ><br>> > You are responsible. It was *your* decision to start<br>> > 
spamming this list.<br>> ><br>> > Anyway, as spamming will not be tolerated here,<br>> 
> immediately after this<br>> > message is sent you will be unsubscribed.<br>> ><br>> 
> Have a nice day.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Jeroen van Baardwijk, Listowner<br>> ><br>> 
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