RE: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Andrew Paul
From: Russell Chapman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrew Paul wrote: It was a little confronting, I agree, but please, take a few steps back from that big red button. Done - big red button = bad. No question. Thankfully our red button leads to a damp squib that goes whizz in an

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Russell Chapman wrote: Oh, absolutely, the .22 would come out of the rubble and I would take my nationalistic fervour to the invaders. But I wouldn't wave pictures of the PM, or of the archbishop, or anything other than the Australian flag or the Southern Cross. But most assuredly, I

RE: Welcome to life in George W. Bush's America

2004-04-06 Thread Andrew Paul
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip There's nothing I can add that won't go over the head of anyone who needs me to add something. Aww, go on humour us poor idiots, enlighten us with your wisdom Mike. I clearly need a lot more lessons from our wise Islamic Moderate cos I just aint

RE: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Andrew Paul
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dan Minette wrote: Are you suggesting that the people of Iraq were better off before the invasion. What measure would you give of that? I don't know if Andrew was suggesting that but that argument *can* be made: I am not

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread David Land
Folks, Ah, but it is so easy to whip mobs into a murderous frenzy. At least in some parts of the world, including my own. Sometimes, all it takes is the home team winning the SuperBowl. A friend of mine -- then a videographer for KRON in San Francisco -- was assigned to cover the crowds

Re: Dan says SS = SSA

2004-04-06 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 10:41:28PM -0500, The Fool wrote: If you consider 38years 'not too many years'. Yes, I do. If you are investing is stocks now, 38 years isn't that long because the market is at historically quite high valuations. For example, I would NOT advise 100% equities for anyone

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Trent Shipley
On Monday 2004-04-05 23:35, Andrew Paul wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dan Minette wrote: And I hope they are better off, cos that seems to be only shred of justification left for this war, so it would be nice if we got that right. Justifications: -- Energy

RE: America the Theocracy

2004-04-06 Thread Mike Lee
Nick, in hiding under the bed mode: A band of influential preachers is praying for the power to rule America. For those who disagree, they have a solution -- stoning. They're not influential. I know a hell of a lot more about them than anyone else here. I have seen Rousas Rushdoony's

RE: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands

2004-04-06 Thread Mike Lee
Ok, we confess. John Doe and Mike Lee are the same person. Well, we're two personalities of the same person. If you ban us from this list, we will sue you under ADA. If you think it's hard listening to us fight, you ought to have to be in the bathroom in the morning with us. You're getting off

RE: Welcome to life in George W. Bush's America

2004-04-06 Thread Mike Lee
Andrew, apologizating: Yea, you are right. Sorry.. Must have been something I watched over dinner. One of the most enduring and archetypal of human behaviors is the hollow apology. Perhaps someone here who understands evolutionary psychology can explain the genesis of this phenomenon better

The Protean Enemy

2004-04-06 Thread The Fool
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20030701faessay15403/jessica-stern/the-pro tean-enemy.html Summary: Despite the setbacks al Qaeda has suffered over the last two years, it is far from finished, as its recent bomb attacks testify. How has the group managed to survive an unprecedented American

Re: America the Theocracy

2004-04-06 Thread The Fool
From: Troll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nick, in hiding under the bed mode: Nick wrote not the quoted text. A band of influential preachers is praying for the power to rule America. For those who disagree, they have a solution -- stoning. They're not influential. I know a hell of a lot

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Law and order - They lived under a repressive state but they were used to that set up. Currently, they are not sure of who their enemies are or how to reduce the risk factor in their lives. This uncertainty can get tiring after an year.

Re: Birding In NM (was: Virus infection alert !)

2004-04-06 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Birding In NM (was: Virus infection alert !) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:25:30 -0400 At 11:48 AM 4/5/2004 -0230 Travis Edmunds wrote: You want birds? Then come to my

Re: America the Theocracy

2004-04-06 Thread Richard Baker
The Fool said: How many has Vatican killed throughout the years? Most of the people that the Vatican will have killed in the end are alive today, because the Vatican has impeded the progress of science to a large degree (and, to be fair, so have the other branches of Christianity). Let's make

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread The Fool
From: Keith Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 05:55 PM 03/04/04 -0600, The Fool wrote: From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip So how does that square with the idease expressed here? I'm not even sure, but evolutionary psychology is a very, very, very thin reed on which to rest

Re: The Politics of September 10th

2004-04-06 Thread Tom Beck
What specifically do you think they could have been doing between noon on 20 January and midnight on 10 September which could have prevented (not simply delayed) the events of 11 September? That's what the commission is supposed to find out is not the answer. The commission's duty is to

Re: Welcome to life in George W. Bush's America

2004-04-06 Thread Ray Ludenia
Mike Lee wrote: The way humans apologize is to say I'm sorry, I was wrong. And then shut up. How about proving that *you* are human Regards, Ray. PS: I'm sorry, I don't know if I'm wrong, but I will shut up now! ___

Scouted: Universe Teeming with Elements of Life

2004-04-06 Thread Tom Beck
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53110-2004Apr5.html The building blocks of life pervade the solar system, and probably the universe, locked up in planetary polar ice caps, crouching in the interstices of ancient volcanic rocks, zooming around on comets and meteorites,

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Ray Ludenia
Gautam Mukunda wrote: At least the people arrested aren't dropped into paper shredders now. Can you provide a (recent) reference to this having really happened? As far as I can find out, this is a furphy and has been shown to almost certainly be propaganda. See from a (not totally reliable)

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Ray Ludenia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gautam Mukunda wrote: At least the people arrested aren't dropped into paper shredders now. Can you provide a (recent) reference to this having really happened? As far as I can find out, this is a furphy and has been shown to almost certainly

RE: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Andrew Paul
From: Gautam Mukunda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] snip democracy one day in the future. However, I doubt that makes living in such turmoil any easier on a day-to-day basis. Again, _they_ don't think so. You don't think midnight raids and large-scale arrests happened before? Some time

Re: America the Theocracy

2004-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
Let's further suppose that the immortality breakthrough happens in 2100. Then everyone who dies between now and then is dying solely because of the past attitude of the Christian authorities: Christianity is responsible for *billions* of deaths in the near future. (And you can make a

RE: Welcome to life in George W. Bush's America

2004-04-06 Thread Andrew Paul
From: Mike Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrew, apologizating: Yea, you are right. Sorry.. Must have been something I watched over dinner. One of the most enduring and archetypal of human behaviors is the hollow apology. Perhaps someone here who understands evolutionary psychology can

RE: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gautam Mukunda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You _can_ make this argument, I guess, but actually _making_ it makes you an apologist for one of the most brutal dictators in human history - you have to believe all of the propaganda that he and his

Re: America the Theocracy

2004-04-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I guess the fact that officially atheistic countries, such as the USSR have had a much better track record in science than countries with a large fraction of church going Christians, like the US supports your contention. I guess I have to admit

RE: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Andrew Paul
From: Ray Ludenia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you say it often enough, it must be true? Yea, Like Iraq=Osama Bin Laden It amazes me how this has become an accepted truth. Or Islam=Terrorist Or Refugee = Terrorist I suppose this sort of thing has a long history, but I thought we were

Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands

2004-04-06 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: I'm so confused . . . At 03:30 AM 4/6/04, Mike Lee wrote: Ok, we confess. John Doe and Mike Lee are the same person. Well, we're two personalities of the same person. If you ban us from this list, we will sue you under ADA. If you think it's hard listening to us

Re: America the Theocracy

2004-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:16 AM Subject: Re: America the Theocracy Dan said: So, I guess the fact that officially atheistic countries, such as the USSR have had a much

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:08 AM Subject: RE: Winning the War on Terror From: Gautam Mukunda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] snip democracy one day in the future. However, I doubt

Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands

2004-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands Sonja GCU: Top AND bottom posting is eviler still A small

Shades of Grey (was Re: War on Terror)

2004-04-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You talked about Gautam thinking in black and white terms. Having debated with him over the years, I know that isn't true. A number of conservatives do; he doesn't. Dan M. I wanted to thank Dan for his kind words, congratulate his excellent post,

Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands

2004-04-06 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands Sonja GCU: Top AND bottom posting is eviler

Re: America the Theocracy

2004-04-06 Thread Damon Agretto
Of course not: it just means that such countries will also be partly responsible for some of the deaths this century, as well as for many millions of deaths in the last century. So how much blame should go on the Greeks then? Although their methodologies were sound, some of their theories

Re: America the Theocracy

2004-04-06 Thread Richard Baker
Damon said: So how much blame should go on the Greeks then? Although their methodologies were sound, some of their theories were off the wall. I wonder how far science was put back when people re-discovered this? Not so far as it was when those pesky Visigoths and Vandals and Huns wrecked

Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands

2004-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Sonja van

Re: Scouted: Universe Teeming with Elements of Life

2004-04-06 Thread William T Goodall
I saw Scouted: Universe Teeming with Ele... and hoped it would turn out to be elephants. I was disappointed. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use

RE: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Andrew Paul
From: Gautam Mukunda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gautam Mukunda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You _can_ make this argument, I guess, but actually _making_ it makes you an apologist for one of the most brutal dictators in human history - you have to

Re: America the Theocracy

2004-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:21 AM Subject: Re: America the Theocracy Of course not: it just means that such countries will also be partly responsible for some of the deaths

Re: America the Theocracy

2004-04-06 Thread Damon Agretto
Not so far as it was when those pesky Visigoths and Vandals and Huns wrecked the Roman Empire, I imagine. The Roman Empire was not exactly the bright and shining bastion of knowledge of the ancient world either (especially at the time the Germans and Asiatics were doing their thing). The

Re: America the Theocracy

2004-04-06 Thread Damon Agretto
Your point is mostly valid, but I think even you give the Greeks a bit too much credit. Physica has horrid methodology, for example. I think it has to do with the concept that a gentleman doesn't dirty his hands by doing; a gentleman thinks. Doing is for slaves. Dan, I don't know if you

RE: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Andrew Paul
From: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] snip What mild questioning? Your arguement that its hard to tell whether the people in Iraq are better off than under Hussein indicates that either Hussein wasn't such a bad fellow after all or the US is engaged in torture, wholesale murder,

RE: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Damon Agretto
Andrew, Your allusion to Barbarossa is flawed. When the Germans rolled into the Soviet Union, there were plenty of people that welcomed them as liberators, not the least of which were the Ukranians. Had the Germans been less racist and didn't look at the Ukranians and other ethnicities in the

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Damon Agretto
To add more fuel to the fire, anyone see this?: http://healingiraq.blogspot.com/ Daily news and comments on the situation in post Saddam Iraq by an Iraqi dentist Monday, April 05, 2004 A coup d'etat is taking place in Iraq a the moment. Al-Shu'la, Al-Hurria, Thawra (Sadr city), and Kadhimiya

Re: America the Theocracy

2004-04-06 Thread Dave Land
Rich yapped thus: Most of the people that the Vatican will have killed in the end are alive today... Christianity is responsible for *billions* of deaths in the near future. Cool. You must have loved Minority Report. Let's arrest the Pope. Dave ___

RE: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gautam Mukunda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gautam Mukunda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gautam, its terrible what is happening in Iraq. I dont deny your feelings on the subject, and I dont treat the

RE: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dan Minette Firstly, I just cant subscribe to the view that I have to give wholesale support to the US actions or wear a I Love Saddam badge. Cant I be upset why whats happening in Iraq? Cant I ask questions without bing a traitor? Yet no one

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 08:55 AM 4/6/04, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Ray Ludenia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gautam Mukunda wrote: At least the people arrested aren't dropped into paper shredders now. Can you provide a (recent) reference to this having really happened? As far as I can find out, this is a furphy

Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands

2004-04-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
And I'm just LOL over the quantity of response I was able to generate. At 10:36 AM 4/6/04, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [ADMIN]

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 1:07 AM Subject: Re: Winning the War on Terror Out of curiosity, you mentioned one year ago that if the number of dead crosses the 10,000 mark, you would consider the

Re: Century City

2004-04-06 Thread William T Goodall
Cancelled. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ It is our belief, however, that serious professional users will run out of things they can do with UNIX. - Ken Olsen, President of DEC, 1984.

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 11:25 AM Subject: RE: Winning the War on Terror From: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] snip What mild questioning? Your arguement that its hard

Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands

2004-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands And I'm just LOL over the quantity of response I was able to generate. If we

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 1:11 PM Subject: Re: Winning the War on Terror I missed writing a line. To clarify, My suggestion was/is: 1) Increase efforts to rebuild Afghanistan and

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Robert J. Chassell
Keith Henson wrote that times of trouble tend to make for a spread in xenophobic notions. He said that idea came from evolutionary psychology. Regarding evolutionary psychology, Gautam Mukunda wrote My problem ... It struck me as a just so story. This is true. I like the notion of

Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands

2004-04-06 Thread Medievalbk
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: A I'm so confused . . . n d At 03:30 AM 4/6/04, Mike Lee wrote: t Ok, we confess. John Doe and Mike Lee are the same person. Well, h we're two e personalities of the same person. If you ban us from this list, we will sue m you under ADA. o s If you think it's hard

[ADMIN] Flakey network

2004-04-06 Thread Nick Arnett
We got an upgrade to our Internet connection yesterday, which seems to have pushed the line somewhat beyond its capacity. Thus, the list will be slow and flakey until this is resolved. Not sure when this message will even manage to get out, as the flakiness seems to have gotten worse in the

Re: America the Theocracy

2004-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 11:12 AM Subject: Re: America the Theocracy Your point is mostly valid, but I think even you give the Greeks a bit too much credit. Physica has

Re: Welcome to life in George W. Bush's America

2004-04-06 Thread Russell Chapman
Mike Lee wrote: Andrew, apologizating: Yea, you are right. Sorry.. Must have been something I watched over dinner. The way humans apologize is to say I'm sorry, I was wrong. And then shut up. Must be an Aussie thing - I found Andrew's obviously fake apology both made a point and amused me.

Re: [ADMIN] Flakey network

2004-04-06 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 4/6/2004 4:25:32 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . Thus, the list will be slow and flakey until this is resolved. Well, just don't point out who is more flakey than others! As for slow..I've been closing and reopening AOL for about an hour.

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, the war met that criterion. Further, it is clear to me that the number dying every year is less than it was before...far less. The US does have some moral responsibility for the civilians killed by the insurgents, but not the same type of moral

Re: Square Wheels

2004-04-06 Thread Russell Chapman
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Interesting. And maybe useful in some specific cases. A train able to traverse steep inclines could be very useful, say in mine extraction. You could even nest conventional rails inside the bumpy tracks so standard rolling stock could be hauled out and handed over to a

Re: Square Wheels

2004-04-06 Thread Dave Land
Russell Chapman wrote: A train able to traverse steep inclines could be very useful, say in mine extraction. You could even nest conventional rails inside the bumpy tracks so standard rolling stock could be hauled out and handed over to a conventional train. Baked: http://www.cog-railway.com/

Re: [ADMIN] Flakey network

2004-04-06 Thread Dave Land
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thus, the list will be slow and flakey until this is resolved. It *seems* to be resolved (if I may announce that on Nick's behalf.) His ISP upgraded his service, thereby rendering it completely non-functional for most of the day. Well, just don't point out who is

Re: Century City

2004-04-06 Thread Kanandarqu
David wrote- Did Brin cover whether or not dittoes could be jurors? On the one hand, it seems as if jury duty would not be something that actual people would want to do. On the other, there could well be legal issues involved. I don't specifically recall, however it would seem that if

RE: America the Theocracy

2004-04-06 Thread Mike Lee
From: Fool Let do some numbers. Al Qaida has killed how many people, total? Lets be generous and say 10,000. How many did Saddam kill? Lets be conservative and say 300,000. How many has Vatican killed throughout the years? Lest be conservative and say tens-of-millions. If you're

Re: Scouted: Universe Teeming with Elephants???

2004-04-06 Thread Jim Sharkey
William T Goodall wrote: I saw Scouted: Universe Teeming with Ele... and hoped it would turn out to be elephants. I was disappointed. I have it on reasonably good authority that there are at least four of them out there... :) Jim And don't forget the giant turtle Maru

Re: Scouted: Universe Teeming with Elephants???

2004-04-06 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 4/6/2004 6:30:24 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have it on reasonably good authority that there are at least four of them out there... :) Jim And don't forget the giant turtle Maru And the stone monkey with the wooden mallet to drive the

Re: Scouted: Universe Teeming with Elephants???

2004-04-06 Thread Jim Sharkey
William Taylor wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have it on reasonably good authority that there are at least four of them out there... :) And don't forget the giant turtle Maru And the stone monkey with the wooden mallet to drive the four corks back in. I mean otherwise he'd be forever

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Winning the War on Terror --- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, the war met that criterion. Further, it is clear to me

Re: Scouted: Universe Teeming with Elephants???

2004-04-06 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 4/6/2004 7:25:27 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's still one of my all-time favorite jokes. I think I'll have to tell that one to someone tomorrow. Jim Potty humor Maru You know, I didn't know it was an old established joke. But I

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Andrew Paul wrote: You have lost me here. I either love Saddam and want him extradited to Australia so I can vote him in as President, or I want him drawn, torn and quartered in front of the Lincoln Memorial? Cant I have something in between? Like something sensible? Doing it in front of

Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands

2004-04-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands Sonja GCU: Top AND bottom posting is

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 11:25 AM Subject: RE: Winning the War on Terror From: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] snip What mild questioning?

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert J. Chassell wrote: (And I cam up with the notion that a society would permit those savy men to find out more about the enemy, to enable more spying, so as to be better able to kill them -- in effect, to enable a few to be more obvious about their xenophilia than before.)

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Keith Henson
At 05:01 PM 06/04/04 -0400, you wrote: Keith Henson wrote that times of trouble tend to make for a spread in xenophobic notions. He said that idea came from evolutionary psychology. Regarding evolutionary psychology, Gautam Mukunda wrote My problem ... It struck me as a just so story. This

Re: Square Wheels

2004-04-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Dave Land wrote: Russell Chapman wrote: A train able to traverse steep inclines could be very useful, say in mine extraction. You could even nest conventional rails inside the bumpy tracks so standard rolling stock could be hauled out and handed over to a conventional train. Baked:

Re: America the Theocracy

2004-04-06 Thread JDG
At 01:42 AM 4/6/2004 -0700 Richard Baker wrote: Hasn't it been established by careful, rational debate on Brin-L that all religion is Evil? Rich At 03:59 AM 4/6/2004 -0700 Richard Baker wrote: Most of the people that the Vatican will have killed in the end are alive today, because the Vatican

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:13 PM Subject: Re: Winning the War on Terror Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Keith Henson
At 05:01 PM 06/04/04 -0400, Robert J. Chassell wrote: snip By the way, evolutionary psychology tries to account for human psychology traits that were adaptive for hunter gatherers. These traits may map into modern conditions, but it's just happenstance. Some of them like

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread JDG
At 10:00 AM 4/6/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: Estimates before the war were of 100,000 people dying every year as a result of Hussein's policy. Allow me to add to that. UNICEF estimated that 4,000 *extra* children per month were dying in Iraq because of Saddam, over 1.1 million since 1991.

Re: America the Theocracy

2004-04-06 Thread JDG
At 07:29 AM 4/6/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote: Or, for that matter, the so-often forgotten major contributions of the Catholic Church to scientific research. At some point, there is a fine line between stupidity and trolling. I am not sure where that line is, or if its been crossed in this

Re: America the Theocracy

2004-04-06 Thread Julia Thompson
JDG wrote: At 07:29 AM 4/6/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote: Or, for that matter, the so-often forgotten major contributions of the Catholic Church to scientific research. At some point, there is a fine line between stupidity and trolling. I am not sure where that line is, or if its

Ringworld Miniseries on SciFi

2004-04-06 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.cinescape.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0this_cat=Televisionaction=pagetype_id=cat_id=270355obj_id=41212 xponent Axis Of Coming Attractions Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread The Fool
From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Al-Jazeera says that policemen in these cities have sided with the Shia insurgents, which doesn't come as a surprise to me since a large portion of the police forces in these areas were recruited from Shi'ite militias and we have talked about that ages

Ditto Jurors, was Re: Century City

2004-04-06 Thread David Hobby
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David wrote- Did Brin cover whether or not dittoes could be jurors? On the one hand, it seems as if jury duty would not be something that actual people would want to do. On the other, there could well be legal issues involved. I don't specifically recall,

Long Drives and Open Roads

2004-04-06 Thread Matthew and Julie Bos
One of my favorite things in life is driving down the road less traveled. If I could figure out a way for people to pay me for driving around, getting lost, and drinking coffee in remote places...life would be good. If you have some free time, follow the link to THE road less traveled. And

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread The Fool
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] You cannot equivocate between God and the Devil, as Catholics used to (still?) say. Just saying grey area over and over again like a mantra is not judgment - it is a substitute for judgment. You're right. Dog killed dozens of orders of magnitude

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gautam Mukunda wrote: Law and order - They lived under a repressive state but they were used to that set up. Currently, they are not sure of who their enemies are or how to reduce the risk factor in their lives. This uncertainty can get tiring after an year. Perhaps, but they don't

Attention Deficit linked to toddler TV watching length

2004-04-06 Thread The Fool
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=676e=4u=/usatoday/2004 0405/ts_usatoday/shortattentionspanlinkedtotv [http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=676e=4u=/usatoday/20040 405/ts_usatoday/shortattentionspanlinkedtotv] Short attention span linked to TV Mon Apr 5, 6:44 AM ET By

Re: Square Wheels

2004-04-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:19 PM 4/6/04, Julia Thompson wrote: ...snip... I expected to at least get a groan from you. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l