At 10:32 AM 8/7/2004 +0200 Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote:
When it threatened to decrease the number of flock considerably or more
to the point when contraception started interfering with the power base
of the holy church.
Is it so inconceivable that maybe - just maybe - they sincerely
Russell Chapman wrote:
When did contraception become a topic for priests?
When did priests become a topic for Russell Chapman?
JDG
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On 8 Aug 2004, at 6:24 pm, JDG wrote:
Russell Chapman wrote:
When did contraception become a topic for priests?
When did priests become a topic for Russell Chapman?
When did Russell Chapman become a topic for JDG?
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On 8 Aug 2004, at 6:23 pm, JDG wrote:
At 10:32 AM 8/7/2004 +0200 Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote:
When it threatened to decrease the number of flock considerably or
more
to the point when contraception started interfering with the power
base
of the holy church.
Is it so inconceivable that maybe
From an Economist/YouGov poll:
Only 36% of Democrats agree that life is better now for Iraqis than under
Saddam Hussein.
51% of Democrats believe that US forces should be withdrawn from Iraq
within the next few months.
This last result makes me very nervous as to what pressure John Kerry, if
Dan:
I think that your difficulty here is not registering the concept of
objective evil. An objective evil is one that cannot be justified by
circumstance. Maybe this will sound tautological to you, but obviously if
there is a concept of just war, than war cannot be an objective evil.
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From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 2:10 PM
Subject: Objective Evil
Dan:
I think that your difficulty here is not registering the concept of
objective evil. An objective evil is one that cannot be justified by
William T Goodall wrote:
On 8 Aug 2004, at 6:24 pm, JDG wrote:
Russell Chapman wrote:
When did contraception become a topic for priests?
When did priests become a topic for Russell Chapman?
When did Russell Chapman become a topic for JDG?
When did JDG become a topic for WTG?
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From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 2:10 PM
Subject: Objective Evil
The Catholic Church would argue that no, one should not... evil to
prevent evil is still
evil.
In reality, all the Catholic Church is saying here is
On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 02:33:25PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
William T Goodall wrote:
On 8 Aug 2004, at 6:24 pm, JDG wrote:
Russell Chapman wrote:
When did contraception become a topic for priests?
When did priests become a topic for Russell Chapman?
When did
On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 02:45:22PM -0400, JDG wrote:
From an Economist/YouGov poll:
Only 36% of Democrats agree that life is better now for Iraqis than under
Saddam Hussein.
51% of Democrats believe that US forces should be withdrawn from Iraq
within the next few months.
This last
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Every Single Sperm
On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 02:33:25PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
William T Goodall wrote:
On 8 Aug 2004, at
Erik said:
Some time ago.
Fairly recently.
Quite recently.
Just now.
All too easy.
It might be more interesting to consider the questions with when
replaced with why.
Rich
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At 02:31 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan M. wrote:
I went to the web site, and I am embarassed as a Catholic by the lack of
consistant logic.
At what point does your embarassment cause you to become a member of the
Protestant Church at which you an elder, and you stop calling yourself a
Catholic?
Let me
On 8 Aug 2004, at 8:31 pm, Dan M. wrote:
I went to the web site, and I am embarassed as a Catholic by the lack
of
consistant logic.
LOL. I'm surprised you're surprised. The only logical outcome of
thinking about religion is atheism, and they're hardly likely to
promote that...
--
William T
From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 10:32 AM 8/7/2004 +0200 Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote:
When it threatened to decrease the number of flock considerably or
more
to the point when contraception started interfering with the power
base
of the holy church.
Is it so inconceivable that maybe
At 02:38 PM 8/8/04, JDG wrote:
At 02:31 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan M. wrote:
I went to the web site, and I am embarassed as a Catholic by the lack of
consistant logic.
At what point does your embarassment cause you to become a member of the
Protestant Church at which you an elder, and you stop calling
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From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: Objective Evil
At 02:31 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan M. wrote:
I went to the web site, and I am embarassed as a Catholic by the lack of
consistant
At 02:41 PM 8/8/04, Dan Minette wrote:
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From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 2:10 PM
Subject: Objective Evil
The Catholic Church would argue that no, one should not... evil to
prevent evil is still
evil.
In reality, all the
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From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: Objective Evil
At 02:41 PM 8/8/04, Dan Minette wrote:
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From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL
At 02:51 PM 8/8/04, William T Goodall wrote:
On 8 Aug 2004, at 8:31 pm, Dan M. wrote:
I went to the web site, and I am embarassed as a Catholic by the lack of
consistant logic.
LOL. I'm surprised you're surprised. The only logical outcome of thinking
about religion is atheism
Not necessarily.
At 02:59 PM 8/8/04, The Fool wrote:
From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 10:32 AM 8/7/2004 +0200 Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote:
When it threatened to decrease the number of flock considerably or
more
to the point when contraception started interfering with the power
base
of the holy church.
Wow! Thank you for the information on bird vision. I did not realize
how many more colors they see!
Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
From http://www.bio.bris.ac.uk/research/vision/4d.htm:
Bird colour vision differs from that of humans in two main
ways. First, birds can see
At 02:41 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
The Catholic Church would argue that no, one should not... evil to
prevent evil is still
evil.
In reality, all the Catholic Church is saying here is the simple moral
precept that the ends do not justify the means.
I may not have been as clear to
At 03:25 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
I went to the web site, and I am embarassed as a Catholic by the lack of
consistant logic.
At what point does your embarassment cause you to become a member of the
Protestant Church at which you an elder, and you stop calling yourself a
Catholic?
On 8 Aug 2004, at 9:27 pm, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 02:51 PM 8/8/04, William T Goodall wrote:
On 8 Aug 2004, at 8:31 pm, Dan M. wrote:
I went to the web site, and I am embarassed as a Catholic by the
lack of
consistant logic.
LOL. I'm surprised you're surprised. The only logical outcome of
At 04:09 PM 8/8/04, Robert J. Chassell wrote:
Wow! Thank you for the information on bird vision. I did not realize
how many more colors they see!
Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
From http://www.bio.bris.ac.uk/research/vision/4d.htm:
Bird colour vision differs from that of humans
At 04:51 PM 8/8/04, William T Goodall wrote:
On 8 Aug 2004, at 9:27 pm, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 02:51 PM 8/8/04, William T Goodall wrote:
On 8 Aug 2004, at 8:31 pm, Dan M. wrote:
I went to the web site, and I am embarassed as a Catholic by the lack of
consistant logic.
LOL. I'm surprised you're
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From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: Objective Evil
At 02:41 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
The Catholic Church would argue that no, one should not... evil to
prevent
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From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: Objective Evil
At 03:25 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
I went to the web site, and I am embarassed as a Catholic by the lack
of
Thus, the church opposes the use of condoms in
Africa to decrease the
spread of AIDs because birth control is an objective
evil. Even thought
the outcome is the saving of numerous lives, which
is a good.
Yeah, but if the Church encourages the use of condoms
to check the spread of AIDS, it
At 05:48 PM 7/10/2004 -0500 Gary Denton wrote:
In it's first day, Fahrenheit 9/11 became the most popular documentary
ever made. Before it opened it won the most coveted and prestigious
award at the world's most prestigious film festival.
Amazing that you managed to say all that without using
At 03:59 PM 7/10/2004 -0500 Gary Denton wrote:
How can you associate yourself with someone treasonous like Robert
Novak - who outs a deep cover CIA agent under the direction of this
administration for petty partisan differences?
Deep Cover? Yes, she was under cover in some sense, but it is a
At 05:56 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
In the meantime, it is a bit grating for an office-holder of another
Church, a Church whose raison d'etre is opposition to Catholicism,
no, the raison d'etre is following Jesus, the Christ, the son of the
living God.
But following it in a way
At 05:46 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
Dropping bombs on people is evil; there is no way around it. When we do it
in a war, we definitely do evil to do good.
Well, there we differ. I do not believe that dropping bombs on combatants
is evil.Dropping bombs on the Taliban was not evil.
Erik Reuter wrote:
On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 02:33:25PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
William T Goodall wrote:
On 8 Aug 2004, at 6:24 pm, JDG wrote:
Russell Chapman wrote:
When did contraception become a topic for priests?
When did priests become a topic for
- Original Message -
From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: Objective Evil
And dropping bombs on Saddam Hussein's armies was not evil.
So, the action of killing conscripts of Hussein, many of whom are
At 06:32 PM 8/8/04, JDG wrote:
Look, I am explicitly using Catholic with a capitol C, not a lowercase
c. After all, isn't it a basic truism of all Christians that they
believe that they are members of the true, universal, catholic Church?
No.
-- Ronn! :)
Earth is the cradle of humanity, but
In a message dated 8/7/2004 8:46:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And isn't Kerry being a little hypocritical to say that he would have done
something different were he being paid the big bucks, given his own stated
reactions?
He is saying he would not have sat
JDG wrote:
At 05:56 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
In the meantime, it is a bit grating for an office-holder of another
Church, a Church whose raison d'etre is opposition to Catholicism,
no, the raison d'etre is following Jesus, the Christ, the son of the
living God.
But
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 02:38 PM 8/8/04, JDG wrote:
At 02:31 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan M. wrote:
I went to the web site, and I am embarassed as a Catholic by the lack of
consistant logic.
At what point does your embarassment cause you to become a member of the
Protestant Church at which
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From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: Objective Evil
Thus, the church opposes the use of condoms in
Africa to decrease the
spread of AIDs because birth control is
At 07:20 PM 8/8/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
JDG wrote:
At 05:56 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
In the meantime, it is a bit grating for an office-holder of another
Church, a Church whose raison d'etre is opposition to Catholicism,
no, the raison d'etre is following Jesus, the Christ,
At 07:21 PM 8/8/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 02:51 PM 8/8/04, William T Goodall wrote:
On 8 Aug 2004, at 8:31 pm, Dan M. wrote:
I went to the web site, and I am embarassed as a Catholic by the lack of
consistant logic.
LOL. I'm surprised you're surprised. The only
At 07:27 PM 8/8/04, Dan Minette wrote:
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From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: Objective Evil
Thus, the church opposes the use of condoms in
Africa to decrease the
spread
JDG wrote:
In the meantime, it is a bit grating for an office-holder of another
Church, a Church whose raison d'etre is opposition to Catholicism,
No, it's not. It's reason is the opposition to a man declaring
himself the sole representative of Jesus on Earth, and giving
orders as if he had a
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 07:21 PM 8/8/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 02:51 PM 8/8/04, William T Goodall wrote:
On 8 Aug 2004, at 8:31 pm, Dan M. wrote:
I went to the web site, and I am embarassed as a Catholic by the lack of
consistant logic.
At 07:33 PM 8/8/04, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
JDG wrote:
In the meantime, it is a bit grating for an office-holder of another
Church, a Church whose raison d'etre is opposition to Catholicism,
No, it's not. It's reason is the opposition to a man declaring
himself the sole representative of Jesus
At 07:35 PM 8/8/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 07:21 PM 8/8/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 02:51 PM 8/8/04, William T Goodall wrote:
On 8 Aug 2004, at 8:31 pm, Dan M. wrote:
I went to the web site, and I am embarassed as a Catholic by
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From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: the new Bush ad : I don't see any morphing...
JDG wrote:
At 05:48 PM 7/10/2004 -0500 Gary Denton wrote:
In it's first day,
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From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: Objective Evil
At 07:27 PM 8/8/04, Dan Minette wrote:
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From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
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From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: Objective Evil
O.k., given your proposed definition of Catholic, how do you define
Protestant?Are Protestants just simply a sect within
(Was the Roman Catholic/Eastern Orthodox split over
the Nicene creed?
Was there some other split over the Nicene creed?
What were the points
of contention?)
Nope. Ultimately the split in the churches were over
other points of doctrine, but chiefly it was over who
had primacy within the
At 08:16 PM 8/8/04, Dan Minette wrote:
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From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: Objective Evil
O.k., given your proposed definition of Catholic, how do you define
Protestant?Are
So, given that we will not stop the long standing
sexual practices of the
men (its moral to try, but its stupid to rely on
sucess), do we say that
the natural result is the death for both the man and
his wife, and that its
wrong to stop it, or that life is so important that
saving the
At 08:19 PM 8/8/04, Damon Agretto wrote:
(Was the Roman Catholic/Eastern Orthodox split over
the Nicene creed?
Was there some other split over the Nicene creed?
What were the points
of contention?)
Nope. Ultimately the split in the churches were over
other points of doctrine, but chiefly it
If one were solely a member of the Presbyterian
church, could one become a
member of the Catholic church (either dual
membership or a switch of
membership) without being re-baptized? Conversely,
if one were solely a
member of the Catholic church, could one become a
member of the
At 08:16 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
O.k., given your proposed definition of Catholic, how do you define
Protestant?Are Protestants just simply a sect within the Catholic
Church?
Sure, that's easy. Protestants are those folks who willingly and
deliberately maintain a separation
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From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: Objective Evil
At 08:16 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
O.k., given your proposed definition of Catholic, how do you define
spoilers:
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The abductors are humans from the future.
The abductees were taken to prevent a disaster that will cause
humanity to die out.
This is getting much better.
xponent
Ready Maru
rob
At 08:18 PM 8/8/2004 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And isn't Kerry being a little hypocritical to say that he would have done
something different were he being paid the big bucks, given his own stated
reactions?
He is saying he would not have sat there for 7 minutes. In that position he
would
At 07:23 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
And dropping bombs on Saddam Hussein's armies was not evil.
So, the action of killing conscripts of Hussein, many of whom are there
because they had no choice, in inherently an acceptable action?
You are changing the subject. Not once have I ever
At 08:06 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
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From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: the new Bush ad : I don't see any morphing...
JDG wrote:
At 05:48 PM 7/10/2004
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From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: Objective Evil
At 07:23 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
And dropping bombs on Saddam Hussein's armies was not evil.
So, the action of
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
If there is a God, why is it inconceivable?
(I am not saying I agree or disagree with the Catholic
position on contraception. I am asking the very specific
question: Why it is inconceivable that if it is the case
that God exists, then He has told Catholics that He
At 10:14 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
And dropping bombs on Saddam Hussein's armies was not evil.
So, the action of killing conscripts of Hussein, many of whom are there
because they had no choice, in inherently an acceptable action?
You are changing the subject. Not once have I
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Objective Evil
At 08:16 PM 8/8/04, Dan Minette wrote:
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From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs
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From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: Objective Evil
At 10:14 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
And dropping bombs on Saddam Hussein's armies was not evil.
So, the
On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 17:56:08 -0500, Dan Minette
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 03:25 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
I went to the web site, and I am embarassed as a Catholic by the lack
of
consistant logic.
At what point does your embarassment cause
At 09:28 PM 8/8/04, JDG wrote:
At 09:01 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
At 08:16 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
O.k., given your proposed definition of Catholic, how do you define
Protestant?Are Protestants just simply a sect within the
Catholic
Church?
Sure, that's easy.
At 10:44 PM 8/8/04, Dan Minette wrote:
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From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Objective Evil
...snip
There is also the Eastern Orthadox, which split earlier. Protestant
At 08:53 PM 8/8/04, Damon Agretto wrote:
Logically are those two options the only ones
possible?
To the Pope or the Patriarch they are!
True. But how about to God?
Of course, with Protestantism, you can follow your own
voice
Are you sure? I would say that you can follow your own voice with
At 08:46 PM 8/8/04, Damon Agretto wrote:
If one were solely a member of the Presbyterian
church, could one become a
member of the Catholic church (either dual
membership or a switch of
membership) without being re-baptized? Conversely,
if one were solely a
member of the Catholic church,
At 10:17 PM 8/8/04, Steve Sloan wrote:
If God opposes all contraception, [...] then we're all thoroughly screwed.
So to speak . . .
-- Ronn! :)
Professional Smart-Aleck. Do Not Attempt.
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At 08:46 PM 8/8/04, Damon Agretto wrote:
If one were solely a member of the Presbyterian
church, could one become a
member of the Catholic church (either dual
membership or a switch of
membership) without being re-baptized?
At 12:05 AM 8/9/04, The Fool wrote:
--
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 08:46 PM 8/8/04, Damon Agretto wrote:
If one were solely a member of the Presbyterian
church, could one become a
member of the Catholic church (either dual
membership or a switch of
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