Week 15 NFL Picks

2004-12-18 Thread Erik Reuter
Week 15 is a difficult one for the benchmark -- 4 abstains. If JDG is really skilled at picking winners, he should have a good chance against the benchmark this week (but JDG hasn't posted his picks yet despite 3 Saturday games this time...) Week 15 Benchmark favorites: Atlanta+3 (Carolina)

Re: Iraqi Attacks and Violations Re: God Is With Us L3

2004-12-18 Thread Martin Lewis
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 00:18:31 -0500, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:02 AM 12/17/2004 -0800 Damon Agretto wrote: I believe John was referring to both the Bush assasination plot as well as the occasional saber rattling with regards to the No-fly Zones. I would not describe live ammunition

Weak 00 NHL Picks

2004-12-18 Thread Medievalbk
yawn The game was more fun when it was white boards and wire, and WHL instead of NHL and tickets to get in for a student were only seventy-five cents and the State Fairgrounds were less than a mile away. William Taylor ___

Re: Acts of War

2004-12-18 Thread Alberto Monteiro
JDG wrote: So, you would disagree that firing shots with the intent of bringing down a country's aircraft ordinarily constitutes an act of war against said country? Of course not. Hypothetical situation: an USA aircraft in Colombia, waging war against some insurgents or cocaleros, violates

Week 15 NFL Picks

2004-12-18 Thread John D. Giorgis
Another respectable 12-4 last week, to go to 123-85 for the year, although it was a week with only one major upset - the Saints over Dallas, and so the Upset Special dropped to 6-8 on the year as the Bears fell flat on their face against Dallas. Pittsburgh at New York Giants - Statistical gurus

Re: Acts of War Re: God Is With Us L3

2004-12-18 Thread JDG
At 11:47 PM 12/17/2004 -0800 Nick Arnett wrote: So, you would disagree that firing shots with the intent of bringing down a country's aircraft ordinarily constitutes an act of war against said country? It now seems inescapable that you are saying the very thing I imagined: We invaded Iraq. I

Re: Irregulars question: new HD

2004-12-18 Thread Steve Sloan
Alberto Monteiro wrote: (b) map the _logical_ partition to it by inserting a line in /etc/fstab: /dev/hdb5 /windows2 vfatdefaults,uid=albmont 0 0 I just learned another wrinkle to editing fstabs the other day, while trying to get a Linux machine set up at work. On newer Linux distros

Re: God Is With Us L3

2004-12-18 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:12 PM Subject: Re: God Is With Us L3 - Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL

Re: Brin: Call this Security?

2004-12-18 Thread JDG
At 01:00 PM 12/10/2004 -0800 David Brin wrote: What's bizarre, Dave - and so bizarre that you can't see it - is that these kneejerk, relfexive neocon dopes will do anything to hide SA complicity. Notice that it's all right to claim the Saudi PEOPLE are at war with us... but it's an OUTRAGE to

Re: The Prospect on the Future of the Democrats

2004-12-18 Thread JDG
At 06:20 PM 12/10/2004 -0600 Gary Denton wrote: Winning Democrats and their messages - It's no Da Vinci Code. Economic populism presented in American values form seems the common thread for winning campaigns in red states. Well, Al Gore ran on the most explicitly populist message in a long time,

Re: God Is With Us L3

2004-12-18 Thread JDG
At 12:28 AM 12/18/2004 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote: Lots of stuff about Nariyah She didn't see it. It doesn't mean it didn't happen. Dave is a good orthodox leftist and an apologist for totalitarian dictators, Rob, but I thought better of you. That's what I fail to understand about

Gollum's precious little regard for his health

2004-12-18 Thread Travis Edmunds
http://www.theage.com.au/news/Film/What-made-Gollum-mad/2004/12/18/1103312773657.html?oneclick=true What made Gollum mad? December 18, 2004 The Lord of the Rings character Gollum was paranoid and had a split personality but this was because he probably suffered from vitamin deficiency, anaemia,

Scouted: Scalia To Synagogue - Jews Are Safer With Christians In Charge

2004-12-18 Thread The Fool
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1202-33.htm Scalia To Synagogue - Jews Are Safer With Christians In Charge by Thom Hartmann Antonin Scalia, the man most likely to be our next Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, turned history on its head recently when he attended an Orthodox synagogue

Re: Acts of War Re: God Is With Us L3

2004-12-18 Thread Nick Arnett
JDG wrote: I don't think that I would describe Gulf War I as an instance when we invaded Iraq. I think the label is appropriate any time one nation's military enters the other's territory uninvited, destroys stuff and kills people. Refusing this ordinary way of talking strikes me as less than

Re: Trade's Bounty

2004-12-18 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 09:03:18AM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: At the present, due to the growing imbalance, the jobs we might expect from free trade are not materializing, Sorry it took me so long to respond. Most of what you said I agree with, but the comment you made above seemed to come out

Re: Acts of War Re: God Is With Us L3

2004-12-18 Thread JDG
At 11:04 AM 12/18/2004 -0800 Nick Arnett wrote: I don't think that I would describe Gulf War I as an instance when we invaded Iraq. I think the label is appropriate any time one nation's military enters the other's territory uninvited, destroys stuff and kills people. Refusing this

Re: Acts of War Re: God Is With Us L3

2004-12-18 Thread Nick Arnett
JDG wrote: Later in this post, you make a distinction between tactical and strategic language.Do you agree that while US actions in Iraq in Gulf War I could be called an invasion in the tactical sense, they would not be described as an invasion in the strategic sense? I think that anything

Re: God Is With Us L3

2004-12-18 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 10:26 AM Subject: Re: God Is With Us L3 - Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL

Re: God Is With Us L3

2004-12-18 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 10:55 AM Subject: Re: God Is With Us L3 At 12:28 AM 12/18/2004 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote: Lots of stuff about Nariyah She didn't see it. It doesn't

Re: God Is With Us L3

2004-12-18 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Dec 18, 2004 at 03:24:19PM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: Given, however, that I've had to defend on this list the validity of the splended work Indict did on human rights under Iraq, but Our Distinguished Namesake (irony very much intended) will routinely accuse the President, and

Re: Acts of War Re: God Is With Us L3

2004-12-18 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll add that when you said I was being sanctimonious, I felt a bit pissed off. You don't know what I'm feeling unless I tell you. I hope this all doesn't seem hopelessly pedantic. I believe that language is one of the most important tools for

Re: Acts of War Re: God Is With Us L3

2004-12-18 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can only see it as strategic to Iraq if their purpose was to pull the West into the region in order to touch off a larger conflict. If it was to actually try to expand their borders, they were nuts, a possibility that cannot be discounted!

Re: God Is With Us L3

2004-12-18 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why should we bat an eye when we have Gautam and JDG to defend and rationalize everything Bush does? Gee, Erik, if someone came in and read this list, whose criticisms of Bush do you think they'd take seriously, mine or yours? Calling the occupation

Re: Acts of War Re: God Is With Us L3

2004-12-18 Thread maru
You've a good point there. I think Hussein has been widely under-rated; I've been hearing things about how he made preparations to aid the insurgency while the US was building up to an invasion (but obviously its been more successful than Hitler's plans along those lines). Also, I remember

Re: God Is With Us L3

2004-12-18 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Dec 18, 2004 at 03:40:18PM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: Gee, Erik, if someone came in and read this list, whose criticisms of Bush do you think they'd take seriously, mine or yours? Gee, Gautam, whose do you think they'd see? -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/

RE: God Is With Us L3

2004-12-18 Thread Horn, John
Behalf Of Gautam Mukunda something along the lines of (I'm not using quotation marks because I don't have the exact words): Don't misunderstand me, I was in Kuwait during the Iraqi invasion and I saw the hospital where the Iraqis stole incubators for premature babies. Saddam Hussein

RE: Iraqi Attacks and Violations Re: God Is With Us L3

2004-12-18 Thread Horn, John
Behalf Of JDG Also, I would include Iraqi Scud missile strikes on US barracks in Saudi Arabia before Gulf War I as attacks on our country. Um, John, I'm fairly certain this was *after* the air war started against Iraq. Remember the phrase the liberation of Kuwait has begun. I do. I

Re: God Is With Us L3

2004-12-18 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 6:59 PM Subject: RE: God Is With Us L3 Behalf Of Gautam Mukunda something along the lines of (I'm not using quotation marks because I don't have the

Re: Acts of War Re: God Is With Us L3

2004-12-18 Thread Nick Arnett
Gautam Mukunda wrote: I hope this all doesn't seem hopelessly pedantic. I believe that language is one of the most important tools for peacemaking. Geez, Nick, then stop using it as a tool to hinder communication. What's the antecedent of it in that sentence? Are you saying that it appears

Re: Acts of War Re: God Is With Us L3

2004-12-18 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Dec 18, 2004, at 4:33 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote: If you don't want to be seen as sanctimonious, stop being such a jerk every time someone disagrees with you. You're heading for Brin levels, for God's sake, and he may be the most obnoxious human being I've ever communicated with for any period

Re: Acts of War Re: God Is With Us L3

2004-12-18 Thread maru
Warren Ockrassa wrote: Jesus Howard Christ. I think it's spectacularly poor form to insult the person whose list a given group nominally is. If you really feel that Nick is sanctimonious and arrogant or behaves like a jerk with those who disagree with him (pot/kettle if ever I saw it) and

Re: God Is With Us L3

2004-12-18 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 5:24 PM Subject: Re: God Is With Us L3 --- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We keep our own house clean, do we not? xponent No

Re: Are You A Neocon? Neocon Quiz

2004-12-18 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: maru [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 5:40 PM Subject: Re: Are You A Neocon? Neocon Quiz Wait- Stalin's government was not overthrown? Unless you count the Politburo taking over when Stalin died

Re: Are You A Neocon? Neocon Quiz

2004-12-18 Thread maru
Dan, my point was that eventually a concatenance of factors led to the fall of the USSR- the economy being perhaps only the straw that broke the camel's back- that was possible because the camel's spine had been nearly snapped through under the weights of oppression, of which Stalin's reign was

Ellison's I, Robot screenplay book included with Costco I, Robot movie DVD

2004-12-18 Thread Bryon Daly
In a rather mystifying turn of events, Harlan Ellison's screenplay for an I, Robot movie (completely rejected by the producer) is being included in a Costco-only special edition of the I, Robot movie DVD. I've avoided the movie, because I knew I'd be disappointed by its utter lack of adherence

Earthsea in Clorox by Ursula K. Le Guin

2004-12-18 Thread Bryon Daly
I was disappointed I missed the Earthsea movie, but not so much, anymore: http://trashotron.com/agony/columns/2004/12-15-04.htm Earthsea in Clorox by Ursula K. Le Guin 1. Background: my (non)involvement with this production. For people

Re: our steep slide

2004-12-18 Thread Bryon Daly
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:11:26 -0500, Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 03:48:13PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: If SS were privatized, limiting investments to fairly conservative funds doesn't seem like a bad idea. IIRC, a general investment in an SP fund has