Re: Domain Hierarchy

2014-03-03 Thread David Hobby
On 3/3/2014 10:37 PM, trent shipley wrote: ... The second thing it made me think is that while it cannot be said that one science is more important than another, the discursive domains indexed by sciences can be ranked as more or less foundational or derived, or more pejoratively as reductionist

Re: For David Brin and the rest of you

2013-09-05 Thread David Hobby
On 9/5/2013 7:24 AM, ALBERTO VIEIRA FERREIRA MONTEIRO wrote: David Hobby wrote: Or are you worried about energy being beamed down inefficiently, producing much more heat than just the amount from people using energy directly? No, even if it was possible to beam energy with 100% efficiency

Re: For David Brin and the rest of you

2013-09-05 Thread David Hobby
On 9/5/2013 4:54 PM, Keith Henson wrote: The propulsion lasers to get the parts up to GEO at a cost where the whole thing makes economic sense, those are weapons, game changing weapons. And if I had to bet, it would be for them to be controlled by the Chinese. Keith Henson _ Now

Re: For David Brin and the rest of you

2013-09-04 Thread David Hobby
On 9/4/2013 4:40 PM, ALBERTO VIEIRA FERREIRA MONTEIRO wrote: Even if these things were economically viable (which they probably ain't), ambientally it would be a disaster. I can't image the Earth getting such extra amount of radiant energy and not turning it (she? Gaia?) into a hell much worse

Re: Obama II

2012-11-11 Thread David Hobby
On a related note, I've been reading about problems with the Romney campaign's software to organize election day get-out-the-vote efforts. My first reaction was Sabotage?, but now I'm betting that incompetence is the more likely explanation. See:

Re: Obama II

2012-11-11 Thread David Hobby
On 11/11/2012 6:00 PM, Dan Minette wrote: ... Well, I also read that parts of it simply failedreporting 0 votes from a long list on election day. The part that targeted voting lists to cull those who haven't voted for attention can be made modular. I don't think it was just a software

Re: Earth-size planet orbiting Alpha Centauri B

2012-10-17 Thread David Hobby
On 10/17/2012 7:12 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Not in the habitable zone, however . . . ... (3) Copy of the article to appear in today's issue of NATURE for those who want all of the technical details: http://www.eso.org/public/archives/releases/sciencepapers/eso1241/eso1241a.pdf Ronn--

Re: Brin: Existence has arrived...

2012-08-22 Thread David Hobby
On 8/22/2012 10:08 AM, Charlie Bell wrote: It's a shiny 3D hologram trade paperback. Very excited! Um. That's all. It's interesting how books get published differently in different countries. I got the hardcover, which has a shiny dust jacket. I liked the book, although I do have some

Re: Brin: Quantum Cryptography Outperformed By Thermodynamics

2012-06-15 Thread David Hobby
On 6/15/2012 2:37 AM, KZK wrote: But Eve, who is listening in to the publicly available noise, does not know which resistor was connected at each end and cannot work it out either because the laws of thermodynamics prevent the extraction of this information from this kind of signal. So why

Re: Brin: Quantum Cryptography Outperformed By Thermodynamics

2012-06-15 Thread David Hobby
on the AE line to random and deciphers the sequence that Alice used. Eve then Uses that sequence on the BE Line. Bob can't tell the difference between the AB line and the BE line, sets his resisters randomly and decodes the message. (Eve can even send Bob a False message). David Hobby Fri, 15

Re: Electronic interface options

2011-09-19 Thread David Hobby
Wayne-- Hi. I'm top-posting both to make my point and because that's what this webmail client wants to do. (My own computer has video card issues at the moment.) If one wants to reply to several different points in a previous post, it makes sense to do this in one email. But how does one

Re: Br¡n: On Fracking and Earthquakes

2011-09-18 Thread David Hobby
- Original Message - From: Ticia ti...@xs4all.nl To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 11:35:37 AM Subject: Re: Br¡n: On Fracking and Earthquakes On 27 Aug 2011, at 02:46, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 06:57 AM Friday

Re: Brin: Arguing Doesn't Work: Fact Vs Belief

2010-11-14 Thread David Hobby
KZK wrote: On 11/14/2010 10:39 AM, William T Goodall wrote: ... This is why it is futile to argue with religionists. That is obvious. Anyone who professes a belief in something unprovable (or provably false) is a denialist. This isn't really a fair criticism. Religious belief is often

The powers of cats

2010-11-11 Thread David Hobby
On a completely different note, but I felt like sharing it: One of my cats performed a successful internet search. I'd left the browser open, with iGoogle up. The cat's contribution was apparently typing 0222, a bit of mouse movement, and a click or an enter. What I woke up to was GoogleMaps,

Re: The powers of cats

2010-11-11 Thread David Hobby
Alberto Monteiro wrote: ... Is is beyond the intelligence level of cats to understand that it's possible to use the mouse and see interesting things in the screen? On a different note, do cats see computer screens the same way we do? I've seen videos of cats treating TVs as boxes with stuff

Re: Starting Engineer's Salaries

2010-10-21 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:09 PM, David Hobby hob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: Hi. I'm with Keith on this. A mortgage is not an absolute promise to pay back the loan. Rather, the deal is that if the borrower does not keep up payments, the lender can take back the property

Re: Down with the government

2010-10-21 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: ... By the way, the Chris' post fits the definition of a troll much better than anything I have posted recently, since it was not addressing any points that had been made in the thread so far, did not appear to make any effort to explain the change of subject or make a

Re: SETI@home (history)

2010-10-21 Thread David Hobby
Alberto Monteiro wrote: IIRC, there was a story somewhere that the s...@home software included a bug (like a crippleware) that would make it run _much slower_ than it could run, because there was not enough data for the millions of computers that would process this data. I am confusing things?

Re: Starting Engineer's Salaries

2010-10-20 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: ... Please explain why nobody but borrowers should have responsibility for a market failure, which seems to be what you are implying. No, you seem to be assuming that borrowers were losers, and the only losers, in the housing bubble. But regardless, it is a simple

StratoSolar

2010-10-13 Thread David Hobby
Keith Henson wrote: On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Dan Minette danmine...@att.net wrote: To: 'Killer Bs \(David Brin et al\) Discussion' We probably will never know if this StratoSolar method works. ... David Hobby hob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: I see bigger problems with losses

Re: StratoSolar

2010-10-11 Thread David Hobby
Keith Henson wrote: StratoSolar This is off NDA so I can go into detail. ... Ed's approach, which he named StratoSolar, was to reduce the mass from hundreds of kg per kW to a few tens of kg by moving the solar concentrator into the stratosphere as a large, lightweight, buoyant structure.

Re: Facebook troll

2010-09-08 Thread David Hobby
On 9/8/2010 2:42 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: Thanks Max, but the conversations on David's page are fascinating. However, the problem seems to be solved; I simply outed the troll, with his help. The fellow made himself rather obvious with his profile picture of a troll like creature, a prenom

Re: Really cheap energy

2010-09-08 Thread David Hobby
On 9/8/2010 4:32 PM, Wayne Eddy wrote: Sounds interesting, but I wonder how it would cope with a big storm? On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 4:07 AM, Keith Henson hkeithhen...@gmail.com mailto:hkeithhen...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.slideshare.net/chris8649/stratosolar-overview

Re: Trolls

2010-09-07 Thread David Hobby
On 9/7/2010 3:19 PM, John Williams wrote: On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Jon Louis Mannnet_democr...@yahoo.com wrote: Some time ago I unsubscribed from this list because of the comments of one person who has since matured. Now I am having a similar problem with someone on Dr. Brin's FB

Re: Britain leads the world

2010-08-13 Thread David Hobby
William T Goodall wrote: Jews and Muslims are allowed to ignore the laws on animal cruelty and engage in the barbaric practice of slitting the throats of live animals without numbing them in order to create kosher and halal meat. I don't have a big problem with this one. Back when it became a

Re: Having kids makes you unhappy

2010-07-07 Thread David Hobby
William T Goodall wrote: On 7 Jul 2010, at 22:45, Dan Minette wrote: It all has to do with value systems. I was mentioning William, not as finger pointing, but in recognition that he has a very different set of values than I do. I am an honest person who values truth and logical argument and

Re: 0.28 eV

2010-06-22 Thread David Hobby
Ronn! Blankenship wrote: BBC News - Neutrino 'ghost particle' sized up by astronomers http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science_and_environment/10364160.stm http://tinyurl.com/3yrm78g Ronn-- Thanks for the link. Uh..., for science writing of that quality, would it be possible to provide a clearer

Re: !Brin: Potter

2010-06-21 Thread David Hobby
KZK wrote: David Brin Wrote: Go read some of ther terrific “fanfic” or fan-generated fiction out there. Here’s a great example: futurist/scholar Eliezer Yudkowsky’s ongoing series/novel that is both a tribute to - and deconstruction of - J.K. Rowling’s fantasy universe. HARRY POTTER AND THE

Re: Any comments on this piece?

2010-06-18 Thread David Hobby
Alberto Monteiro wrote: David Hobby wrote: You have a wrong idea about Brazil. Unfortunately, the paradise that movies like Blame it on Rio or Tourists depict is as far away from actual Brazil as Escape from NY or The Postman [*] is from the actual USA. Is the difference between depiction

Re: Any comments on this piece?

2010-06-18 Thread David Hobby
Alberto Monteiro wrote: David Hobby wrote: Trying to think of a movie that portrays the USA as a good place to visit... American Pie, Basic Instinct,... ... And all of them portray the USA in a very positive way! Alberto-- Help me, I'm working on this. The message of Basic Instinct

Re: Any comments on this piece?

2010-06-17 Thread David Hobby
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Petrobras was :-) Did they make women's undergarments out of petroleum? You have a wrong idea about Brazil. Unfortunately, the paradise that movies like Blame it on Rio or Tourists depict is as far away from actual Brazil as Escape from NY or

Troll Wars 2: Report from Wikipedia

2010-03-18 Thread David Hobby
Alberto-- In the on-going saga of the pruning of Wikipedia, the article Streaker_(David_Brin) was proposed for deletion, but kept. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Streaker_(David_Brin)#Streaker_.28David_Brin.29 The proposer, Abductive, may even have been right.

Re: Patience

2010-02-23 Thread David Hobby
. Shame. C. I emailed him offlist about it, and here's his reply: David Hobby wrote: Michael Harney wrote: I thought I was ready to come back here. I was wrong. I was too damaged by the last few years of my life working in a job that I was ill suited for but had to do to make ends meet. I'll

Re: Brin Wiki and Trolls

2010-01-05 Thread David Hobby
Jon Louis Mann wrote: ... My sense is that this is a philosophical thing to him--he's in the Deletionist camp on Wikipedia, who want to limit the number of articles on non-notable topics. (He also questions articles on minor academic journals, people I've never heard of, and so on.) ...

Re: Brin Wiki and trolls

2010-01-04 Thread David Hobby
Jon Louis Mann wrote: I don't understand turning the Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia into a wiki format or what's a Brin Wiki, but I am all for doing anything to block trolls from remove any of Dr. Brin's contributions to the SF lexicon. Jon-- Hi. I guess the conversation got a bit

Re: The worst

2010-01-04 Thread David Hobby
Nick Arnett wrote: My friends I hate to write this. Been putting it off for a while. My younger sister, Lesley, the youngest of the four of us, mother of my five-year-old niece, Sarah, could not fight off the sepsis that attacked her body. Lesley died this morning. I have never hurt

Re: Honey, I'm home!

2010-01-04 Thread David Hobby
Jeroen van Baardwijk wrote: Hi all! ... I'm back. ... Jeroen “Blast From The Past” van Baardwijk Jeroen-- Hi, and welcome back. It has been awhile. One question: What are your plans for the other Brin-L, the one at http://www.brin-l.com/frame.html ? I'd suppose that the archives for

Re: The wikipedia trolls may win again (III) :-/

2010-01-01 Thread David Hobby
... It seems like they are running a seek-and-destroy against every Brin stuff in wikipedia. After Alvin, the trolls will delete Streaker. The Troll is targeting for deletion: Gubru, G'Kek, EarthClan, Tymbrimi, Streaker (David Brin), Jophur, and Alvin Hph-wayuo. ... If we want the articles

Re: Another Conserpadia accidental joke: Fidel Castro is dead

2009-12-30 Thread David Hobby
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Trent Shipley wrote: No, this one may be right. Fidel got too sick to rule and was followed by his brother Raul(?). What is the _reliable_ source that Fidel is undead? Alberto Monteiro How about Van Helsing's _Who's Who of Vampires_?

Re: The wikipedia trolls may win again (III) :-/

2009-12-29 Thread David Hobby
... It seems like they are running a seek-and-destroy against every Brin stuff in wikipedia. After Alvin, the trolls will delete Streaker. The Troll is targeting for deletion: Gubru, G'Kek, EarthClan, Tymbrimi, Streaker (David Brin), Jophur, and Alvin Hph-wayuo. It must be a Brin-hater.

Re: The wikipedia trolls may win again :-/

2009-12-28 Thread David Hobby
Alberto Monteiro wrote: David Hobby wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_Hph-wayuo Alberto-- Hi. I think you can make a good case to keep it, since it involves a major character in a series of popular science fiction novels. No, not my language, not my place to battle. I've tried

Re: The wikipedia trolls may win again :-/

2009-12-28 Thread David Hobby
Charlie Bell wrote: On 29/12/2009, at 3:44 AM, David Hobby wrote: Alberto-- Wow, I guess it is my place to battle. I've been going back and forth with the troll, at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alvin_Hph-wayuo Some of this is because I don't really understand his criteria, or what

Re: [Fwd: Re: The wikipedia trolls may win again :-/]

2009-12-27 Thread David Hobby
Trent Shipley wrote: ... A quick Google doesn't turn up any strong scifi literary wikis. Given the structure of a well designed wiki, David Brin's Uplift Universe should be a viable category effectively acting as a sub-wiki. In short, you can have both. ... From: Alberto Vieira Ferreira

Re: Recursion in C, as told by Kernigan, Ritchie, and Lovecraft

2009-12-16 Thread David Hobby
Warren Ockrassa wrote: I really enjoyed this, but can't share it with my colleagues, since they wouldn't get either reference. Sometimes it's really a pain in the ass to be a programmer and English major working in a PR department as the graphics guy.

Re: How to tell if a star has planets?

2009-11-15 Thread David Hobby
Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 02:05 PM Saturday 11/14/2009, Keith Henson wrote: Go there and look. ... Yeah, I've suggested that before, but it's hard enough getting funding for something like Kepler . . . . . . ronn! :) I still thought it could be a nice result, if it panned out. Before

Re: How to tell if a star has planets?

2009-11-12 Thread David Hobby
Deborah Harrell wrote: David Hobby hob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: Debbi wrote: Are protoplanets made of protomatter?! Just who are these surveyors, and are they being unethical scientists!? Is protomatter related to protomorphogens, the 'primitive matter which makes up organs' and is sold

Re: How to tell if a star has planets?

2009-11-12 Thread David Hobby
Deborah Harrell wrote: David Hobby hob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: ... O.K., how about stem cells, made from the stems of real plants? (Yarrow could be good, for the I Ching connection. But papaver somniferum was my first choice.) I actually had to look up the latter - all the times I've seen

How to tell if a star has planets?

2009-11-11 Thread David Hobby
Hi. I just saw the following in article summaries from Nature. The actual article is behind a paywall, but this seems interesting. ---David Editor's Summary 12 November 2009 In search of solar lithium Stars similar to the Sun in age, mass and composition

Re: How to tell if a star has planets?

2009-11-11 Thread David Hobby
Deborah Harrell wrote: David Hobby hob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: Hi. I just saw the following in article summaries from Nature. The actual article is behind a paywall, but this seems interesting. ... Are protoplanets made of protomatter?! Just who are these surveyors, and are they being

Re: The thread about the thread Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-10-25 Thread David Hobby
Doug Pensinger wrote: Julia wrote: It's amazing what you find needs doing when you finally have all your kids in school for a full day for the first time ever. I might have most of it done by the time school gets out in early June! I've heard the same thing about retirement; my

Re: The thread about the thread Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-10-25 Thread David Hobby
Julia Thompson wrote: ... I think in both cases, it's sort of a deferred maintenance problem. When you finally have time, there's a BIG backlog to deal with. ... Yes. And in our case, it was compounded by our daughter refusing to sleep in the room she shared with her twin brother, starting

Re: Fwd: Another on-line test . . .

2009-10-14 Thread David Hobby
Ronn! Blankenship wrote: This is a story about a girl. While at the funeral of her own mother, she met a guy whom she did not know. She thought this guy was amazing, so much the dream guy that she was searching for that she fell in love with him immediately. However, she never asked for his

Re: Wife's suggestion!

2009-09-22 Thread David Hobby
Charlie Bell wrote: On 23/09/2009, at 8:26 AM, Pat Mathews wrote: If I was uncivil, I apologize. I said what it appeared to me to be, but I may be wrong. At any rate, this was addressed, not to those who considered the plea ineffective, but those who began religious arguments. Well, this

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-08 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:31 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: No, I didn't bring it up. Would you prefer the statement I am prepared to make everybody in America pay their share to keep people from dying because they can't afford to pay for basic health care.?

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-08 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:02 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: John Williams wrote: I don't get this. You recently wrote: No, I do not propose that the US should abolish all taxes, and I have written that here before. So some taxes are O.K.? But I imagine that

Is taxation ever justified, was: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-08 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:02 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: John Williams wrote: I don't get this. You recently wrote: No, I do not propose that the US should abolish all taxes, and I have written that here before. So some taxes are O.K.? But I imagine that

Re: Is taxation ever justified, was: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-08 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:23 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: here's a new thread, as per your request. I don't really see why a new thread is justified, since this seems to get at something you've said repeatedly in the old thread. You claim that spending taxes

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-08 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:29 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: Until this is resolved, kindly cease to refer to taxation as taking your money, etc. Are you serious? Yes. It's a dishonest way to refer to it, since you admit that taxation is in principle

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-08 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Bruce Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On Sep 8, 2009, at 4:19 PM, John Williams wrote: If you really want to discuss this again, please start a new thread and ask me again. *If*. Right. I already stated my opinion that I don't

Re: Is taxation ever justified, was: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-08 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: ... John-- At the moment, it's not clear to me that you HAVE any coherent views on the legitimacy of taxation. If you do, feel free to outline them. It seems that whenever I press you for details on this kind of thing, you get vague. Can you do better than taxation is

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-08 Thread David Hobby
Jo Anne wrote: Hello list-- Dan wrote: Anyways, when we aren't arguing with John; not much is said around here any more. None of us has his talent for generating list traffic. :-) To which I would argue, is low traffic a bad thing? I think the signal:noise ratio has gone way up, lately.

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-08 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 5:44 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: Yes. It's a dishonest way to refer to it, since you admit that taxation is in principle justified. Calling a spade a spade is not dishonest. And I did not admit that taxation is in principle

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-08 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: ... On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 5:44 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: Yes. It's a dishonest way to refer to it, since you admit that taxation is in principle justified. ... Arguing fairly and honestly is the way to have a discussion with me. You're still not

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-07 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 8:56 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: (Anyway, aren't charitable contributions tax-deductible?) You do realize that tax-deductible means that your taxes are reduced by some fraction of the amount you donate, not the whole amount? Less than

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-07 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:31 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: Your argument seemed to be: Money I pay in taxes is money I won't give to worthy charities. I didn't buy the ARGUMENT, for obvious reasons. That was not an attack on your views. It is not an

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-07 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 7:55 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: If you are giving that much to charity, that's good. But it's mostly irrelevant to what we were talking about. Possibly irrelevant, but you were the one that brought it up, saying you were prepared to

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-06 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: ... Taking away my money against my will and limiting my choices for what kind of health care I can purchase is taking away my freedom of choice. ... John-- This is why I've quit talking with you about health insurance. When pressed, your bottom line seems to be taxation

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-06 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: ... Yes, I AM prepared to make you pay your share to keep people from dying Really? Would you literally come to my house with a gun and force me to give you money, telling me that you know better who

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-06 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Bruce Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Beyond proposals, though, there is a very strong argument to be made that it's inhumane to simply leave people to die if they can't find insurance coverage to pay for medical care that costs

Re: DeLong on health insurance reform

2009-09-06 Thread David Hobby
Patrick Sweeney wrote: ... No, that's what governments are for. I agree with you, they do tax by force. So? Someone else asked this in an earlier conversation, but does anyone else on the list ever have the government come to their house with a gun and force them to file their taxes? It's

Re: More Pluto Goofyness . . .

2009-08-26 Thread David Hobby
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Charlie Bell wrote: IIRC, Phobos is falling and Deimos is leaving Mars. ...and our moon is leaving too. No, it's not. If the Sun didn't explode [*], the Earth-Moon system would stabilize in two tidal-locked bodies. Alberto-- I'd go with doesn't, but that does make

Re: More Pluto Goofyness . . .

2009-08-26 Thread David Hobby
Bruce Bostwick wrote: ... And why with 100+ moons, none of them has a sub-moon? My guess would be that there just aren't many stable solutions to a close-in three-body problem like that. Jupiter's gravitational effects dominate the orbital dynamics of a good part of the solar system, and

Re: List administrators: list broken!

2009-08-21 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: ... I wonder if the list administrators are reading this thread... Where are the we ? Right here, as always. But we don't own the list. (I'm not sure passive/aggressive is the right word, but seriously, give it a rest...) ---David

Re: List administrators: list broken!

2009-08-21 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 6:15 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: (I'm not sure passive/aggressive is the right word, but seriously, give it a rest...) One of us apparently has no sense of humor. Because of course, it couldn't just have not been funny. : )

Re: List administrators: list broken!

2009-08-21 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 6:43 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: John Williams wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 6:15 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: (I'm not sure passive/aggressive is the right word, but seriously, give it a rest...) One of us apparently

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-17 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: It is interesting what some people find rude which does not seem rude to others. I suspect that a neutral observer would look at my posts during the last few weeks and judge that they are not at all rude. I have been asking some uncomfortable questions, but not making any

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-17 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Nick Arnettnick.arn...@gmail.com wrote: We have a sense of community here, along with the usual collaterals of explicit and implicit standards of behavior and discourse. We do, indeed. We don't like straw men or trolls (which I can't help

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-17 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: ... We don't like straw men or trolls ... There's that we several more times. How many people subscribe to this email list, and how many of them do you speak for when you say we? How did you determine that these people have that view? You're not going to claim that all

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-16 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:15 AM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: ... Yes, Charlie is someone I respect. His posts are thoughtful, and when he argues, he does it in a fair and constructive way. So, you consider his post to me thoughtful, constructive, and worthy of

Re: A Real Free Market in Health Care

2009-08-16 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Patrick Sweeneyfirefly.ga...@gmail.com wrote: When you reach a point where the suggested solution to ridiculously overpriced health insurance is to take out an insurance policy on your insurance ... perhaps it's a sign that you ought to

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-13 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:50 PM, dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote: I wasn't clear. They don't understand enough about what is being regulated to enforce the laws. The laws are very clear to me; its how one interprets these clear laws in the light

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-13 Thread David Hobby
Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Aug 12, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Dan M wrote: No, that is the fault of the laws as written. The problem with the court system is that they do not understand enough to enforce the laws as written. There is also the problem of laws written by people who often fail to

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-13 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:36 AM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: I'd argue that the patent laws are not that poorly written, the problem is that there's latitude in their interpretation. I think that may be an unavoidable problem. Are you including the patents

Re: Why not discuss the topic?

2009-08-12 Thread David Hobby
dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote: Original Message: - From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com ... Just so you know: 1) I saw your similar post about this the first time, several weeks ago 2) We had a similar discussion last year 3) Because of 2) and things that you write

Re: A Real Free Market in Health Care

2009-08-12 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: I think this WSJ article is free for anyone to read: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204251404574342170072865070.html but just in case you cannot read it, here are the 8 bullet points ... Repeal government mandates regarding what insurance companies must

Re: Why not discuss the topic?

2009-08-12 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:07 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: That is what I'm taking away from this, too. Dan's response seemed on topic to me. If you would like to discuss any specific points from the last time this came up (late last year), I would be glad to

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-12 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: #1 patent-related #2 patent-related #4 IP-related #5 patent-related Sounds like you have a problem with the government-run patent system. Yes. He's saying it doesn't actually work the way you think it would, since there's latitude for people to game the system. How

Re: A Real Free Market in Health Care

2009-08-12 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:15 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: John Williams wrote: Repeal government mandates regarding what insurance companies must cover. ... Make costs transparent so that consumers understand what health-care treatments cost. ... Going

Re: A Real Free Market in Health Care

2009-08-12 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Lance A. Brownla...@bearcircle.net wrote: John Williams wrote: There are billions of people around the world with worse healthcare than virtually everyone in the United States. If the goal is to redistribute wealth to improve healthcare

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-12 Thread David Hobby
Trent Shipley wrote: David Hobby wrote: John Williams wrote: ... Sounds like you have a problem with the government-run patent system. Yes. He's saying it doesn't actually work the way you think it would, since there's latitude for people to game the system. How would a non-government-run

Re: A Real Free Market in Health Care

2009-08-12 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:26 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote: How on earth is the average consumer going to check that their policy is NOT full of loopholes? ... As for how a consumer can decide what product or service is best for them, I can think of several

Re: Br!n: Libertarian Morality--Up with good King John, down with Robin Hood.

2009-08-07 Thread David Hobby
Trent Shipley wrote: ... The moral principle that taxes are theft suffers from a similar limitation. Logically taxes ARE theft. Newspeak! I stand behind this. When theft is understood as any taking, except as punishment, then taxes are logically a form of theft. It's a logical

Re: Brin: Libertarian Morality--Up with good King John, down with Robin Hood.

2009-08-06 Thread David Hobby
Trent Shipley wrote: I wrote a suggestion to my Arizona State legislators about de-funding the state universities in favor of tuition vouchers. ... Dear Senator Linda Gray, Representative Doug Quelland, and Representative Jim Weiers, ... “Be it resolved that the mission of Arizona's public

Re: Brin: Libertarian Morality--Up with good King John, down with Robin Hood.

2009-08-06 Thread David Hobby
Trent Shipley wrote: Hi. It's interesting. I wonder about the last bit, though. How does one tell whether or not a profession is essential? (I can certainly name some that I feel are NOT essential, but let's get beyond our personal biases.) One answer may be a profession is essential

Re: On 'Incomprehesibility'

2009-08-02 Thread David Hobby
William T Goodall wrote: On 1 Aug 2009, at 22:14, David Hobby wrote: William T Goodall wrote: ... NTSC vs. PAL: Not a fair criticism. That mess was created a LONG time ago, and was also a problem with VHS tapes. (A bigger problem, since the players were analog.) Even with HD the frame

Re: Brin: On 'Incomprehesibility'

2009-08-01 Thread David Hobby
William T Goodall wrote: On 1 Aug 2009, at 09:12, KZK wrote: Dr. Brin Wrote: ... True, copyright piracy is (generally) bad. But the bloody inconvenience and blithering incomprehensibility of simply using a modern DVD player to watch a film that you already own - let alone ... I don't

Re: Screwy Irregulars Question

2009-07-01 Thread David Hobby
Ronn! Blankenship wrote: I have a new lawn mower. According to the instructions I need to change the oil before using the mower again (the instructions say to change the oil after the first 5 hours of operation, which is about how long it ran mowing the whole yard twice, which is what I've

Re: Uplift Universe question....

2009-05-28 Thread David Hobby
Chaton Jean-Marc wrote: * Alberto Monteiro [Fri, 08/05/2009 at 14:18 -0200] Dogs, elephants, and a few other animals are explicitly mentioned as pre-sapient candidates that Earthclan is forbidden to uplift - two clients are too much for even an elder galactic race. Is it my faulting memory,

Re: New Uplift Universe question....

2009-05-08 Thread David Hobby
Dan M wrote: I've got a question that I think about when I think of Brin. He hasn't written a regular novel since Kiln People, which was about 6 years ago...and his last graphic novel was a year after that. Is it fair to say that, while he will continue to write short fiction, the probability

Re: New Uplift Universe question....

2009-05-08 Thread David Hobby
Charlie Bell wrote: ... We could find out through the magic of actually asking someone who might know. Say, himself? :) Cheater! ---David Gorilla my dreams, maru ___

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