Julia wrote:
I wrote:
Erik wrote:
I guess I haven't been clear (or perhaps you are confusing my position
with Bush's confusing rhetoric).
Or maybe I'm somewhat dense when it comes to this stuff. Thanks for
clarifying things for me.
If you're dense, you're not unduly so.
I mean, I doubt that
Erik wrote:
I guess I haven't been clear (or perhaps you are confusing my position
with Bush's confusing rhetoric).
Or maybe I'm somewhat dense when it comes to this stuff. Thanks for
clarifying things for me.
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Violating the Constitution
Max Sawicky watches the Republican clown show continue:
MaxSpeak, You Listen!: LENINIST-OLIGARCH EXPROPRIATIONIST WATCH: This is
becoming too frequent a feature. It never pays to underestimate the
craven, reactionary mendacity of the Grand Old Party.
Julia wrote:
We're weighing him twice a day, once before breakfast, once before bed.
The bedtime weight is higher than the pre-breakfast weight. The past 3
nights, he's been over 8kg at bedtime, and this morning, he was over 8kg
before breakfast. (8 kg is approximately 17 lbs. 10 oz.)
He's
Sometime listmember Brad DeLong's take:
http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/
Why Am I Not For Bush's Social Security Reform?
It's strange--I ought to be a member of what Joshua Micah Marshall calls
the faint-hearted faction--those Democrats excited about doing something
for Social
Vilyehm wrote:
I've been there.
There are homes in the bay area?
Trees too!
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When are you leaving the area, Russel? It's a shame we didn't have lunch
while you were here.
How was your trip?
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Warren wrote:
It's your life, your time to waste, and your problem, of course.
But of course he doesn't consider it a problem and there's not much any of
us could do or say to change that. So perhaps the right way to deal with
those mannerisms that we are uncomfortable with but that we can't do
JDG wrote:
Why should it?
Because it is obligated to, maybe? This strikes me as a very bizarre
question somewhere along the lines of why should I pay on a loan the bank
gave me, but perhaps I misunderstand you.
Do you believe that Social Security should run a surplus and then put
that money
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 05:46:49 -0500, Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 08:32:12PM -0800, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Are you saying that the government should not be obligated to pay what
they borrowed from Social Security?
No. I did not say that. Not even close. What the hell
Erik wrote:
Apparently you don't understand the difference between 2005 and 2075 and
70 years of 1.5% increases.
Probably not. What has been the average increase 1935-2005?
I agree that Social Security _should be_ a safety net for low income
retirees, but that's kind of a hard sell to people
Trent wrote:
Bad Islamic theology, especially given God's willingness to sacrifice the
faithful as collateral damage.
In fact, the vast majority of those killed were probably not engaged in
such terrible sins as nudity.
Very sound Islamic theology.
There is evil in the world.
Evil (often)
Erik wrote:
No doubt it will be paid. But how? Answer: by raising taxes, borrowing
more money (thus pushing up interest rates) or starting up the printing
press. All ways, you slow the economy. Not that the problem can be
blamed entirely on SS (Bush should have been cutting spending along with
his
Erik wrote:
The dirty little secret of this shrill rant is that SOMEBODY has to
pay, no matter what you do. These bozos pretend that people are somehow
entitled to live like kings and that nobody has to pay for it. Don't
believe the hype.
Live like kings?? If I was 65 this year and started to
Frome the end of this NYT article:
Gulf Arabs Wonder: Are They Being Stingy With Aid?
[http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/04/international/worldspecial4/04arab.html?pagewanted=1thoref=login]
or
http://tinyurl.com/5ew9l
The view that wanton behavior provoked the quake was the subject of
Friday sermons
Reggie wrote:
The vet that we take our guinea pigs and pygmie hedgehog to see uses a
Dremel to do their nails. Also, the long front teath of guinea pigs
continue to grow their entire life, and when they are not in the wild
they
often grow long enough to become a problem. Our vet uses her Dremel
Vilyehm wrote:
That's why the sides are L---oh hell, you're
the professional smart alack.
I'm thinking he's not the only one around here.
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On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 09:21:46 -0800 (PST), Damon Agretto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
it's all relative. Just throwing a lot of money at
something doesn't guarantee a solution, nor does it
promise to help any more efficiently than a smaller
amount. A sufficient donation from a country with a
smaller
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:01:28 -0800 (PST), Matt Grimaldi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Trent Shipley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So when was David Brin going to
tell us about HoloceneChat?
More importantly, how long until
we can use it to host the Brin-L
chat (to help you test it of course)?
He
Trent wrote:
So when was David Brin going to tell us about HoloceneChat?
More importantly, how long until we can use it to host the Brin-L chat
(to
help you test it of course)?
Maybe it would help to get people to show up for the chat, eh?
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Alberto wrote:
But what is the point of buying a new one if I don't fknow how to remove
the old one?
Do your kids have any pets? You could always rig up the fan to provide
ventilation in a small animal enclosure. Or you could build a micro wind
tunnel to test airborne nano-tech.
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Nick Arnett wrote:
JDG wrote:
O.k., I presume that you believed then and continue to believe now that
Baathist Iraq had the capability to mass produce chemical weapons.
I also presume that you believed then and continue to believe now that
Baathist Iraq had the capability to mass produce anthrax,
Gautam wrote (quite a while ago):
Popularity doesn't have anything to do with it.
Except when it does, as you say below.
No, I don't. To wit, if you are the C.O. of a ship at sea, someone who
supposedly has absolute power, and there are members of your crew that you
don't like but whom are
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:21:01 -0600, Ronn Blankenship
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 10:30 21-12-04 -0800, Damon Agretto wrote:
Will it be purple-gray, by any chance?
And a love for the 3 Stooges?
I take it no one recognized my reference
Not I. I didn't even know what Damon was talking about. A
Damon wrote:
I thought the reference was to SHort Circut. Thus the
3 Stooges reference (if you recall, Number 5 dressed
up 2 of the other 'bots as the 3 stooges and
programmed their silver-screen personas into them). Of
course maybe I just missed the reference and was
barking up the wrong tree.
JDG wrote:
This would be democracy at work, would it not?
Is it democracy when some miniscule portion of the electorate wields
disproportionate power?
And aren't you the one that keeps insisting that the U.S. _isn't_ a
democracy? Or are we only a democracy when you like the results?
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Robert wrote:
It snows here in Houston every 10 years or so, but this is the first
time in living memory that it has snowed on Christmas/Christmas Eve.
We have about an inchinch and a half..at least everywhere that
is not paved, and even some of that is starting to get frosted.
People here
William wrote:
American universities, which for half a century have attracted the
world's best and brightest students with little effort, are suddenly
facing intense competition as higher education undergoes rapid
globalization.
Yea, but I bet they can't find creation science classes anywhere
http://www.freep.com/news/nw/gitmo21e_20041221.htm
or
http://tinyurl.com/425bb
FBI agents back up abuse allegations
In August, a Boston-based agent described incidents such as this: I
entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and foot in a
fetal position on the floor, with no
Activists Dominate Content Complaints
http://tinyurl.com/5fhoy
In an appearance before Congress in February, when the controversy over
Janet Jacksons Super Bowl moment was at its height, Federal
Communications Commission chairman Michael Powell laid some startling
statistics on U.S. senators.
Gautam wrote:
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year everybody. I will
be on vacation and away from e-mail for a while.
Baltimore area, I presume...
My best to you and your families.
Same to you Gautam, be safe. We'll keep the list warm for you. 8^)
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Gautam wrote:
You wouldn't? You're awfully certain about which
policies are right and wrong on a lot of different
issues to agree with what I've written. The two
stances conflict.
I have strong opinions on many subjects, but expressing an opinion doesn't
equal certianty.
If you want my
I thought I already sent this - over three hours ago, but I don't see it
on the list so I'll try again.
Gautam wrote:
See, Doug, this is where we disagree. You have
somehow managed to convince yourself that the rest of
the world is interested in the right thing.
No, _I'm_ interested in doing
Gautam wrote:
Yes, that is usually part of the definition of foreign
policy. Anyone who _knows_ what to do about Iran or
North Korea is either lying or a fool.
True, but you still need to have some basic idea of how you would approach
the problem.
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JDG wrote:
Well, you probably wouldn't give him much credit for anything.
I give him a lot of credit: 1200+ dead U.S. servicemen, tens of thousands
of dead Iraqi civilians, soaring oil company profits, huge federal
deficits, the decline of the middle class, 10,000,000 people without
health
JDG wrote:
I also find it extremely difficult to believe that you don't understand
that Dr. Brin very intentionally used the first formulation rather than
the second formulation, basically because that is precisely the charge he
wanted to level against the government of Saudi Arabia.
Bush's
Gautam wrote:
I have many basic ideas about how I would approach the
problem. Doesn't mean that any of them will work.
The best case scenario might well be just limiting the
damage - there may be no solution to the problem.
That's why foreign policy is hard.
I wouldn't disagree with a word you've
Warren wrote:
The one following that is When will Congress impeach Bush?
Never until the people in this country wake up to the fact that they're
getting reamed.
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Dan wrote:
My impression was that this lack reflected inadequate planning for the
shape the war has now taken. Yes, you go to war with the army you have,
but the equipment one has does depend on whether one has anticipated the
needs properly.
Beyond that, there is no way, with proper leadership,
Realist. But there were no good answers to some of the questions.
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Dan wrote:
Indeed, he appears to be the inverse of his father...all the vision
thing and virtually no practical implementation.
'cept I wouldn't give him much credit for vision either.
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Dave Land wrote:
Which Ten Commandments? From Positive Atheism:
http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/whichcom.htm
Dave
How interesting that Catholisism has deleted the graven image commandment
altogether. I wonder what the history behind that is?
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kerri wrote:
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone else hear use Itunes extensively?
I do I do!
First, are you using this on mac or winders?
Winders.
1. Shuffle. While I think that over a long time span the shuffle is
essentially random, I've noticed that over a shorter period
Dan wrote:
It is a different, related question. There is a hypothesis that clearly
fits the data, including comments by sex workers. Women who feel that
they already are in a degraded state with regards to sex are much more
likely to take a job that is inherently degrading.
So if that's the
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:41:18 +, Alberto Monteiro
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Erik Reuter wrote:
Does anyone know where I can find a table with the pressures of Rio de
Janeiro over the year?
Does anyone know where I can find a table of how many people in the
world can ask more ambiguous
Dan wrote:
In short, I'd consider prostitutes women who are in a bad place in their
lives, not women who should be considered criminal.
This is a more reasonable argument, but still does not deal with all
aspects of the problem. As long as there is a demand for prostitutes and
women willing to
Dan wrote:
BTW, I'm not arguing either against/for legalization here. I'm arguing
that one should now be seeing marked differences between prostitutes in
the US and Germany/Netherlands as a result of legalization if the source
of the difficulties experienced by prostitutes is fundamentally the
Does anyone else hear use Itunes extensively? I was wondering if anyone
else has noticed some of the idiosyncrasies/problems that I have. A short
list:
1. Shuffle. While I think that over a long time span the shuffle is
essentially random, I've noticed that over a shorter period it seems to
Dan wrote:
I've been rather busy, though, fighting for the proposition that there
is an intrinsic problem with prostitution that won't go away simply
by changing societies attitudes towards the activity.
Everything has intrinsic problems, methinks, though some are less
important than others.
Dan wrote:
So, the idea that prostitution is not problematic is immune to
falsification for 100 years or so?
The question isn't whether or not prostitution is problematic; it's
whether or not the decriminalization of prostitution makes it less
problematic. Furthermore, the fact that there are
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:46:36 -0600, Steve Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dan Minette wrote:
Sex is tied to one's emotions, to one's sense of self in a
way that cleaning toilets, flipping burgers, raking yards,
going down coal mines, etc. are not.
No, but all those actions could be turned
JDG wrote:
Let me be clear that I was outraged by the Super Bowl Halftime Show long
before Janet Jackson ever appeared - everything from Kid Rock blatantly
violating the US Flag Code to a dance performance that was extremely
raunchy.In fact, I was so disgusted that I was in the restroom when
Dan wrote:
I don't know. Beer, as opposed to cigarettes can be enjoyed for its own
sake, and not as part of an addicting pattern. For example, we got a 6
pack of beer a couple of weeks ago, and I've had three beers during that
time with meals that seem to call for beer instead of milk or water.
We hear so much about the free market being the paradigmatic system, but
at least in my eyes, the pharmasutical industry is an example of laissez
faire dysfunction. Take the ED stuff; Lavitra Cialis and Viagra for
instance. We have competing drug firms - good because this keeps prices
Warren wrote:
My my, you're bored stiff, aren't you?
Well it started out as a serious post...
I guess the ED drugs were needed to keep the intellectual masturbation
going.
But they've gone nuts with the advertising, don't you think?
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Julia wrote:
I wonder if we would even be having this discussion if it had been
Payton Manning instead of T.O.?
I think Payton Manning would have had better taste than to agree to
participate in the promo T.O. was in. :)
Now you see, people just love to hate him! 8^) Do visions of him dancing
JDG wrote:
I don't think that's quite accurate outside of San Francisco. TO is the
#1 selling jersey in the NFL, IIRC.
Of course. He's the resident bad boy of sports - the kind rebellious kids
admire the most. Besides we don't hate T.O. here nearly as much as they
hate him in Texas.
I
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 04:55:58 -0800 (PST), Gautam Mukunda
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
See http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0599/052499t1.htm
for an interesting article talking about that number
for the last few Cabinets.
Very interesting - stuff I hadn't heard like the effectivness of Cabinet
I found this article on the Monday Night Football debacle this week to be
on target.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/rapoport/cst-spt-rap18.html
or
http://tinyurl.com/5d8ko
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JDG wrote:
Anyhow, just about every paragraph in this piece was off-target, but the
above are probably the best examples.
So it's just OK for the _sponsors_ of football to plug sex and
intoxicating drugs to this oh-so-easily offended crowd because they
understand that someone needs to pay.
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:12:19 -0800 (PST), David Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From personal experience I
can tell you that it is
very cool to get a package from back home when
you've been deployed for
many months.
Doug, if you still have contacts
I sent this last night but it doesn't seem to have shown up on the list.
Try again.
Gautam wrote:
As an empirical point, I believe that this has been
the most stable Cabinet in modern history. The
average span of a Clinton Cabinet member was, IIRC, 18
months. These are shattering,
David wrote:
Though it is tempting to say that rural boys are at
the front - helping to make up for the fact that we
urbanites are the chief terror targets - that would
simply be churlish. Brave fellows deserve our
support, even if they are betrayed at the top.
Every few months my company matches
Nick wrote:
He was killed in Fallujah.
My deepest sympathies, Nick. I can only imagine the range of emotions
days after welcoming a new grandchild into the world.
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JDG wrote:
I'm tempted to mention something about allegiance to a foreign power
here, but I won't dwell on it.
How about allegiance to humanity.
Rather, I'd point out that I think that there is something vaguely
unsettling about being sorry for America being a democratic republic.
We're not sorry
Half of America apologizes to the world:
http://www.sorryeverybody.com/
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Sonja wrote:
I wish you all well.
I wish you well too, Sonja and regret that you feel you need to unsub. I
do think you're a little hard on Nick - he does spend his own time and
resources on maintaining the list without compensation. I don't doubt
that you've had problems and are justifiably
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:17:34 -0800, Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'm happy to announce that the newest member of our extended family
(but only a bit newer than my sister's daughter born a couple of weeks
ago in Pittsburgh) arrived at 5:50 yesterday. Mom and baby are fine.
The
http://slate.msn.com/id/2108887/#ContinueArticle
Apologies if this article has already been posted.
From the intro:
The report's authors derive this figure by estimating how many Iraqis
died in a 14-month period before the U.S. invasion, conducting surveys on
how many died in a similar period
John wrote:
What is more likely, that Kerry really won PA by 7% and that a State
with a Democratic governor fixed the vote for Bush, or that the
pre-election polls showing PA to be very close were right and the exit
polls were simply
systematically wrong in some way?
Why are the exit polls all
Gautam wrote:
We're looking at that issue right now, actually. Two
complementary initial guesses, but they're both just
that. Exit polls tend to be taken in
higher-population districts.
Well how stupid is that? Why in the hell would they bias their polls in
such a way as to make them useless?
John wrote:
Therfore, I do feel quite comfortable in saying that the comparison
doesn't hold.After all, nobody here says I'm personally opposed to
killing
gays, but I don't want to impose my morality on other people by voting to
make killing gays illegal.
I see how you rationalize it John,
Damon wrote:
Some may be. Enlisting in the US Military has NEVER been subject to the
condition of citizenship. Any person can qualify to join the Army, no
matter what country they come from, or what citizenship they hold
(barring any extenuation circumstances, like espionage etc). But I have
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:49:10 -0800 (PST), Gautam Mukunda
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since we've heard a lot about Red States and Blue
States I thought posting a link to this graphic would
be interesting. I'd been planning on making it
myself, but luckily someone much better at computers
beat me to
Damon wrote:
I'm wondering what your take is on the draft, Damon. I don't see how
Iraq can be subdued without greater numbers and I think that it's
likely that we'll begin to loose coalition members as the violence
continues; what if the UK pulls out?
Well, its as I had said before: we reap
JDG wrote:
First, am I the only one who found Doug's response here to be quite the
non sequitur?
How so?
Secondly, for whatever it is worth, I would point out that Kerry never
indicated for a moment that he had a better plan for winning this thing
than Bush did..
The election's over John.
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Gautam wrote:
Well, first, I don't agree with that interpretaion of
what happened in Vietnam. After the Tet Offensive the
insurgency per se was basically non-existent in
South Vietnam. Almost all major military engagements
were with North Vietnamese troops who crossed the
border.
I'm all but
Julia Thompson wrote:
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Doug Pensinger wrote:
JDG wrote:
First, am I the only one who found Doug's response here to be quite
the
non sequitur?
How so?
I thought it looked like a response to something in a different thread.
The Purple America thread seemed to be about county
John wrote:
This is, of course, my point. Throughout human history one group of
humans has sought to define a nother group of humans that are not like
us in some way, as not having the full rights of humanity.In every
previous case, we have gone on to look with horror upon those who make
Gautam wrote:
Whoever wins (my final prediction) I don't think it
will be as close as people think it will be. I think
we'll know by Wednesday morning. This with more
confidence than my actual pick for the victory.
There are several factors that lead me to believe that Kerry will win
tomorrow.
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:54:25 -0500, Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I hear quite a few commercials for this website, and finally checked it
out.
Very interesting. Even though I oppose Bush, it is difficult to say just
how
accurate the information on this site really is. Anyway, decide for
Dan wrote:
On the other hand, Saudi Arabia does have extensive -- around $100
billion -- foreign assets, which provide a substantial fiscal cushion.
end quote
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2202781.stm
Saudi investors have threatened to withdraw some of the $750bn (£487bn;
766bn euros) they
MM wrote:
Hello everyone,
Please remember to set back your clocks one century on Tuesday night.
Oh come on Miron, were going to win, big time. 8^)
And by the way welcome to the list to all new members - Miron, Ruben,
Chad, Martin from the Culture list (apologies if I left anyone out) and of
http://russbaker.com/Guerrilla%20News%20Network%20-%20Bush.htm
or
http://tinyurl.com/6a6qq
Two years before 9/11, candidate Bush was already talking privately about
attacking Iraq, according to his former ghost writer.
Houston: Two years before the September 11 attacks, presidential candidate
Erik wrote:
And this is getting silly, so this is my last.
_Getting_ silly???
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:39:13 +1000, Russell Chapman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi fellow Brinellers
Can anyone who lives in the Bay area help me?
I am working out my schedule for the Christmas holidays, and many of my
friends have recommended I rent a bicycle and ride over the Golden Gate
and
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/saudi.html
Some excerpts from this very long piece:
A meeting of prominent Saudis occurs in a Paris hotel. Among the
attendees is the head of Saudi intelligence, Turki bin Faisal, and Khalid
bin Mahfouz. They meet with a representative of al Qaeda and
JDG wrote:
Again, the only inescapable conclusion from the above is that I, along
with the vast preponderenace of Bush voters, is a supporter of treason.
Or, as that poll suggests, deluded - not wanting to believe in things that
are becoming more and more obvious like the intimate relationship
http://tinyurl.com/62zsk
For the first time in the history of astronomy, scientists are about to
glimpse the mysterious surface of Titan, Saturn's haze-shrouded moon.
The spacecraft Cassini, flying in orbit around the planet since it first
entered Saturn's icy ring system last July, will speed
Dan wrote:
I find myself arguing someone I think is a bad president is simply a bad
president, not a traitor...so my stakes are more analytical than heart
felt. (I'm roughly assigning odds of 10^-6 that GWB is actually a
traitor).
So what, to you, are the repercussions if it is shown that Bush is
Dan wrote:
1) Crooks
2) Throwbacks
3) Idiots
I think I mistated 3. It should be Crazy.
I think you should add 4. Deluded. I know people that still think Nixon
was a good president.
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:56:47 -0400, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
directly funding the 9/11 terrorists?
Protecting the Saudi government from what?
The fact that members of the Saudi royal family and Saudi agents ergo the
Saudi government were directly involved in the planning and funding of the
Dan wrote:
As far as defining your viewpoint, no argument. But, I was trying to
parse
the clearest meaning of David's text. BTW, the scientist in me would like
to see a similar questionnaire with Kerry supporters to see if there is a
significant difference in knowledge. The questions would have
Dan wrote:
The world is full of possibilities Doug, but this is a long shot.
Political pressure comes from leverage. Who would we get involved in a
coalition to push on Saudi, and what would be the leverage.
A trillion dollars worth of investments in the U.S. alone, maybe?
It would certainly not
Gautam wrote:
There's another common thread, Doug, let me help _you_
find it. Not government agents. It's kind of a
significant difference.
Except Omar al-Bayoumi, a Saudi agent, who provided extensive assistance
to two of the hijackers whom he met after meeting one Fahad al-Thumairy,
later
Gautam wrote:
Which President has policies that serve the Saudis
again? Or is it possible, just possible, that maybe
certain policies can be products of honest
differences, instead of assuming that everyone who
disagrees with you must be an enemy of the US?
Another way to ask the question might
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:48:54 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As for the opposite side...I am on the side of the
United States of America. If you choose to be on the
opposite side from me, that's your choice. I can say
that at least I'm on the side that tolerates
John wrote:
It strikes me as a fair reading of Dr. Brin's comments to this List for
some time now - that Republicans are enemies of the United States, and
Republican policies are never the product of rational thought, but are
instead the product of this enmity.
He has repeatedly indicted the Bush
Gautam wrote:
I'm going to take these as one. The most important
figure in the 9/11 attacks (other than Bin Laden) was
Egyptian. I don't see you declaring that we attack
Egypt. Zacarias Moussoui is German. Why arne't you
calling for us to attack Germany? It is true that 15
of the 19 hijackers
Gautam wrote:
Then this does not do any of you credit. When Jerry
Falwell was spreading Vince Foster conspiracy theories
he was condemned by many leaders of the conservative
movement - including _both_ The National Review and
_The Weekly Standard_, the two most important
conservative magazines.
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