Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-17 Thread Doug Pensinger
JDG wrote: Thus, this Court ruling would appear to jeopardize NPS preservation of religious cultural resources in a number of Parks, included preserved churches in Great Smoky Mountains National Park and Cape Lookout National Seashore, as well as Native American ceremonial kivas at numerous Parks

Re: Speaking of Quantum.........

2004-06-17 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:08:29 +0900, G. D. Akin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug Wrote: Turning fifty in about 32 days? -- Ah, you're still a puppy :-) George A Woof (cough) woof. -- Doug ___

Re: The Founders on Separation of Church and State: Washington, Adams, Franklin

2004-06-17 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan wrote: I'm sure that one can deconstruct it to mean anything, but the word creator meant at the time being who created. I'm not really an origional intent guy, but I think using the same mapping of combination of letters onto ideas as they used at that time is really a good idea. In other

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-16 Thread Doug Pensinger
JDG wrote: You have stated that you believe the VFW is Constitutionall prohibited because it is, quote, exclusionary and offensive. I don't believe I ever said anything about the VFW except that their involvement in this argument is irrelevant. By allowing the religious symbol to remain

The Founders on Separation of Church and State: Jefferson

2004-06-16 Thread Doug Pensinger
To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut. Gentlemen The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist

The Founders on Separation of Church and State: Madison

2004-06-16 Thread Doug Pensinger
From a letter to Jasper Adams, president of the College of Charleston, 1832 I must admit moreover that it may not be easy, in every possible case, to trace the line of separation between the rights of religion and the Civil authority with such distinctness as to avoid collisions doubts on

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
JDG wrote: Come on John, you know that one of the reasons for the bill of rights, perhaps the preeminent reason, was to protect people that might otherwise be excluded by the majority. That's what separation of church and state is all about. But aren't you the first person to also mention that

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
William wrote: If this was the only similar case in the pipeline then fair enough. But with such an egregious violation that seems surprising. Again, if it was the only such case, fair enough. But otherwise why pick this one which can be eliminated on a technicality? Presumably any other similar

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
JDG wrote: At 09:36 PM 6/15/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: Because it is on U.S. Government property it isn't the VFW's speech that is in question. Because it is on U.S. government property is the U.S. Government's speech. The VFW doesn't figure at all in the decision, their involvement

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:17:32 -0400, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:09 AM 6/16/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: The VFW often burns flags John. :-) You caught me! Still, even if the VFW were unceremoniously burning flags in Mojave, I think that they'd probably have a lot more support on Brin-L

Re: WTF: Court Allows 'Under God' on Technicality

2004-06-14 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gary Nunn wrote: How lame can this be? The heart of the article.. Court Allows 'Under God' on Technicality For now, five justices said the court could not rule on the case because California atheist Michael Newdow does not have full custody of his daughter. They definitely whimped out. What

Re: Dirty Bomb Would Be a Dud

2004-06-14 Thread Doug Pensinger
John Horn wrote: I agree with that but it is a completely different issue. If someone was planning on blowing up the Lincoln Memorial with a pack of playing cards they would still be liable to be prosecuted with that even if it is completely impossible, right? I see your point, but would the

Re: Terrorism too close to home...

2004-06-14 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gary wrote: Of course this threat is no different that any other terrorist threat, it's just a little closer to home for me. I have always said that the best way to create true terror would be the random bombing or destruction of small town targets that have no strategic value. Aye, look at the

Re: WTF: Court Allows 'Under God' on Technicality

2004-06-14 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:59:14 -0400, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:46 PM 6/14/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: They definitely whimped out. What this means to me is that they were afraid to rule because of the impact their ruling would have, so they found a way to weasel out of making any

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-14 Thread Doug Pensinger
Julia wrote: And what, if anything, does the ACLU have to say about the white crosses at roadside spots where people were killed in automobile accidents? I know there would be a lot of angry people if they tried to have those banned. I think the gist of the decision is summarized in this quote

Re: Da Vinci Code (Spoilers)

2004-06-14 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:32:52 -0400, David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug Pensinger wrote: David Hobby wrote: S P O I L E R S P A C E Oh, that twist! As I recall, that was 100 pages from the end. (Yes, a fair-sized book.) I thought you meant the ironic big pile of historical documents

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-14 Thread Doug Pensinger
JDG wrote: I don't think you said that right. I am unaware of any Constitutional provision against exclusionary and offensive speech on federal lands. JDG - Something about defending your right to say it, Maru . Come on John, you know that one of the reasons for the bill of rights, perhaps

To Your Scattered Plotlines Go

2004-06-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
On the strength of the lists rating of P.J. Farmers Riverworld book _To Your Scattered Bodies Go_ I picked it up a long with the second two books of the series. My reaction after having read the first 3/4s or so: gawd, this won a Hugo? And was top rated by brin-l??? Beyond the meandering,

Da Vinci Code

2004-06-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
I finished this one a month or so ago and while some of it was interesting I thought the endless train of riddle solving got tiresome and that the twist near the end was poorly done. Has anyone else here read it? -- Doug ___

Re: Da Vinci Code (Spoilers)

2004-06-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
David Hobby wrote: S P O I L E R S P A C E Somewhere around half-way through it, I started yelling at the characters, saying something on the order of, Take the stupid puzzle box to an CAT scanner already! Getting out of so many tight squeezes was another thing that bothered me. The twist at

Re: To Your Scattered Plotlines Go

2004-06-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
Erik wrote: On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 12:01:04PM -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote: Beyond the meandering, pointless plot, the flat, uninteresting characters and the asinine dialog, the whole idea seems a bit dumb to me. I'm sorry if I'm trashing someone's favorite book, but it's just terrible so far

Re: Da Vinci Code (Minimal spoilers)

2004-06-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
Robert wrote: The book just before The DaVinci Code, Angels And Demons, is a much better book and a lot more fun. It had me wondering why people made such a big deal over TDC. Good to know. I bought that when I was enthused with TDC (in the beginning) but haven't started it because of my

Basketball

2004-06-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
I'm feeling so badly for the Lakers now that they're down 3-1 in the finals. Poor Kobe. Poor Shaq. Poor Phil. Poor L.A. -- Doug Go Pistons maru. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Moon Over Washington

2004-06-09 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:07:07 -0500, Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:14 PM 6/9/04, Julia Thompson wrote: William T Goodall wrote: On 10 Jun 2004, at 2:07 am, The Fool wrote: http://gadflyer.com/articles/?ArticleID=131 Rats! Not hang-gliding nudists then... That would be a

Re: Partisan Humor

2004-06-05 Thread Doug Pensinger
JDG wrote: I thought it was funnier when Republicans passed this joke around about Bill Clinton JDG - And that probably wasn't the first time, Maru P.S. Of course if Bush is such a calculating liar then he can't exactly be a bumbling fool, now can he? Get a grip, John, it's just a dumb joke.

Humor

2004-06-04 Thread Doug Pensinger
A man died and went to heaven. As he stood in front of St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him. He asked, What are all those clocks for? St. Peter answered, Those are Lie-Clocks. Everyone on Earth has a Lie-Clock. Every time you lie the hands on your clock will move.

Re: Southern-ness test

2004-06-04 Thread Doug Pensinger
David wrote: I got 38/71 on general knowledge, and guesses. (How many guesses? Wow, an actual real-life application of algebra! Solving (71-x) + (x/4) = 38, I get that around 44 were guesses.) 44/71 - Southern Sympathizer Ha. I lived in South Carolina for about a year while in the Navy, and

Re: brin-l-books stats

2004-05-31 Thread Doug Pensinger
David wrote: I never read this one, so I resisted the temptation to rate it useless. You were tempted to rate a book you haven't read? I did rate the C.S. Lewis books, _Perlandra_ etc, as useless. Mentioning other planets does not make an allegory into science fiction. (Similarly for _Animal

Re: All good things...

2004-05-28 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: Dear Friends, Today marks my last day at McKinsey, and virtually my last day in New York. Wow, Gautam, big news. Best of luck in all your endeavors... Hey, we haven't had any baseball talk yet this year. Have you been too busy to pay attention? It sure is shaping up to be an

Re: Friday (the cat)

2004-05-28 Thread Doug Pensinger
John Horn wrote: Friday, 1988 - 2004. RIP. My condolences to you and your family, John. I didn't realize how much my dog Lucky meant to me until she passed last fall. Now we're slowly loosing our 10 1/2 year old white boxer, Ali, to heart disease. 8^( -- Doug

Re: Bishop Sheridan Re: Unitarians not a religion

2004-05-26 Thread Doug Pensinger
The Fool wrote: All discussions involving JDG morph into an abortion discussion. It's as if he had an agenda... I have my adamant differences with John, but I have to say I'm kind of sick of these personal attacks. Not only don't they do anything to advance your argument, they're

Re: What America Does with its Hegemony

2004-05-23 Thread Doug Pensinger
JDG wrote: I'm continually amazed at our ability to talk past each other on this issue. Of course Bill Clinton would have fallen victim to using much of the same intelligence. That's because neither Administration was treating intelligence as a black box.They weren't saying I wonder if

Re: Bushworld

2004-05-22 Thread Doug Pensinger
JDG wrote: At 06:14 PM 5/19/2004 -0500 Robert Seeberger wrote: http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Apr/04272004/commenta/commenta.asp I can't believe that anyone found this diatribe coherent. That's because you're a resident in good standing in Bushworld!! 8^) -- Doug

THE GRAY ZONE

2004-05-22 Thread Doug Pensinger
This is the (long) Hersh article that has been making headlines this past week. http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040524fa_fact or http://tinyurl.com/3awqm In an odd way, Kenneth Roth, the executive director of Human Rights Watch, said, the sexual abuses at Abu Ghraib have become a

Re: THE GRAY ZONE

2004-05-22 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Sat, 22 May 2004 18:55:44 -0400, Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 11:45:11AM -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote: This is the (long) Hersh article that has been making headlines this past week. http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040524fa_fact or http://tinyurl.com

Re: What America Does with its Hegemony

2004-05-21 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: Since Bill Clinton himself has stated on many occasions that he agreed with the Bush Administration's interpretation of Iraqi threat, that's a remarkable statement of his omniscience there, Doug. Would Clinton have depended on stove piped intelligence from expatriate Iraqis with an

Interesting Perspective

2004-05-16 Thread Doug Pensinger
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0517/p09s01-coop.html or http://tinyurl.com/ypcov On Abu Ghraib and war itself: See through relativism of abuse By Earl Martin and Pat Hostetter Martin exerpt: Before the United States launched the optional war in Iraq, practitioners of nonviolence were advocating

Re: What America Does with its Hegemony

2004-05-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan wrote: So, let my put forth a hypothetical. Lets assume this was done by an administration that had shown a real sucess rebuilding Afganistan, and had a very good team ready to work in reconstructing Iraq, and had laid out the real costs to the American people and gotten buy in. Lets

Re: What America Does with its Hegemony

2004-05-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
Steve Sloan wrote: Doug Pensinger wrote: What did the U.S. have to gain by intervening in Rwanda? Diddly squat, but that doesn't mean dedicated critics of the US couldn't come up with something. Presumably, Rwanda had something useful enough for past European imperialists to colonize

Re: Neanderthal (was: More on the environmental movement)

2004-05-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
Debbi wrote: who admits to having a bit of a thing for vampires-struggling-to-overcome-their-bloodlust... ;} Too much Barnibus (sp?) as a youth? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: What America Does with its Hegemony

2004-05-10 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan wrote: OK, you put brackets on your opinion, which I appreciate. But, let me explore it further. Was our intervention in Bosnia acceptable? Should we have stopped the genocide in Rwanda? Our hands are full, but should somebody stop what's going on in Sudan? What about my position. If

Re: What America Does with its Hegemony

2004-05-10 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan wrote: But, if one supports Andrew's statement as it stands, it would be worthwhile to see how they consider the most obvious counter-examples. I don't agree with Andrew completely. For instance the pre-emptive strike by Israel in the Seven Day War was justified. It becomes more obvious

Re: The Lost Hearts and Minds

2004-05-08 Thread Doug Pensinger
Mike Lee wrote: But Gary has gone way over the line. I can't wait to see what y'all will say now. I don't expect much, so surprise me, prove you're not just a cozy coterie of moral dilettantes. I don't really give a rat's ass what the dick-hat thinks about Gary but in case other's

Bush administration fears more photos will surface

2004-05-08 Thread Doug Pensinger
This disaster is George W. Bush's responsibility and this scandal is a direct reflection of the incompetence of his administration and their tendency to ignore competent experts in favor of loyal cheerleaders when making policy. The only good that can come of this is that any chance that this

Re: March for Women's Lives

2004-05-06 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan wrote: I think that you may be making an error extrapolating from the specific to the general. Proper care of little humans requires significantly greater effort than proper care of little sock puppets. For example, you can roll a little sock puppet up and put it in the drawer for

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: I was criticizing a movement that has done immeasurable harm to the world's poor, and you kind of jumped in. Fine. But you (I notice) haven't actually agreed with me on what are - I believe - very baseline positions. Use DDT in countries where malaria is endemic. If not, why not?

The Worst Thing Nixon Ever Did

2004-05-06 Thread Doug Pensinger
http://www.techcentralstation.com/041504I.html Why did Nixon push for a [DDT] ban? We may never know. A few older Washington DC policy experts have suggested that some of his election campaign supporters were chemical companies that produced alternatives to DDT and so stood to gain handsomely

Rumsfeld Under Fire for Prison Scandal

2004-05-06 Thread Doug Pensinger
http://tinyurl.com/2o9cu State Department official described extreme frustration that months of pressure produced no real change. But Rumsfeld's aides point out that at least two major internal assessments were ordered at the time. In one, Maj. Gen. Geoffrey D. Miller, the commander of the

Re: What America Does with its Hegemony

2004-05-03 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: http://oxblog.blogspot.com/2004_05_02_oxblog_archive.html#108358591971936946 Ritu, Andrew, I'm sure the Iraqis would be _much_ better off if nothing like this ever happened there. I am willing to make a bet that no report of this, or anything like it, will show up in the supposedly

Re: Help Needed

2004-05-02 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Sat, 1 May 2004 23:28:06 -0500 (CDT), Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2 May 2004, Ritu wrote: Could somebody please direct me to the archives of the list on the net? My Outlook now cuts out the lines at the bottom... Ritu, who wants to hunt out Mike Lee's mail

Re: March for Women's Lives

2004-04-30 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan wrote: - Original Message - From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 2:58 PM Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives Can someone explain what exactly a sock puppet is anyway, for those of us not as net savvy? A sock

Re: Battlestar Galactica

2004-04-30 Thread Doug Pensinger
Ronn! wrote: Assuming you want to hold the ground. If for some reason you are simply interested in wiping out vermin (the alien race) who pose a threat to you, perhaps in the way that a nest of very nasty hornets in a tree right outside your back door would, you could simply sterilize the

Re: March for Women's Lives

2004-04-27 Thread Doug Pensinger
Julia wrote: I'd be willing to bet that they statistically match the working women's population--which is something like 62% employed... And the other 38% is working, just not for a paycheck. Julia Every Mother Is A Working Mother Maru Geeze, Julia, raising kids wouldnt be meaningfull work

The Bush White House

2004-04-27 Thread Doug Pensinger
(http://www.whitehouse.gov/holiday/2002/images/rotation-review/images/008_v2868-13-sa-697v.html) http://tinyurl.com/23mxa -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: This time I won't blame Bush

2004-04-27 Thread Doug Pensinger
David wrote: The problem is that there aren't enough jobs to go around, so some people wind up in dangerous jobs. Did they VOLUNTARILY choose those jobs? Technically, yes. But they didn't have enough other choices for it to really be a free choice. Of course what a snot nosed kid whose idea

Re: Mike Lee quotes

2004-04-27 Thread Doug Pensinger
David wrote: Mike-- I wouldn't want to offend you after all the care you have taken not to hurt anyone's feelings, but there's a rumor that you are an alter ego of an established list member. If so, would it be O.K. if I killfiled you? Your main persona could always post for you

Re: life decision

2004-04-27 Thread Doug Pensinger
Kevin wrote: I know I'll have to make this choice on my own. Just wondering what I might be missing. Since you're single, I'd say go with your heart on this one. It's a much tougher decision if you've got mouths to feed. As for the o-fer, maybe it's _because_ of the place and the mentality

Re: Collected thoughs on Iraq

2004-04-27 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan wrote: Given this, I would argue that public opinion is very volatile. It can easily swing against the US. The natural tendency is against the US, and it takes a tremendous amount of work to slow the slide in that direction. The longer we are in control, the more difficult it will

Re: March for Women's Lives

2004-04-27 Thread Doug Pensinger
Kneem wrote: You aren't very bright are you. Actually, I'm leaning toward the caricature theory after his most recent posts. I'm very curious as to who he really is. I thought Erik hinted that he and John Doe were the same person early on, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case. Whoever he

Re: Iraq and Vietnam

2004-04-25 Thread Doug Pensinger
Chad wrote: The current uprising is really a last stand, so to speak, for the insurgents. I hope you're right, but I'm afraid it's wshfull thinking. http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0416/040420_news_iraq.php http://tinyurl.com/2g496 -- Doug ___

Re: Scouted: Protecting Creation on Earth Day

2004-04-25 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: Since the environmental movement has done more harm to the poor of the world than any other such supposedly well-intentioned group, their dogma gets a very visceral reaction from me. When you get down to it, you've got a bunch of people who would rather millions of poor brown

Re: Iraq and Vietnam

2004-04-25 Thread Doug Pensinger
I wrote: Chad wrote: The current uprising is really a last stand, so to speak, for the insurgents. I hope you're right, but I'm afraid it's wshfull thinking. http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0416/040420_news_iraq.php http://tinyurl.com/2g496 Forgot to say that I stole this link from

Re: The Return Of The Cows

2004-04-18 Thread Doug Pensinger
Julia wrote: Less methane in the atmosphere? I don't know for sure. Angus-ing here. Jersey that, folks? He made a cow pun. :) Pretty cheesy don't ya think? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Bush wanted more specifics

2004-04-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: Your argument is that we should always act, under any circumstances, when there's probably not an imminent threat (from an organization far less powerful than any state) but that we should never, under any circumstances, ever, ever act before there's an imminent threat from a state

Bush wanted more specifics

2004-04-12 Thread Doug Pensinger
http://tinyurl.com/2gwad Bush told reporters with him in Texas that the Aug. 6, 2001, memo about Osama bin Laden's desire to attack the United States was no indication of a terrorist threat. There was not a time and place of an attack. Damned Al Qaeda forgot to send him a programme. -- Doug

Re: Bush wanted more specifics

2004-04-12 Thread Doug Pensinger
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Particularly when even Richard Clarke has admitted that there was probably nothing anyone could have done to prevent the 11 Sep 2001 attacks. I've heard that misquote one too many times. What he said was that the steps he suggested the Bush administration should take

Re: Bush wanted more specifics

2004-04-12 Thread Doug Pensinger
John wrote: That is exactly where the focus has been. Read some of the staff reports. Also, for the most part, the commissioners have been non partisan in assessing what went wrong. And make no mistake my friends, the US government at almost every level bears some responsibility for the events

Re: Bush wanted more specifics

2004-04-12 Thread Doug Pensinger
JDG wrote: I seem to recall Clarke being asked point-blank by the Commission (paraphrase) was there any chance that implementation of your recommendations would have prevented the 9/11 attacks? Clarke: None. GORTON: Now, since my yellow light is on, at this point my final question will be

Re: Bush wanted more specifics

2004-04-12 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: You feel this way about _eight years_ of continuous inaction by the Clinton Administration too, or is it only Republicans who get blamed for inaction? Doing nothing after the first WTC bombing...after an attempt to assassinate George Bush...after Kenya...after Tanzania...and

Re: There's no meme like chrome

2004-04-08 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 19:03:04 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody have a pair of ruby slippers? I do hope this list delay was not somehow induced. Anyone have a pair of ruby slippers? Somewhat worn and dull Rubber soles and plastic zippers Worn once, I've heard, by Jethro Tull Anyone seen a

Re: The color of truth (L3) (part 1)

2004-04-03 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: Well, Doug, you certainly have. The principal goal of all that Saudi money was what? It was to convince the American government to: 1. Make solving the Israeli/Palestinian problem the focus of American efforts in the Middle East Oh, yea, we've done them a great disservice on that

Re: Moon Coronated in Senate building by congressmen - Pictures

2004-04-03 Thread Doug Pensinger
Fool wrote: http://www.gorenfeld.net/blog//2004_03_01_barchive.html#1080666747965311 18 Using and doesn't work. Try parenthasis or brackets. (please) -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-03 Thread Doug Pensinger
William wrote: If they called it Ning-Nang Poopy Shorts It's Ning-Ning Poopy Shorts! Blasphemer!!! -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: The color of truth (L3) (part 1)

2004-04-03 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: No Doug, although I have no doubt that you'd love to put me and everyone else who disagrees with you into them. Supporting the liberation of Iraq - is that treason to you, or just sedition? The subject was civil discourse, and you suggested that I was compromising it because I

Re: The color of truth (L3) (part 1)

2004-03-31 Thread Doug Pensinger
Mike wrote: I've said it before here; I'm convinced that heightened airport security would have thwarted the attacks. Oh, for Christ's sake. I didn't even think you'd come up with something as lame as that. snip Trust me, if I wanted to blow up a plane, it would get blown up. If I wanted to

Re: 20/20 Hindsight

2004-03-31 Thread Doug Pensinger
Ronn! wrote: Washington, D.C. -- where the hindsight is 20/20 Bill Murchison March 30, 2004 Couldn't we just turn off The Dick Clarke Show for a little while and reflect that, contrary to widespread belief, there's a war on? Sorry, no. Many of us believe that the war is being mismanaged and

Re: The color of truth (L3) (part 1)

2004-03-31 Thread Doug Pensinger
Mike Lee wrote: And, really, all you head shaking, nice politically correct Americans who think that the KKK are Neanderthals and shouldn't be allowed to breed, but you give Muslims a pass (I guess because at least they're not Republicans) But wait, I thought they were Republicans. Or maybe

Re: The color of truth (L3) (part 1)

2004-03-30 Thread Doug Pensinger
Mike wrote: Really, Doug, all this Monday morning quarterbacking is going nowhere. Next you'll be complaining because Tom Clancy warned us about crashing a plane into the capitol building. Spin every little thing you can all day long, but everybody knows the truth: nobody took these jackasses

Re: The color of truth (L3) (part 1)

2004-03-30 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:38:48 -0500, John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 06:32 PM 3/30/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote: But the evidence points to the fact that Clinton/Gore took them _more_ seriously than Bush did. What evidence is this? http://tinyurl.com/38ecs http://tinyurl.com/36k6u

Re: The color of truth (L3) (part 1)

2004-03-30 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:12:03 -0600, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I don't think the chances would have been much less likely, but it seems that Bush downplaying AQ before 9-11 is fairly well established. I've said it before here; I'm convinced that heightened airport

Re: Do anything fun over the weekend?

2004-03-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:08:08 +1000, Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug Pensinger wrote: Also, my daughter had her wedding shower. I was thankfully excused. The wedding is 3 weeks away! Ahhh the joys. My daughter's shower is this coming weekend - my wife is going but I am taking

Re: The Passion of the Christ a hit in Beirut, Damascus

2004-03-28 Thread Doug Pensinger
Robert wrote: Elsewhere in the Arab world, Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat saw the film at his headquarters in Ramallah on the West Bank and pronounced it moving. Wonder if he's seen Gandhi. -- Doug -- Doug ___

Re: Imprint of Dinosaur Posterior

2004-03-28 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gary wrote: The Headline should have read: Dinosaur Ass Prints Found - Gary Or: Dinosaur moons scientists... -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

The color of truth (part 3)

2004-03-28 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:17:20 -0800, Mike Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug can't believe I'm serious: Imploding? Are you serious? There's some serious straw clutching in the above linked articles. Absolutely peanuts compared to the misinformation being spewed by BushCo. What color is the

The color of truth (L3) (part 1)

2004-03-28 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:17:20 -0800, Mike Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug can't believe I'm serious: Imploding? Are you serious? There's some serious straw clutching in the above linked articles. Absolutely peanuts compared to the misinformation being spewed by BushCo. What color is the

The color of truth (part 2)

2004-03-28 Thread Doug Pensinger
Mike Lee wrote: What color is the truth in your world? Then ther's this color: [http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVFb=39039] or http://tinyurl.com/3xvws 9/11: Internal Government Documents Show How the Bush Administration Reduced Counterterrorism March 22, 2004

The color of truth (part 4)

2004-03-28 Thread Doug Pensinger
Mike Lee wrote: Doug can't believe I'm serious: Imploding? Are you serious? There's some serious straw clutching in the above linked articles. Absolutely peanuts compared to the misinformation being spewed by BushCo. What color is the truth in your world? more colors I could go on and on

Clarke OKs Release of His Testimony, Documents

2004-03-28 Thread Doug Pensinger
[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30992-2004Mar28.html] or http://tinyurl.com/2kpvj I would welcome it being declassified, but not just a little line here or there. Let's declassify all six hours of my testimony, he said on NBC's Meet the Press. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist,

Re: Bush's brand new enemy is the truth

2004-03-28 Thread Doug Pensinger
Kevin wrote: 60 Minutes' Lesley Stahl just offered an apology for not stating the Clarke book was published by a CBS sister company. That was in all the articles about the interview at the CBS website - including those published before the interview. The important thing here is what Clarke is

Re: Bush's brand new enemy is the truth

2004-03-28 Thread Doug Pensinger
Kevin wrote: What was in the articles, the apology? The fact that the book was published by an affiliate of CBS. So Rice had no idea what/who Al Quedia was even though she gave a speech about them a year before? 'sfunny how a person can write a book and everything in it is Credible and the

Re: Do anything fun over the weekend?

2004-03-28 Thread Doug Pensinger
Matthew wrote: This weekend I watched my friend put his new two-seater ultralight into the air. While doing this we ate Oreo's and chocolate milk. Anneka walked for 8 consecutive steps! Then we ate hot dogs at the park. Video rolling? How long has she been walking? Coming out of class

Re: Bush's brand new enemy is the truth

2004-03-26 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:16:46 -0800, Mike Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clark seems to be imploding. I wouldn't start your happy dance just yet. I guess this is the year of the Flip Flop People in the Dhimmicratic Party. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,604598,00.html And, via

Bush's brand new enemy is the truth

2004-03-25 Thread Doug Pensinger
http://tinyurl.com/24ju7 Bush's brand new enemy is the truth Clarke's claims have shaken the White House to its foundations Sidney Blumenthal Thursday March 25, 2004 The Guardian exerpts: Clarke was not the only national security professional who spanned both the Clinton and Bush

x-Aide Recounts Terror Warnings

2004-03-25 Thread Doug Pensinger
http://tinyurl.com/3aecn x-Aide Recounts Terror Warnings Clarke Says Bush Didn't Consider Al Qaeda Threat a Priority Before 9/11 By Dan Eggen and Walter Pincus Washington Post Staff Writers Thursday, March 25, 2004; Page A01 Near the end of the article: In the summer of 2001, veteran

What Would Condi Rice's 911 Testimony Have Been?

2004-03-25 Thread Doug Pensinger
[http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/2004_archives/000533.html] or http://tinyurl.com/3anq A bit of speculation from Mr. Delong As we all know, Condi Rice has refused to appear before the September 11 Commission. But what if she had decided to appear? What would her opening

How to untangle the religious from the patriotic

2004-03-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
http://tinyurl.com/2snzn My parents arrived here from India in one of the waves of immigration that have brought millions of families to the United States during the past 300 years. These immigrant families want to be able to express their gratitude and loyalty to the country that has taken

Re: Contest: Help improve on ReptiliKlan, etc

2004-03-22 Thread Doug Pensinger
David wrote: Are you sure about ochlocracy? I get the sense that it means government by masses of people, which might not be the meaning of mob that you are looking for. m-w says government by the mob : mob rule... -- Doug ___

Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-22 Thread Doug Pensinger
Erik wrote: Now that I can answer. Higher interest rates would almost surely result in a recession in the current environment. That would mean lower employment. Thanks for an informative answer. One follow up. I was under the impression that all prices have an energy component so that any

The Smell of a Real Scandal

2004-03-21 Thread Doug Pensinger
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4571136/ The Smell of a Real Scandal The run-up to the Iraq war was more hype than lie. Medicare is a clearer example of dishonesty and corruption at high levels By Jonathan Alter Newsweek March 29 issue - The Democrats are over the top. Last week the Democratic

Re: The Smell of a Real Scandal

2004-03-21 Thread Doug Pensinger
John wrote: After all, it counts hamburger flippers as manufacturing jobs. Not yet, anyway. [http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/02/20/politics/main601336.shtml] or http://tinyurl.com/233wm The annual Economic Report of the President has already stirred controversy by suggesting the loss of

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