Re: Br?n on global warming (paper)

2010-02-21 Thread Keith Henson
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Keith Henson hkeithhen...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:00 PM,  Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro albm...@centroin.com.br wrote: Keith Henson wrote: I could go into detail including the economic models, but I don't know if there is anyone on

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-20 Thread Charlie Bell
On 20/02/2010, at 3:23 AM, Michael Harney wrote: Seriously? You put this much weight in a non-academic, purely speculative and, by my reasoning bullshit article. For crying out loud, the only cite in the whole article is from wikipedia. http://www.paulchefurka.ca/WEAP/WEAP.html

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-19 Thread Keith Henson
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org wrote: On 18/02/2010, at 11:29 AM, Keith Henson wrote: snip You'd be surprised. My maths isn't great (ie i'm not a natural mathematician), but my chemistry is fine... The US uses about 20 million bbs of oil per day.  

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-19 Thread Michael Harney
How we produce that energy needs to change too, but the levels of wastage in the US and Australia are verging on criminal. Cutting out waste isn't preaching a need to suffer. What scientists are saying is that if we carry on with business as usual then a lot of people will suffer.

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-19 Thread Charlie Bell
On 19/02/2010, at 3:16 PM, Keith Henson wrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org wrote: On 18/02/2010, at 11:29 AM, Keith Henson wrote: snip You'd be surprised. My maths isn't great (ie i'm not a natural mathematician), but my chemistry is

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-18 Thread Keith Henson
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org wrote: On 13/02/2010, at 7:05 AM, Keith Henson wrote: I could go into detail including the economic models, but I don't know if there is anyone on this list who can follow the physics, chemistry and math. You'd be

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-18 Thread Charlie Bell
On 18/02/2010, at 11:29 AM, Keith Henson wrote: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org wrote: On 13/02/2010, at 7:05 AM, Keith Henson wrote: I could go into detail including the economic models, but I don't know if there is anyone on this list who can

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-18 Thread Keith Henson
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro albm...@centroin.com.br wrote: Keith Henson wrote: I could go into detail including the economic models, but I don't know if there is anyone on this list who can follow the physics, chemistry and math. Probably not, we are

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-18 Thread Trent Shipley
Wayne Eddy wrote: Found what I thought was a terrific paper on carbon sequestration. It suggests that it should be possible to use nanotechnology to convert atmospheric carbon dioxide into diamond bricks by the 2030's. http://www.imm.org/Reports/rep043.pdf

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-18 Thread Trent Shipley
Keith Henson wrote: If we don't solve the energy problem as many as 6 out of 7 people will *die* in famines and resource wars. Keith ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com Where will they live? (I am a member of

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-18 Thread Trent Shipley
Charlie Bell wrote: On 18/02/2010, at 11:29 AM, Keith Henson wrote: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org wrote: On 13/02/2010, at 7:05 AM, Keith Henson wrote: Examples such as water tanks, solar hot water, decent insulation are

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-18 Thread Dave Land
On Feb 18, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Trent Shipley wrote: Keith Henson wrote: If we don't solve the energy problem as many as 6 out of 7 people will *die* in famines and resource wars. Where will they live? (I am a member of a tribe. Global civilization can go stuff itself.) I assume that you

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-18 Thread Wayne Eddy
Hey Trent. I hear what your saying. If you use all the energy you gained by burning carbon locking it back up again it is all a bit pointless isn't it. The article assumes an exponential increase in the use of solar energy over the next 20 years, which basically solves our biggest problem

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-18 Thread Charlie Bell
On 19/02/2010, at 9:17 AM, Trent Shipley wrote: For a little while longer I work for the local electric utility. We had a newsletter item that the Australian leadership had ruled out nuclear as an option and instead was making a bet on carbon sequestration from coal plants ... which

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-17 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
Keith Henson wrote: I could go into detail including the economic models, but I don't know if there is anyone on this list who can follow the physics, chemistry and math. Probably not, we are very stupid when it comes down to the math used in astrodynamics, chemistry or economy. Alberto

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-17 Thread William T Goodall
On 17 Feb 2010, at 23:21, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: Keith Henson wrote: I could go into detail including the economic models, but I don't know if there is anyone on this list who can follow the physics, chemistry and math. Probably not, we are very stupid when it comes

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-17 Thread Doug Pensinger
Alberto wrote: Probably not, we are very stupid when it comes down to the math used in astrodynamics, chemistry or economy. Alberto Monteiro Or very sarcastic. Doug ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-17 Thread Wayne Eddy
Found what I thought was a terrific paper on carbon sequestration. It suggests that it should be possible to use nanotechnology to convert atmospheric carbon dioxide into diamond bricks by the 2030's. http://www.imm.org/Reports/rep043.pdf ___

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-15 Thread Keith Henson
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Trent Shipley tship...@deru.com wrote: snip If you want to solve global warming it better not cost me my job, increase my electricity bill, make me pay more for transportation, sacrifice the quality or quantity of my transportation, or otherwise degrade my

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-15 Thread Charlie Bell
On 13/02/2010, at 7:05 AM, Keith Henson wrote: I could go into detail including the economic models, but I don't know if there is anyone on this list who can follow the physics, chemistry and math. You'd be surprised. My maths isn't great (ie i'm not a natural mathematician), but my

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-15 Thread John Williams
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org wrote: On 13/02/2010, at 7:05 AM, Keith Henson wrote: I think people are properly skeptical of the need to suffer that is preached by the global warming community. Um, exactly what is this global warming community that

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-14 Thread Wayne Eddy
Very few people that I know are skeptical that human activity is causing more carbon dioxide to enter the atmosphere or that this is contributing to a rise in global temperatures. I do think that a lot of people are legitimately skeptical that it is the existential threat that some people make it

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-11 Thread Trent Shipley
Michael Harney wrote: Trent wrote: I believe that climate change is true, but that America's response must preserve the American way of life or to hell with the planet. You're kidding right? If we go down we're taking the world with us? A little Bond-villain-esqe don't you think? Can't

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-11 Thread Trent Shipley
Michael Harney wrote: Trent wrote: Why not nuclear power? Less people have died in nuclear accidents than mining coal. Mining coal is more hazardous to your health than working in a modern nuclear power plant. It doesn't produce CO2. It doesn't produce environmental pollution other than

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-11 Thread Richard Baker
Trent said: The problem with nuclear power is that we can't get all the uranium we need from reliable countries. A lot of it comes from Russia, the Central Asian Republics, and less stable African states. Aren't the worlds most productive uranium mines in Canada and Australia? Those two

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-11 Thread Trent Shipley
As you said. http://www.euronuclear.org/info/encyclopedia/u/uranium-reserves.htm Uranium mining (reserves?) in tonnes Australia 725,000 t Brazil 157,400 t Canada 329,200 t * Kazakhstan 378,100 t South Africa 284,400 t Namibia 176,400 t * Niger 243,100 t * Russia 172,400 t Ukraine

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-10 Thread Trent Shipley
I believe that climate change is true, but that America's response must preserve the American way of life or to hell with the planet. So the solution has to be a magic technology fix. We cannot raise the cost of energy to solve climate change, especially not before the costs of climate change

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-10 Thread Nick Arnett
FYI, unless the word Brin in the subject is followed by a colon, he won't see it... so it's not really necessary to replace the i like that. On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Trent Shipley tship...@deru.com wrote: I believe that climate change is true, but that America's response must preserve

Re: Br?n on global warming

2010-02-10 Thread Michael Harney
Trent wrote: I believe that climate change is true, but that America's response must preserve the American way of life or to hell with the planet. You're kidding right? If we go down we're taking the world with us? A little Bond-villain-esqe don't you think? Can't compromises be reached?