Re: Brin: Purple America

2004-11-10 Thread Bryon Daly
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:49:10 -0800 (PST), Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since we've heard a lot about Red States and Blue States I thought posting a link to this graphic would be interesting. I'd been planning on making it myself, but luckily someone much better at computers beat me

Re: Brin: Purple America

2004-11-09 Thread Richard Baker
Gautam said: Hi Rich. It's an interesting argument - I think I've talked about it with you briefly. I just want to point out, though, that I think you've stacked the deck a little bit. Yes, you did talk to me about it briefly, and I appreciate your comments both then and now. I don't

Re: Brin: Purple America

2004-11-09 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 1:32 PM Subject: Re: Brin: Purple America This also is true. The important thing, though, is not the gap between the US and EU militaries

Re: Brin: Purple America

2004-11-07 Thread Richard Baker
Damon said: There are plenty of nations in Europe that have similar numbers to the UK in terms of troops and quality equipment, so the argument should be, rather, why does the UK commit itself to power-projection where the other major European states do not (the answer is simple for some,

Re: Brin: Purple America

2004-11-07 Thread Robert J. Chassell
Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, ... I think that Europe has effectively decided (with the exception of GB and Russia) to effectively not be military powers. Yes, I agree -- at least to the extent of saying that Europe has decided not to be able to project more than a little military

Re: Brin: Purple America

2004-11-07 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, I will advertise the second half of my article Enemies at the Gate, which describes the changing state of European power projection: http://www.theculture.org/rich/sharpblue/archives/31.html Rich Hi Rich. It's an interesting

Brin: Purple America

2004-11-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
Since we've heard a lot about Red States and Blue States I thought posting a link to this graphic would be interesting. I'd been planning on making it myself, but luckily someone much better at computers beat me to it. Robert Vanderbei created a map of the US shaded down to the county level and

Re: Brin: Purple America

2004-11-06 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:49:10 -0800 (PST), Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since we've heard a lot about Red States and Blue States I thought posting a link to this graphic would be interesting. I'd been planning on making it myself, but luckily someone much better at computers beat me to

Re: Brin: Purple America

2004-11-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:32 PM Subject: Re: Brin: Purple America On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:49:10 -0800 (PST), Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since we've heard

Re: Brin: Purple America

2004-11-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Realistically, Western Europe needed a leadership in commitment by the US match up well against Slovenia. Gautam or Damon can correct me, but I think that Europe has effectively decided (with the exception of GB and Russia) to effectively not be

Re: Brin: Purple America

2004-11-06 Thread Damon Agretto
You know that I also think there is more downside than upside in Iraq, and I do appreciate the 10k or so troops that the British have in Iraq, but from a military standpoint, we didn't get much help in Gulf War I or IIso that going it with just the British will have practically no effect. If

Re: Brin: Purple America

2004-11-06 Thread Damon Agretto
One other point, though. Damon mentioned two possible crises the US military might be stretched to face. Well that's fine, but I think you're fixating on a digression on my part, and not something I intended to go into detail to defend. I presented a couple of possible, likely conflicts, but

Re: Brin: Purple America

2004-11-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well that's fine, but I think you're fixating on a digression on my part, and not something I intended to go into detail to defend. I presented a couple of possible, likely conflicts, but my point is that at this juncture, the military would be