Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Deborah Harrell wrote
who has made difficult choices, when a life was in
the balance
That certainly hit me.
I find myself feeling a bit angry. Nothing like a
few triage decisions or
mistakes to make one realize that life throws us
decisions
JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wrote:
[Gautam wrote:]
Anyways, yes, getting them to intervene is
good, but their intervention has been illegal and
unapproved by the UN. You can be in favor of
intervention to stop genocide in Rwanda/Darfur
_or_
you can say that intervention on
Back on 11 May 2005, Warren Ockrassa repeated a question:
... why ... was Afghanistan not democratized and stabilized
entirely?
He said:
Assuming that:
1. The US is interested in spreading the
idea/blessing/gift/[whatever] of democracy to the other nations of
the world;
On May 15, 2005, at 9:09 PM, Dave Land wrote:
I didn't say that they *are* getting their instructions from Jesus,
only
that *they* believe so, and act as though they had that authority.
You may disagree. I suspect it is the case.
Bush seems to believe in some kind of phantasmal effect...
I love
JDG wrote:
At 11:27 PM 5/11/2005 +1000, Andrew Paul wrote:
Are you of the opinion that American Foreign Policy is always led by
selfless morality,
or are there times when they too stoop to the level of the scummy
French
or the sneaky, dirty
Germans, and do things where the self interest
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gautam, why is it that only other countries have
self-interested
agendas?
Is it possible that now and then, America does too?
I think it is, and
that's why I think it is worthwhile getting a second
opinion.
No, the
--- Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
No, the question is the exact opposite. Why is it
that you claim that it's _only_ America that acts
only
in its self-interest, and everyone else gets a
pass?
Point out where I said that. No one else gets a free
pass.
On 5/15/05, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 07:34 PM 5/12/2005 -0700,Nick Arnett wrote:
Again, Nick, after all, Saddam Hussein's regime was one of the 5
worst regimes on Earth.
Whose ranking?
I said one of the top 5, because I think that it would be difficult to
place Saddam
On May 16, 2005, at 9:20 AM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, that is your choice. I would not even be
arguing about this if I
did not feel strongly about freedom and democracy,
of which America is a
great champion.
Ah yes, the rote statement. You just think,
At 02:03 PM Monday 5/16/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Of course now it's beginning to look like even Afghanistan's a lost cause.
Messing with the Koran was a stupid, stupid move.
Does that mean that you believe that the assertions in the _Newsweek_ story
was accurate, even though they have
The Newsweek story is being Rathergated in the conservative controlled
media.
Even though the substance of the story was accurate and the source stands by
his statements the documentation cannot be verified so the conservatives
jump up and down and say 'see - no story the media just lies.'
At 03:26 PM 5/13/2005 -0700, Deborah wrote:
Anyways, yes, getting them to intervene is
good, but their intervention has been illegal and
unapproved by the UN. You can be in favor of
intervention to stop genocide in Rwanda/Darfur _or_
you can say that intervention on moral principles is
At 07:34 PM 5/12/2005 -0700,Nick Arnett wrote:
Again, Nick, after all, Saddam Hussein's regime was one of the 5
worst regimes on Earth.
Whose ranking?
I said one of the top 5, because I think that it would be difficult to
place Saddam Hussein's Iraq lower than 5 among the worst regimes on
At 03:43 PM 5/12/2005 -0700, Dave Land wrote:
Should any political party attempt to abolish social security,
unemployment
insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not
hear of
that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter
group,
of course,
On May 15, 2005, at 11:03 AM, JDG wrote:
At 03:43 PM 5/12/2005 -0700, Dave Land wrote:
Should any political party attempt to abolish social security,
unemployment
insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not
hear of
that party again in our political history. There is a tiny
At 10:43 PM 5/12/2005 -0500, Dan M. wrote:
Then again, you recently offered to compare economic growth
during the Great Depression to that of World War II.. so I'm not sure
what you are thinking here.
I'm thinking data are. We should fit theory to data, not pidgen hole data
into what we
Republican libertarian Ron Paul answered the question is Iraq better off on
the floor of Congress.
Whenever the administration is challenged regarding the success of the Iraq
war, or regarding the false information used to justify the war, the retort
is: Aren't the people of Iraq better off?
At 12:13 PM Friday 5/13/2005, Gary Denton wrote:
Republican libertarian Ron Paul answered the question is Iraq better off on
the floor of Congress.
Does it fit?
They Might Have To Remove Some Of The Representatives' Desks Maru
-- Ronn! :)
___
On May 13, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 12:13 PM Friday 5/13/2005, Gary Denton wrote:
Republican libertarian Ron Paul answered the question is Iraq better
off on
the floor of Congress.
Does it fit?
An Iraqi's place is in the house.
Dave
On Fri, 13 May 2005 12:13:35 -0500, Gary Denton wrote
we were not welcomed by cheering Iraqi crowds as we were
told;
Not quite. Wes (who was with the very first troops into Baghdad and later,
Tikrit) told me that in Baghdad they were greeted with cheers from small
groups... at first.
Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Deborah Harrell wrote:
snipping a lot that seemed unnecessary for
comprehension
Agreed, but if one is going to claim _moral_
justification in pursuing war, one had better
Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
some snippage for brevity
As... noted already, a 'moral imperative'
should be essentially unimpeachable, because it is
a softer reason than, say, the other guy has
missiles pointed at your capital.
Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Deborah Harrell wrote:
snippage
As others have pointed out, he _is_ calling for
action
WRT Darfur, which is laudable. From what I've
learned, it is not possible for the US alone to
intervene there militarily, as our forces are
On Fri, 13 May 2005 15:26:50 -0700 (PDT), Deborah Harrell wrote
who has made difficult choices, when a life was in the balance
That certainly hit me.
I find myself feeling a bit angry. Nothing like a few triage decisions or
mistakes to make one realize that life throws us decisions that are
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2005 15:26:50 -0700 (PDT), Deborah Harrell wrote
who has made difficult choices, when a life was in the balance
I have. Twice.
-k-
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At 09:24 PM Wednesday 5/11/2005, Robert Seeberger wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 12:07 PM Wednesday 5/11/2005, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2005 09:23:08 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
Ah, the _perfect_ leftist stance. I have no idea what
to do, but I know that you're wrong, so
On 12/05/2005, at 8:15 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
But, there were pro-Nazi terrorists for a couple of years. We had a
lot
tighter control there than in Iraq, so I don't think they could hide a
camp, but there were terrorists.
Any cites on this Dan (or anyone else)? This is not something I've
heard
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From: Ray Ludenia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons
On 12/05/2005, at 8:15 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
But, there were pro-Nazi terrorists for a couple of years
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To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: Is Iraq better off? (was Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons)
At 07:54 PM 5/11/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
I'm quite confident that you can
On 5/11/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons
On May 11, 2005, at 2:06 PM, Dan Minette wrote
On 5/12/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: Is Iraq better off? (was Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons)
At 07:54 PM 5/11/2005 -0700
- Original Message -
From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Is Iraq better off? (was Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons)
The interpretation of such a poll will be dependant on where it is
taken
- Original Message -
From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons
Well, there's the Phillipeans, Tawain, and South Korea, and Panama, to
name countries outside of Europe
Dan wrote:
For many long decades the US was willing to live with anti-communist
dictatorships. Yet, if you look at the Phillipeines, Taiwan, and South
Korea, they are, after Japan, the best examples of strong representative
government. If you want to argue that the US cut these dictatorships too
On 5/12/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons
snip
But, there were pro-Nazi terrorists for a couple
On May 12, 2005, at 9:01 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
We propped up, supported and paid a dictator in Panama. When he began
not
following orders Reagan ordered him removed.
Actually, Bush was in power...I mentioned it because the timing is
actually
important.
I thought the reference was to Roosevelt
On 5/12/05, Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On May 12, 2005, at 9:01 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
We propped up, supported and paid a dictator in Panama. When he began
not
following orders Reagan ordered him removed.
Actually, Bush was in power...I mentioned it because the timing
On May 12, 2005, at 9:01 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
What I've read indicates that the Greek democracies bore little
resemblance to our own. The patriarchs of the families got to vote,
not
the free males.
Missed that one. I don't believe that's wholly correct. There were
cases argued, for instance,
- Original Message -
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons
I think its arguable that many of the mentioned countries, the the
Philippians frex as well as many others
- Original Message -
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons
On May 12, 2005, at 9:01 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
We propped up, supported and paid a dictator in Panama
On Thu, 12 May 2005 09:42:47 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
The interpretation of such a poll will be dependant on where it is
taken, of course, but, at the very least, the changes in these
numbers over time should reflect changes in attitude. Would you and
Nick consider this at least some
On Thu, 12 May 2005 10:07:09 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
Right, and I have a very recent one in my hip pocket, so to speak.
I just wanted to see if folks would assign it a value before seeing
the results. :-)
I spoke too soon, apparently. Not the first time.
Here's the most hopeful figure
- Original Message -
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: Is Iraq better off? (was Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons)
On Thu, 12 May 2005 09:42:47 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
The interpretation
On May 12, 2005, at 10:07 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Actually, Bush was in power...I mentioned it because the timing is
actually
important.
I thought the reference was to Roosevelt and Panama:
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h932.html
Not to anything the US
BAGHDAD - The Iraqi people are suffering from a desperate lack of jobs,
housing, health care and electricity, according to a survey by Iraqi
authorities and the United Nations released on Thursday.
Planning Minister Barham Saleh, during a ceremony in Baghdad, blamed the
dire living
On May 12, 2005, at 11:26 AM, Gary Denton wrote:
BAGHDAD - The Iraqi people are suffering from a desperate lack of
jobs,
housing, health care and electricity, according to a survey by Iraqi
authorities and the United Nations released on Thursday.
Wow. So Iraq really IS like the US now! Woot!
On 5/12/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons
On May 12, 2005, at 9:01 AM, Dan Minette wrote
- Original Message -
From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons
I am not sure how your hypothesis is able to be proved false.
By showing that countries which were less
More seriously...
On May 12, 2005, at 11:26 AM, Gary Denton wrote:
If you compare this to the situation in the 1980s, you will see a
major
deterioration of the situation, said the newly-appointed minister,
pointing
out that 75 percent of households had clean water two decades ago.
On Thu, 12 May 2005 12:57:28 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
why would you suggest that attacks by some people
indicate that most people are worse off?
I didn't suggest that. I suggested that those people, as well as the hundreds
of thousands who demonstrated against our occupation on April 9th,
On Thu, 12 May 2005 13:26:19 -0500, Gary Denton wrote
If you compare this to the situation in the 1980s, you will see a
major deterioration of the situation, said the newly-appointed
minister, pointing out that 75 percent of households had clean water
two decades ago.
And to my
Dan wrote:
I think its arguable that many of the mentioned countries, the the
Philippians frex as well as many others (such as Iran) were able to move
away from their dictatorial governments _despite_ the U.S., not because
of its influence.
If this were true, then one should look at countries with
- Original Message -
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: Is Iraq better off? (was Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons)
On Thu, 12 May 2005 12:57:28 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
why would you suggest
- Original Message -
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons
Dan wrote:
I think its arguable that many of the mentioned countries, the the
Philippians frex as well
At 09:09 PM 5/11/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
Instead, I am just expressing my confidence that if you have even a modicum
of honesty you can come up with something that is measurably better
in Iraq today than it was under Saddam Hussein. After all, Saddam
Hussein's
regime was one of the
On Thu, 12 May 2005 21:55:07 -0400, JDG wrote
Well, let me help you out:
Thank you. I was asking *because* I was having a hard time with it. More
below.
-number of political prisoners
Definitely.
-number of people subjected to torture (yes, even *with* Abu Ghraib)
Indeed.
-number of
- Original Message -
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: Is Iraq better off? (was Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons)
Hmmm. I guess. I don't know what Saddam's track record was on that, nor
how
Dan M. wrote:
Right, and I have a very recent one in my hip pocket, so to speak.
I just wanted to see if folks would assign it a value before seeing
the results. :-)
I suspect as much when I read your original message and I have to
wonder, isn't withholding such evidence - indeed
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From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Is Iraq better off? (was Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons)
Dan M. wrote:
Right, and I have a very recent one in my hip pocket, so to speak.
I
On May 12, 2005, at 7:12 PM, JDG wrote:
I have to
wonder, isn't withholding such evidence - indeed withholding that you
have
a priori knowledge of this evidence - in those circumstances the
equivalent
of baiting?
Considering the source, this question's pretty damn funny.
--
Warren Ockrassa,
Dan wrote:
OK, but I was specificly referring to the leverage our government had
with other governments. We clearly have a strong cultural influence in
Arab
countrieseven one of the Palestinians celebrating 9-11 was wearing a
US sports tee shirt. Yet, that is an area where we have little
On Thu, 12 May 2005 22:01:20 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
Here's one example. Karbala and is buried there. For Shiites, his
tomb is the holiest site outside of Mecca and Medina, Among other
things, Hussein prohibited the pilgrimages to Karbala, on the
anniversary of Husayn's (the Prophet's
On 5/13/05, Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 12 May 2005 22:01:20 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
Here's one example. Karbala and is buried there. For Shiites, his
tomb is the holiest site outside of Mecca and Medina, Among other
things, Hussein prohibited the pilgrimages to Karbala,
At 07:36 PM Tuesday 5/10/2005, Dan Minette wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons
On Tue, 10 May 2005 14:26:32 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
At 11:19 PM Tuesday 5/10/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On May 10, 2005, at 7:33 PM, Dave Land wrote:
On the topic of the US being stretched out in Iraq, my 8-year-old son
was brought to tears last night by the list of items being requested by
soldiers through www.operationshoebox.com -- his school
At 09:33 PM Tuesday 5/10/2005, Dave Land wrote:
On May 10, 2005, at 7:05 PM, Andrew Paul wrote:
'As others have pointed out, he _is_ calling for action WRT Darfur, which
is laudable. From what I've learned, it is not possible for the US
alone to intervene there militarily, as our forces are
At 04:43 PM 5/10/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
And myriad possibilities in between, as well as assistance to NGOs, economic
intervention by businesses and much more. Reducing such issues to either-or
choices doesn't feed hungry people.
The choice is between taking direct action to help
JDG wrote
.
Yeah, but his argument didn't make any sense, because
it was just a wholesale abrogation of moral judgment
to other people - people who have an interest in
acting in an immoral fashion. All of the arguments
you and he make _completely ignore_ that fact. We
have many, many
On May 10, 2005, at 8:57 PM, JDG wrote:
At 04:43 PM 5/10/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
And myriad possibilities in between, as well as assistance to NGOs,
economic
intervention by businesses and much more. Reducing such issues to
either-or
choices doesn't feed hungry people.
The choice is
On Wed, 11 May 2005 04:47:48 -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote
How much was right about it before GW2? Is the average Iraqi
better off or worse off now than then? Or, for another measure, is
the number of Iraqi people who are better off without SH in charge
greater than the number who were
At 09:31 AM Wednesday 5/11/2005, Dave Land wrote:
On May 10, 2005, at 8:57 PM, JDG wrote:
At 04:43 PM 5/10/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
And myriad possibilities in between, as well as assistance to NGOs, economic
intervention by businesses and much more. Reducing such issues to either-or
On May 11, 2005, at 7:56 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 09:31 AM Wednesday 5/11/2005, Dave Land wrote:
On May 10, 2005, at 8:57 PM, JDG wrote:
At 04:43 PM 5/10/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
And myriad possibilities in between, as well as assistance to NGOs,
economic
intervention by businesses
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 10 May 2005 14:26:32 -0700 (PDT), Gautam
Mukunda wrote
Yeah, but his argument didn't make any sense,
because
it was just a wholesale abrogation of moral
judgment
to other people - people who have an interest in
acting in an immoral
--- Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gautam, why is it that only other countries have
self-interested
agendas?
Is it possible that now and then, America does too?
I think it is, and
that's why I think it is worthwhile getting a second
opinion.
No, the question is the exact opposite.
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have never presumed to propose any specific
action.
I merely questioned the certainty of my listmate's
assertion that
the choice is between presumably successful direct
action and
presumably unsuccessful indirect action.
Dave
Ah, the _perfect_
On 5/11/05, Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 11:19 PM Tuesday 5/10/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On May 10, 2005, at 7:33 PM, Dave Land wrote:
snip
Oh, history will tell -- big f*cking deal. How does the interpretation
of someone living 100 years form now matter to the pricks
On Wed, 11 May 2005 09:23:08 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
Ah, the _perfect_ leftist stance. I have no idea what
to do, but I know that you're wrong, so that makes me
better than you,
Are you sure that those who criticize your ideas only care about feeling
superior, not about other
At 12:07 PM Wednesday 5/11/2005, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2005 09:23:08 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
Ah, the _perfect_ leftist stance. I have no idea what
to do, but I know that you're wrong, so that makes me
better than you,
Are you sure that those who criticize your ideas only
- Original Message -
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:16 AM
Subject: RE: Br!n: Re: more neocons
Maybe you think removing Saddam isn't
worth the cost. But you can't say that opposing the
invasion
On May 11, 2005, at 2:47 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
How much was right about it before GW2? Is the average Iraqi better
off or worse off now than then? Or, for another measure, is the
number of Iraqi people who are better off without SH in charge greater
than the number who were better off
On May 11, 2005, at 7:56 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
Our leaders may have had noble intentions, but there's more to bringing
freedom and peace than knowing how to destroy.
Noble intentions are nullified by arrogance. Until we start seeing some
genuine humility -- starting from the top down -- we won't
On May 11, 2005, at 9:08 AM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
[to Nick]
Suggest something.
Why should he? After several paragraphs of nearly ceaseless ad hominem
attacks, why should ANYONE attempt to carry on a rational discussion
with you?
Gautam, there's a big difference between being passionate about
On May 11, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I just wonder what can be done to solve the plight of those millions
of human beings, and so far haven't heard much in the way of
suggestions on how to save them, or an argument that the status quo is
somehow the best of all possible
On 5/11/05, Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On May 11, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I just wonder what can be done to solve the plight of those millions
of human beings, and so far haven't heard much in the way of
suggestions on how to save them, or an argument that
-- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you sure that those who criticize your ideas
only care about feeling
superior, not about other people, the millions of
human beings caught in
oppression, violence and poverty? Do you feel
inferior?
Nick
Not really, no. Those who criticize?
On May 11, 2005, at 12:36 PM, Maru Dubshinki wrote:
On 5/11/05, Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So why, given the above, was Afghanistan not democratized and
stabilized entirely? With a good solid pro-US government there,
couldn't pressure have been mounted on other nations to force
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe you think removing Saddam isn't
worth the cost. But you can't say that opposing
the
invasion wasn't functionally a stand in favor of
Saddam remaining in power, _because it was_.
I think that overstates the case a bit. I'll agree
that
On May 11, 2005, at 1:06 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe you think removing Saddam isn't
worth the cost. But you can't say that opposing
the
invasion wasn't functionally a stand in favor of
Saddam remaining in power, _because it was_.
I think that
At 02:36 PM Wednesday 5/11/2005, Maru Dubshinki wrote:
On 5/11/05, Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On May 11, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I just wonder what can be done to solve the plight of those millions
of human beings, and so far haven't heard much in the way of
On May 11, 2005, at 1:50 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I'm not sure I saw an answer to my question in there . . .
Not from me; I was lobbing a tangent.
--
Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books
http://books.nightwares.com/
Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror
At 03:45 PM Wednesday 5/11/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On May 11, 2005, at 1:06 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe you think removing Saddam isn't
worth the cost. But you can't say that opposing
the
invasion wasn't functionally a stand in favor of
Saddam
Since you asked... ;)
On May 11, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I just wonder what can be done to solve the plight of those millions
of human beings
Nothing.
There is no way to save the world. There is no way to change human
nature. And what we define as a solution now might not
At 03:53 PM Wednesday 5/11/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On May 11, 2005, at 1:50 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I'm not sure I saw an answer to my question in there . . .
Not from me; I was lobbing a tangent.
Did its path make it an arctangent?
-- Ronn! :)
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Since you asked... ;)
On May 11, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I just wonder what can
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On May 11, 2005, at 1:50 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I'm not sure I saw an answer to my question
On May 11, 2005, at 2:06 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On May 11, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I just wonder what can be done to solve the plight of those millions
of human beings
Nothing.
[...]
But, it has worked a number of times, as well as not
On Wed, 11 May 2005 12:47:45 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
Not really, no. Those who criticize? No. People
who pontificate endlessly but suggest nothing, who
attack any idea but provide none of their own, who
preen constantly but contribute nothing - them, yes, I
think that about
On 5/11/05, Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2005 12:47:45 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
Not really, no. Those who criticize? No. People
who pontificate endlessly but suggest nothing, who
attack any idea but provide none of their own, who
preen constantly but
Stick of broom it is.
At 04:42 PM Wednesday 5/11/2005, Maru Dubshinki wrote:
On 5/11/05, Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2005 12:47:45 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
Not really, no. Those who criticize? No. People
who pontificate endlessly but suggest nothing, who
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Subject: Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons
On May 11, 2005, at 2:06 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On May 11
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