Re: The Format and Media consolidation of America [L3]

2003-06-02 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 12:49 AM Subject: Re: The Format and Media consolidation of America [L3] Jim Sharkey writes: Julia Thompson wrote: How much time do you spend reading articles? Julia who hates

Re: The Format and Media consolidation of America [L3]

2003-06-02 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 10:47 PM Subject: Re: The Format and Media consolidation of America [L3] Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 10:40 PM 5/31/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:

Re: The Format and Media consolidation of America [L3]

2003-06-02 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 11:10 PM Subject: Re: The Format and Media consolidation of America [L3] Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: who hates hearing about plonking on-list, actually

Europe goes to Mars

2003-06-02 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2947018.stm The race to find life on Mars is set to begin on Monday with the launch of Europe's first voyage to another planet. Three probes are leaving Earth this summer, starting with the European Space Agency's Mars Express mission. It carries the Beagle 2

Re: An aircar in every garage

2003-06-02 Thread Robert J. Chassell
Erik Reuter wrote: So, how far do you have to drive to fill up the tank with natural gas, compared to the nearest gasoline station? and Matt Grimaldi responded; Well they're not on every other corner like gasoline stations, but there's about 50 or so refueling stations in the

International Flotilla Heading Out

2003-06-02 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Jun/06012003/nation_w/62146.asp Since 1960, humans have lobbed roughly 34 unmanned spacecraft at Mars, in part lured by the prospect that the Red Planet may harbor extraterrestrial life. Life has yet to be found by the spacecraft, most of which died a robot's death

RE: one for Nick: networks, funding, agenda, Scaife

2003-06-02 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of The Fool Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 7:43 PM To: Brin-L Subject: one for Nick: networks, funding, agenda, Scaife Who's Behind the Attack on Liberal Professors? http://hnn.us/articles/1244.html

Historic Mars lander 'did find life'

2003-06-02 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2941826.stm Claims have re-emerged that the US space agency (Nasa) did find signs of life on Mars during the historic Viking landings of 1976. Dr Gil Levin, a former mission scientist, says he now has the evidence to prove it, just days before the US and Europe

Re: An aircar in every garage

2003-06-02 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 02:31 PM 6/1/2003 +, you wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: So, how far do you have to drive to fill up the tank with natural gas, compared to the nearest gasoline station? and Matt Grimaldi responded; Well they're not on every other corner like gasoline stations, but there's

Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread d.brin
At 09:33 PM 5/29/2003 -0700 d.brin wrote: He said the oversight was a lesson about unforeseen tools being used. No. The lesson is to let all passenger KEEP their pocket knives. thanks for showing this. db So, do you also agree that there was a recent lesson that teachers in school should

Re: Brin: Preface to _Earth_

2003-06-02 Thread d.brin
The ability of the Right to rationalize their rants, without ever stepping back to notice the FACT of their emotional triumphalism, almost exactly cloning that of Britain in 1910, amazes me. Fact: we were lied to about Iraqi WMD by people holding up briefcases full of evidence I can't show you

RE: Fasten, then zip or . . .

2003-06-02 Thread Jon Gabriel
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G. D. Akin Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 11:08 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Fasten, then zip or . . . I thought about titling this post I hate you . . ., but then I thought about the

Re: Fasten, then zip or . . .

2003-06-02 Thread Julia Thompson
Kevin Tarr wrote: What I'm wondering, I hear JMS complaining about the direction the new shows he tried to make were forced to go, too much sex* or other reasons. I know he can't finance 22 episodes of a series, but couldn't he have gotten enough backers that would let him do whatever he

Re: The Format and Media consolidation of America [L3]

2003-06-02 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 10:47 PM Subject: Re: The Format and Media consolidation of America [L3] Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 10:40 PM 5/31/03

Re: Taxes anyone (L3?)

2003-06-02 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 02:20:10AM -0400, Kevin Tarr wrote: already and I doubt you'd really stimulate the economy (more on this*). I *A lot of people engage in feel good economics and ignore reality. Of course it would be an instant good if the poor or middle class or parents had more

Re: Fasten, then zip or . . .

2003-06-02 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 11:42 AM 6/1/2003 -0500, you wrote: Kevin Tarr wrote: What I'm wondering, I hear JMS complaining about the direction the new shows he tried to make were forced to go, too much sex* or other reasons. I know he can't finance 22 episodes of a series, but couldn't he have gotten enough backers

Re: Fasten, then zip or . . .

2003-06-02 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 11:42:20AM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Brokers prefer to work with bigger blocks. I've seen little evidence of this in the past 5 years. What do brokers care about whether you buy 1 share or 100 or 1000? They've got their commission schedules set up to make money either

Re: Fasten, then zip or . . .

2003-06-02 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 01:00:08PM -0400, Kevin Tarr wrote: Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong term. Would a bond be a more reasonable vehicle? No, bonds pay fixed interest. If you want to participate in the upside of the business, you need equity (or a convertible bond, which is essentially

Re: Taxes anyone (L3?)

2003-06-02 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 02:20 AM 6/1/03 -0400, Kevin Tarr wrote: Now a tangent. Along the same lines, I don't like people saying 'it takes two incomes to do X'. How about the argument that it takes two incomes because one of the couple's member's earnings is essentially going to pay taxes, i.e., when you add up

Re: Europe goes to Mars

2003-06-02 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
All of it? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread Jan Coffey
--- d.brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a big difference between pen knives - which can be overcome by a roused majority if brandished by an idiot... and guns which allow an idiot to cow a majority. Ture: ...however, the other side is Without firearms people still kill. Without

Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread Han Tacoma
I agree with Jan. I had tried to convey similar thoughts in http://www.mccmedia.com/pipermail/brin-l/Week-of-Mon-20030526/021080.html He says, Without firearms the violent power is in the hands of those with superior size and/or years of training., and I would like to temper that statement.

Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 1 Jun 2003 at 12:00, Jan Coffey wrote: Since the UK has banned firearms violent crime (especially those involving a perps with firearms) has gone up. Since Texas Nevada have relaxed their concealed carry laws violent crime (especially those involving a perp with a gun) have gone down.

Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 1 Jun 2003 at 16:29, Han Tacoma wrote: My Sifu (I trained in Kung-Fu -- let's not get into the multiple spellings...) gave us a hierarchy of actions when faced with by a situation (this over 40 years old.) 1. Run whenever possible. 2. Interesting. How I was taught- When conflict is

Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread Han Tacoma
Andrew Crystall (Sun, 01 Jun 2003 21:53:01 +0100) writes: On 1 Jun 2003 at 16:29, Han Tacoma wrote: My Sifu (I trained in Kung-Fu -- let's not get into the multiple spellings...) gave us a hierarchy of actions when faced with by a situation (this over 40 years old.) 1. Run whenever

Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 1 Jun 2003 at 17:09, Han Tacoma wrote: Andrew Crystall (Sun, 01 Jun 2003 21:53:01 +0100) writes: On 1 Jun 2003 at 16:29, Han Tacoma wrote: My Sifu (I trained in Kung-Fu -- let's not get into the multiple spellings...) gave us a hierarchy of actions when faced with by a situation

Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone facing me pulls out a knife, unless they're trained with it, it's more dangerous to them than to me. A gun is a different story - any idiot can be dangerous with a gun. That isn't the same for all. A 100 pound woman when confronted by

Re: Br!n: Br!n 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 1 Jun 2003 at 14:40, Jan Coffey wrote: --- Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone facing me pulls out a knife, unless they're trained with it, it's more dangerous to them than to me. A gun is a different story - any idiot can be dangerous with a gun. That isn't the same

Re: An aircar in every garage

2003-06-02 Thread Matt Grimaldi
Kevin Tarr wrote: At 02:31 PM 6/1/2003 +, you wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: So, how far do you have to drive to fill up the tank with natural gas, compared to the nearest gasoline station? and Matt Grimaldi responded; Well they're not on every other corner like

A PNAC Primer [L3]

2003-06-02 Thread The Fool
http://www.counterpunch.org/weiner05282003.html A PNAC Primer How We Got Into This Mess By BERNARD WEINER Recently, I was the guest on a radio talk-show hosted by a thoroughly decent far-right Republician. I got verbally battered, but returned fire and, I think, held my own. Toward the end of

Re: A PNAC Primer [L3]

2003-06-02 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 07:06 PM 6/1/03 -0500, The Fool wrote: http://www.counterpunch.org/weiner05282003.html A PNAC Primer How We Got Into This Mess By BERNARD WEINER [snip] So, a large part of our job in the run-up to 2004 is to get this information out to those able to hear it and understand the implications of

Re: A PNAC Primer [L3]

2003-06-02 Thread The Fool
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 07:06 PM 6/1/03 -0500, The Fool wrote: http://www.counterpunch.org/weiner05282003.html A PNAC Primer How We Got Into This Mess By BERNARD WEINER [snip] So, a large part of our job in the run-up to 2004 is to get this information out to those able

Re: A PNAC Primer [L3]

2003-06-02 Thread The Fool
From: Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: Instead, we need leaders with big ideas who are capable of creative thinking. We need peace and justice in the Middle East (to help alter the chemistry of the soil in which terrorism grows), we need jobs and economic growth at home,

Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: d.brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again Sorry guys. This is unadulterated BS. I swear, we'll all be doomed if you smart guys don't

Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 08:58 PM 6/1/03 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: d.brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again [snip] All other types - including Assault

Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 1 Jun 2003 at 20:58, Robert Seeberger wrote: I think this typifies the murder problem in the south. Violence is normally commited by the ignorant and those with loose control of their emotions. So what training with guns would you consider sufficient? My argument would be that a

RE: H.I.P.A.A.

2003-06-02 Thread Horn, John
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not sure what John has in mind for future benefits, but one of the impacts the legislation has had to date is on healthcare portability. If you move from one employer to another you can no longer be denied care or have

RE: H.I.P.A.A.

2003-06-02 Thread Horn, John
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Let me way in from the provider side of this debate. HIPA is going to make the practice of medicine much more difficult and more expensive. All of those forms patients are being required to sign are forced on all of us by the government.

Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 9:57 PM Subject: Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again On 1 Jun 2003 at 20:58, Robert Seeberger wrote: I think this typifies the murder

Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 09:13 PM 6/1/2003 -0500, you wrote: At 08:58 PM 6/1/03 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: d.brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again [snip]

Re: Fasten, then zip or . . .

2003-06-02 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 11:42:20AM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Brokers prefer to work with bigger blocks. I've seen little evidence of this in the past 5 years. What do brokers care about whether you buy 1 share or 100 or 1000? They've got their commission

Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 11:04 PM 6/1/2003 -0500, you wrote: - Original Message - From: Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 9:57 PM Subject: Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again On 1 Jun 2003 at 20:58, Robert Seeberger wrote:

Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread d.brin
Naturally, I was in rant mode and I am glad you all took it with a grain - or several - of gunpowder. Still, some of you have read my essay on gun control. It's the 21st century and time to stop hewing to inane left-right positions. I want win-win scenarios. Home rifles may have a role in

Re: Taxes anyone (L3?)

2003-06-02 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 02:20 AM 6/1/03 -0400, Kevin Tarr wrote: And the problem is now that everyone thinks needs, when they mean wants. They need cable TV, a cell phone, two or more cars, a maid, a nanny, a day care center. How about a single parent who needs the latter in

Re: A PNAC Primer [L3]

2003-06-02 Thread Jan Coffey
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.counterpunch.org/weiner05282003.html A PNAC Primer How We Got Into This Mess By BERNARD WEINER ... The talk-show host seemed to gulp, and then replied: If you really can demonstrate all that, you probably can deny George Bush a second term

Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: d.brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again [snip] I think this typifies the murder

Use of cameras

2003-06-02 Thread Russell Chapman
We have often discussed the use of cameras for law enforcement on the list over the years, but I have some new questions. I recently read that some US states DC in particular are still toying with photo radars, which we call speed cameras, and that red light cameras (which we funnily enough

RE: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jan Coffey ... Everyone here is imaginative enough to write fiction I assume. So Imagine a situation where someone brakes into your home and quietly sneaks into your room while you are asleep. Then you

Re: A PNAC Primer [L3]

2003-06-02 Thread Doug Pensinger
Jan Coffey wrote: The US is the top dog, we need to stay the top dog because no one else is willing to stand up for human rights, democracy, social freedom, religious freedom, etc. The present administration has eroded these rights and freedoms to a greater extent than any administration in my

Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread Doug Pensinger
Nick Arnett wrote: be blowing your own head off. He is bigger and stronger than you and so he takes the gun from you and pummels you to death with it. If only you had a loaded handgun within arms reach... Back to reality, what do you do? Don't think it can't happen to you, it's happened to me

Guns was: RE: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread Jan Coffey
I'm sitting on this one I guess, but up and on another list so... --- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- [Snip] Back to reality, what do you do? Don't think it can't happen to you, it's happened to me twice. I'd hate to be the firefighter who comes into

Re: A PNAC Primer [L3]

2003-06-02 Thread The Fool
From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The Fool wrote: http://www.counterpunch.org/weiner05282003.html A PNAC Primer How We Got Into This Mess By BERNARD WEINER The US is the top dog, we need to stay the top dog because no one else is willing to stand up for human rights,

Re: Brjn: Brjn 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread Kevin Tarr
What about those who are right handed but left eyed? (like myself)It is very hard to accurately shoot a rifle that must be rested on the shoulder. My aim with that sort of rifle is very very bad. My aim and skill with a handgun is superb. Jan Not for nothing, but a friend of mine shoots his

Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 11:05:20PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: Back to reality, what do you do? Don't think it can't happen to you, it's happened to me twice. For those of us who thought it couldn't happen to us, could you describe in more detail the two times that it has happened to you? (each

Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 1 Jun 2003 at 23:05, Jan Coffey wrote: What about those who are right handed but left eyed? (like myself)It is very hard to accurately shoot a rifle that must be rested on the shoulder. My aim with that sort of rifle is very very bad. My aim and skill with a handgun is superb. Me. I have

Re: Bran: Bran 7/11 statement shown accurate again

2003-06-02 Thread Medievalbk
Oh I have to strongly disagree. Most breakfast cereals sold at convenience markets are high sugar content because it's very inconvenient when the kids start complaining. Bran flakes just don't sell that well. William Taylor --- When our good Dr. says that he does not have the

media consolidation

2003-06-02 Thread The Fool
http://www.sarahstirland.com/archives/mediacon.htm It's a picture. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l