BTW, where was he born? The Constitution requires
the POTUS to be a
_native-born_ US citizen. I've never heard this
issue addressed, though . . .
-- Ronn in Birmingham, AL :)
New York, if I recall _My American Journey_ correctly.
Gautam
--- Ticia Luengo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am I reading this right? This guy works up to 80 hr
a week and *still* has
time to read a ton of books, watch games and movies,
worry about being
single in NY, and write such long and elaborate
emails from the office at
9.30 pm???
5 figures a month would mean a minimum of $120K a
year, right? I thought
that was not all that unusual at McKinsey. Now that
I know that, I guess
I should have more sympathy for McKinsey employees
:-)
Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, I am the lowest of the low here...
Gautam
Erik Rueter wrote:
5 figures a month would mean a minimum of $120K a
year, right? I thought
that was not all that unusual at McKinsey. Now that
I know that, I guess
I should have more sympathy for McKinsey employees
:-)
Ye gods, but that is an obscene amount of money.
Brings up a
--- J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
At 21:01 21-11-2002 -0500, John Giorgis wrote:
It's 2:47am, Eastern Standard Time. I'm still at the
office, with no guesses as to when I'm getting out.
For God's sake, will the two of you both shut up?
Don't you have _anything_ better to do?
It's not that those thing you listed aren't true,
they are. They could
still flare up, but the cold war is over. Did you
know that before the
british came to india, there was a religious group
in india called
'thugs'. the Thugs systematically killed more than
an order of magnitude
more
Would you accept that places like Yale, Princeton
and Harvard are OK
schools? Or do they all pale compared to old schools
like Oxford?
Dan M.
If they do, you'd have to be prety convincing, because
I decided not to go to Oxford for graduate study
because American universities universally
Huh? There are plenty of conservative academic
institutions. Hoover
Institute at Stanford, to name a prominent example.
Nick
Actually, there are only a handful. In most surveys,
well under 10% of academics report as registered
Republicans. Among the Harvard government department
the
Of course, as a conservative, my odds of actually
getting an academic job are essentially zero, but
that's the way these things work nowadays...
Gautam
You're just in the wrong field . . .
-- Ronn! :)
True - in economics or the hard sciences I'd be fine.
Well, probably. It's not
http://homepage.mac.com/msparby/iMovieTheater5.html
*blink*
*twitch*
Make it stop
Adam C. Lipscomb
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just clicked on this and it told me that the page
could not be found. What's up?
Gautam
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Do you
http://denbeste.nu/external/Kagan01.html
A really, really fascinating article from _Policy
Review_. I think people will find it interesting. I
agree with Kagan almost entirely, save that I think he
underestimates the extent to which long-term
demographic and economic trends will exacerbate the
--- Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's the city I live in. I spend my days
surrounded by some of the most
incredible examples of human creativity, ingenuity
and inspiration on the
planet. Crime? Pollution? Traffic? Worth it.
And less of a problem
than you might think.
Iraq's new scud missiles, which they probably have
quite a few of by
now can hit LONDON.
Andy
Dawn Falcon
Cite, please? I'm unaware of any such thing, and I'm
pretty confident I would have heard of it. Iraq has
very few Scuds left, and probably fewer functioning
ones. Those that they
--- Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
\ What is the evidence of this? Iraqi army was
thought
invincible in 1991,
but what we saw was that an amry whose training is
beating civilians
prefers to flee than to fight when confronting an
armed opponent.
Alberto Monteiro
Definitely not
From what I read, given the present state of the
sanctions, if we try to
apply containment to Iraq, they may have a A-bomb or
two with a medium
range delivery capacity in 5 years. If we apply the
same principals to N.
Korea, they may have 50 with some delverable by true
ICBMs to the US
--- Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin T.
*Just saying that while there have been protestors
for 200 years, Ford and
Reagan being targets of assassinations may have
raised the secret services
hackles too much. Didn't some president within
living memory walk the
inauguration
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How is this measured? Seems to me that potential
assassins in this country
are more motivated by the idea killing the president
than by any political
beliefs. Crazy people usually aren't able to hold
rational political ideas.
Nick
Al Q'aeda is
Just wanted to toss some ideas out - sadly, I no
longer have time to think seriously any more. So I'm
not (planning on) making a coherent argument, just a
series of observations.
First, has anyone thought about how astonishing this
is? For the last decade, American defense strategy
has been
Then, perhaps hoping that it could avoid a
confrontation that would
distract from its campaign against Iraq, Mr. Bush
never described to
North Korea what might happen if it crosses the
nuclear red lines.
Though he has often said he will never allow the
world's worst
dictators to
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Except for the fact that bush really is 'dumberer'
than wheat:
http://www.bushcalendar.com/
I never 'misunderestimated' bush.
If so then, given the fact that he has consistently
outmanuevered his opponents in contest after contest,
time after time -
We weren't - we were out-smarted by Karl, not
George.
-j-
Go ahead and believe that if you want to. The fact
that you guys won't admit just how remarkable this
President is may be the single most valuable weapon in
his arsenal.
Gautam
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Card's not right about everything (he overstates the
importance of the China situation, imo, and
understates the extent to which the Administration
seems to have been purposely putting the North Koreans
into a corner to force them to give up their nuclear
weapons program), but it's a pretty good
--- Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's an Area 54? :)
I *knew* Studio 54 was filled with Aliens! :)
Jon
GSV *Ducking*!
I hyper-extended my back at Studio 54 last Sunday
swinging under a railing. The worst part was spending
the rest of the evening next to my date with a fixed
--- Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ouch. Ouch. Ouch! Hope you're feeling better. :(
Well, better than I was. I still can't bend over
properly, but at least I can walk around without pain
at the moment, which is definitely progress. I
haven't been able to lift weights in more than a
--- Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's the point of being a guy if you're going to
listen to your better judgement? Indulging in
unecessary dumbness is one of the great priveleges
of bearing the Y chromosome. :-)
Jim
Very true, but I don't think I impressed her that
much, so
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/01/10/denmark.environment.ap/
In his 2001 book, The Skeptical Environmentalist,
Danish statistician Bjoern Lomborg said concerns
about
melting ice caps, deforestation, acid rain were
exaggerated. He claimed
http://www.msnbc.com/news/864430.asp
An excellent article. Zakaria needs no introduction,
but I'll give a short one anyways. He's currently the
editor of Newsweek International and formerly the
editor of Foreign Affairs. He got his PhD at Harvard
studying under Stanley Hoffmann and Sam
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Who could disagree with most of what he is saying?
But why not keep
working with our allies and the U.N. and keep the
pressure on Hussain
while continuing to support internal dissent.
Actively seeking a
peaceful solution has the potential
--- Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of those allies, however, is sending 30,000
troops, several hundred
tanks and APCs, an aircraft carrier, a helicopter
carrier, a few
landing support ships, a task force of other
warships, several
squadrons of fighters and bombers...
Rich,
--- Matt Grimaldi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe they're put off by such attitudes among U.S.
officials, not that anyone around Washington seems
to be
able to consider that there's probably a better way
to
go about this than good cop, bad cop.
Instead, the answer to reluctant
--- Jean-Louis Couturier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Since when is Jean Chrétien President of France?
Why do you expect the world to think better of
America
than America thinks of the world?
Do you really believe that America is selfless and
no
one else is?
Jean-Louis Couturier
Jacques
--- Jean-Louis Couturier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Since when is Jean Chrétien President of France?
Why do you expect the world to think better of
America
than America thinks of the world?
Do you really believe that America is selfless and
no
one else is?
Jean-Louis Couturier
Jacques
Printed today in the Times of London:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110002994
From _eight_ European heads of government.
This is why, on a larger note, I'm not particularly
worried about the Atlantic relationship as it's
often called. The American relationship with _most_
of Europe
--- Jean-Louis Couturier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
At 14:06 2003-01-29 -0800, Gautam wrote:
No. I think that arguing that France and Germany
are
selfless is, almost by definition, ridiculous -
when
have they _ever_ acted in such a way? If you say
that
about the US, it's at least
--- Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for posting this Marvin.
The American problem with the French is even older
than that, though. I
vaguely recall that they prevented us from flying
through their airspace (or
was it using their airfields?) when we were bombing
Quaddafi and
--- Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't believe they feel it necessary to announce
This is not a terrorist attack. Does the media
just want to sell us a bill of fear, or have
Americans gone so far off the paranoia deep end that
they need to be reassured of this at all times?
Jim
--- Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does this mean, then, that terrorism works? If
we're afraid every day that every accident is
terrorism, it certainly suggests to this layman that
despite our assertions to the contrary, terrorism is
a viable strategy for our enemies.
Jim
Only if
--- Jean-Louis Couturier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'm not saying you're not generous. I'm saying
you're not alone.
As I recall, you said something along the lines of
generosity from the US was very rare since the end of
the Cold War. One reason that we thought you were
saying that is that I
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My father-in-law is a well known rural sociologist
at Wisconsin , and my
wife has degrees in social work and sociology. So I
understand sociology
and appreciate that it has worth. But your scenario
reminds me of the
optimistic studies that proved
--- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
CNN sources said Brown, who was promoted as the
network's lead anchor when
he was hired away from ABC two years ago, told the
network he wasn't
available to come to work. The decision infuriated
some executives as well
as some on his staff,
--- J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
At 14:25 4-2-2003 -0600, Marvin Long wrote:
I think it is about time that people like you
and Gautam make up their
minds about this. On one hand they complain
about the military of other
(especially European) countries lacking the
--- J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
And where exactly is all that money supposed to come
from?
Let's take The Netherlands as an example. Income
taxes are high already (up
to 51%). Raising taxes really isn't an option, and
even if they were raised
it would have a limited
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And Japan spends more than the UK?? Weird.
Japan is:
1. A _lot_ wealthier than the UK and
2. Has much more imminent security threats (North
Korea and China, and don't think they don't think
about both :-)
Gautam
--- Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let's not forget that the EU itself is a triumph of
the collective
foreign policies of the European nations. Of course,
the US was vital
militarily because it helped protect Europe from the
might of the
Soviet Union, but it's almost entirely as a
--- Marvin Long, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
The US has consistently (and
mistakenly, in my opinion) encouraged the creation
and
expansion of the European Union.
Why mistakenly?
Marvin Long
Several reasons. First, I think the European
--- Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
So a unified EU army is at current
somewhat utopical.
Well, first, sure, but individual countries could
create one. You gave a bunch of reasons why not.
They're all fine, but that's still a choice. If a
country's internal politics
--- Marvin Long, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
6. A unipolar West, in which each European nation's
relationship with and
deference to the US is regarded as more important
than its relationships
with its neighbors, is good. Each nation would have
just enough of a
military to assist the
--- Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please, please, please let's not get into this
discussion. There have been untold hundreds of
books
written on the topic. You are the first person I've
ever read to stake out the tripod position, though
:-)
The main schools as to which is most
OK, having made the case for going into Iraq, I'm
going to do something fairly bizarre and explain why I
didn't make up my mind about it until recently, and
why I'm still not necessarily enthusiastic. First,
let me suggest that everyone read
--- J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
All of Europe could certainly spend more on the
military.
But again, where is that money supposed to come
from? Raising taxes? A
Marshall Plan for Europe's military?
How about cuts in non-defense spending? That is an
option, after all. God
--- J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
It's 2003 now and he is still in power, so obviously
he wasn't stopped.
What happened was that the international community
joined forces to chase
him out of Kuwait.
Who did most of the fighting? I'll give you a hint -
both countries involved
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe, but how? During 1999 and 2000 as the Fed
raised interest rates
(and after Greenspan's famous irrational
exuberance comment), the
market continued to increase at a dramatic rate.
What more could have
been done to combat the madness of crowds?
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The closest the US/UK have come to achieving the
former is Bush mumbling
a
rehashed version of manifest destiny suggesting
it's America's turn to
take up the 21st century version of the White
Man's Burden.
Why mock his view like that? The US
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unless you
know of something the US can do that would be
_better_
for the people of Iraq than toppling Saddam
Hussein,
maybe you should be a little bit more sympathetic
to
the President.
Huh? My position is that I lean against invading
--- Marvin Long, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't, really. But several reports out of Iraq
that I've seen and heard
contain a notes about how the locals consider the
Iraqi exile community a
bunch of elitists who escaped when the going got
tough and who hope to
lord it over the rest
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To speculate that the Bush Administration would
abandon Iraq is to
speculate that the Bush Administration is
profoundly incompetent - and
only
the most blinded of partisans do so.
Will the nation building in Iraq be on the same
scale as the
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you want to read the last 3/4 of the article
that
discusses the room for
improvement in Afghanistan, you'll have to buy the
article from The Economsit. :)
I added a few links on that.
--- Marvin Long, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The White man's burden has been sung. Who will
sing the Brown man's?
Mark Twain
On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Of course not. Surely you don't expect anyone to
believe that that was
the goal of European colonialism
--- Marvin Long, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To my (admittedly slight) knowledge Kipling was a
critic of abusive
colonial practices (and of what struck him as a
naive American enthusiasm
for colonialism in the Phillipines) but a supporter
of the idea of a
Christian colonial empire. I see
--- J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Oh wow. And this fraud was made public only *a few
days* after Colin Powell
presented his evidence to the UN. It makes me
wonder what else in the
evidence will be exposed as lies and
falsifications in the next few weeks...
Plenty, I
--- Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3.
Air support for this battle was provided by
Norwegian F-16s, the first
time the Norwegian airforce has seen combat since
WW2. So there's
another European (but not, of course, EU) country
projecting force
across a substantial distance, even if
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Given what you said, and I agree with the lack of
morality involved in
the actions of the German companies, what would you
say about an American
company that sold him prohibited equipment that
contained hardware that
could _very easily_ be
--- J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Saw a speech by, IIRC, Schroeder recently. He
mentioned (paraphrasing) that
Germany is opposed against war against Iraq, because
the German people,
having been in the center of two world wars, realise
that going to war is
never the solution
I'm cool either way, but I have no idea what piece
y'all are referring to. I might have deleted the
e-mail by mistake - I'm at work, and so blurring
through them pretty fast while I calculate stuff.
Gautam
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Doug
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dan Minette wrote:
Let me get this straight. You are accusing Powell
of fabricating evidence?
Well (this is the article that Rich ghosted)
No casus belli? Invent one!
As Colin Powell presents evidence to the UN to
justify war,
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Doug just posted it. I actually have a
verisimilitude question on this.
By 1991, we were already in the media frenzy phase,
where even tabloid
stories quickly made the rounds. If the proof of
fabrication was evident
in 1991, why didn't the NY
I found this to be very well done, so I thought I
would post the URL to the list - it's the thoughts of
someone who has changed his mind on the Iraqi
conflict. I don't agree with everything, but I find
it to be be extremely impressive.
You should always read James Lileks. You should
always read James Lileks. :-) He's a really funny
guy, who also often has some really astonishingly
insightful things to say.
http://www.lileks.com/bleats/archive/03/0203/021403.html
Plus, his book is named _The Gallery of Regrettable
Food_. :-)
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22210-2003Feb17.html
European leaders, trying to end their bitter dispute
over Iraq, warned
Saddam Hussein on Monday he faces a last chance to
disarm, but gave no
deadline and said U.N. weapons
--- Marvin Long, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've read some positive reviews and some negative
reviews. The important
question, of course, is: how is Jennifer Garner's
kung fu? Does it look
good or does it look like the standard Hollywood
bimbette-in-leather-pants
Fu?
Marvin
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It may be silly, but it does seem to reflect the
popular opinion better
than the leaders who support the US. What I read
indicates that Blair may
lose his position as Prime Minister if push comes to
shove and there is a
war without UN sponsorship.
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't see how you read this. Its not the war
that's hard to win, its the
peace afterwards. I see plenty of opportunities for
people to point out
where mistakes are made. Do you really think that
setting up even a
quasi-democracy with a middle
--- J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
At 13:03 18-2-2003 -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
1. The people protesting the war don't give a damn
about Iraqi civilians -
they're just a prop to attack the US with and
2. In Afghanistan there were well under 1000
civilian casualties by most
Erik,
Thanks :-) I'm under a fair amount of stress at work,
and have just been rather unbelievably sick (the worst
experience of my entire life) so I think I snapped a
little bit.
My position is almost exactly the same as yours. I
think we will be fairly effective at nation-building,
and will
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is the income generated by a winning football
program? Dollars to
donuts, even with the high expense generated by the
football program, the
football program generates a lot more revenue than
expenses. The _real_
crime is that there are so
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
CHELSEA CLINTON is the envy of this
year's graduate trainees
after being offered a $100,000 (£64,500)-a-year
job with McKinsey, the
New
York management consultancy.
I wonder what Guatam has to say about this.
On second
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/home/main100.shtml
we see the report that Saddam Hussein denied his
al-Samoud 2 missiles
violated U.N. mandates and indicated he will resist
demands to destroy
them. If he does, then that will change the
--- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
He's played a poor hand rather well for the last
11+ years.
He was playing against Clinton, what did you expect?
JDG
I have to agree - he wasn't exactly competing against
the varsity, Dan.
Gautam
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, but the name calling was entirely constructive,
don't you think? I
mean why bother with all that diplomacy stuff when
you can publicly
brand a nation as evil and be done with it? Now
that's a foreign policy
you can sink your teeth into.
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 2/25/2003 12:00:24 AM Eastern
Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
He was playing against Clinton, what did you
expect?
This is an incredibly cheap shot. Clinton had no
support at home or abroad for a policy to confrount
Iraq. And let
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What do you think of Gautam's argument that a swift
military victory in
Iraq will turn the support numbers around, like the
victory over Argentina
did for Maggie?
Dan M.
I should note that I think that's true for the British
public, but not
--- Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think that Labour MPs are much more New Labour
than most of the
Labour Party though. Quite a lot of town and county
councils seem to
have an awful lot of unreconstructed Labourites
(some even verging on
actual Marxism) sitting on them. (Or at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2374-2003Feb25.html
The Washington Post reports from liberated Kabul.
Odds on how long it will be before such a report is
filed from Baghdad?
Gautam
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Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Tax Center - forms,
--- Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With the disclaimer that I have no hard evidence
supporting anything I'm
about to say and I'm certainly not an expert on the
Labour Party, I
think that the rank and file of the Labour Party is
indeed more extreme
than the leadership. Here's how I
--- J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
If at the time the US government believed they
didn't have enough evidence
to put Osama bin Laden on trial, then refusing the
offer was a sensible
approach. Why bother to have someone handed over to
you, if you know you're
going to have to
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let me start with the first WTC bombing about which
Clinton did nothing. Well we caught the guys who did
it. What were we to do next?
They didn't act alone. They were supported by Bin
Laden, among many others. We should have been a _lot_
more aggressive in going
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/ap/20030227/ap_wo_en_ge/na_gen_us_europe_wiesel_1
The money quote:
If Europe were to apply as much pressure on Saddam
Hussein as (it) does on the United States and Britain,
I think we could prevent war, he said.
Gautam
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But it is not anti-American to be critical of poor
policies. I caught flak for that back in high
school
Civics class... shrug
Not A Sheep Maru
Not in the least. But when that criticism is mated
with giving America's enemies the benefit of
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 06:00:10PM -0600, Dan
Minette wrote:
The French helped him develop atomic bomb
capacities.
Do you have a cite on this?
--
Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Osirak. The Iraqi nuclear reactor that the Israelis
--- J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
US control over the heavens is old news, really --
it's even mentioned in
the Navy Hymne:
If the Army and the Navy
Ever look on Heaven's scenes,
They will see the streets are guarded
By United States Marines!
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gautam, please
limit yourself to *facts*, and leave
out the right-wing
extremist propaganda. Contrary to what Bush Co.
want you to believe, being
anti-war does NOT equal being pro-Saddam. People in
the anti-war movement
don't like Saddam Hussein any more than
One of my neighbors, who's in the Army and works in
Oakland, was caught off post in her uniform by a bunch
of people expressing their displeasure with the
non-war in Iraq. They surrounded and harassed her for
a good while until a few sailors happened upon the
scene and extracted her from the
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What was it like during the Viet Nam war? Did this
sort of thing happen
then? I've heard about vets being mistreated; what
about those still
actively serving?
Julia
It happened a _lot_ then. It's probably the same
people doing it. I
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But a good number of the people marching aren't
necessarily in agreement
with ANSWER's general policies. Additionally, there
are smaller rallies and
marches organized by people *not* connected to
ANSWER. Will you tar them
*all* with the ANSWER
--- Paul Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 11:36:51AM -0800, Gautam
Mukunda wrote:
Where were the people now strongly pushing towards
war that time ago? Trying
to play the moral card is fraught with problems, not
least because *nobody
on either side* really cared
--- J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Yes, it is telling people that the behaviour of
people like Bush and Sharon
is a lot closer to that of Hitler than you think
(and a lot closer than you
are willing to admit) -- but anti-Jewishness has
nothing to do with it. The
sign doesn't
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I conclude anti-war == pro-Saddam, your statement
was wrong.
It doesn't have to be. It could very well be based
on the assumption that,
while Hussein is a horrible dictator, the cost of
bringing him down is so
high, containment would be better.
--- Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is a curious position to criticize somebody for
taking a
moral stance
today, simply because they did not take that
stance yesterday and now
concede that they were wrong for not doing so.
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All of the folks I know who want 'more proof' or a
'UN-sanctioned international coalition' before war
is
declared think Saddam is a monster who ought to have
a
bullet through his head - so they are not giving him
any 'benefit' WRT his heinous
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
if you barely survive but your
buddy didn't, you have
the right to laugh at death.
Dan M.
It does change your perspective somewhat. In a story
Dan knows (but no one else on the list, I think) I had
a fairly spectacular incident where my life was
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