Re: Hurd Mission Statement

2009-06-05 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
I just put the mission stement into the wiki (that's the beauty of using the wiki as staging area for the website: I can just change something and upload it, and if it isn't good enough for the website, we can work on it till it is). http://www.bddebian.com:/~hurd-web/ Also I added Olafs

Re: Hurd Mission Statement

2009-06-05 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
On Thursday, 4. June 2009 13:45:55 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: And I just spotted something missing: The word free :) I forgot to add the reasoning: Even though people who know GNU should know that GNU only uses free software, but this mission statement will (hopefully) also be read by

Re: Initial target(s) for libmob

2009-06-05 Thread Carl Fredrik Hammar
Hi, On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 06:50:01AM +0200, olafbuddenha...@gmx.net wrote: ioctl()s are always specific to a particular device class, and thus the server(s) implementing (or proxying) it. It makes perfect sense for a server implementing a specific device, also to provide the ioctl

Re: Sharing code with Genode?

2009-06-05 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 01:09:06AM +0200, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: I just got a gnu hurd news alert which talked about Genode, so took a quick look at it, and it seems like Hurd and Genode could benefit from some code- sharing. I don't think so... As we know by now, even sharing

Re: Code from last years GSoC merged?

2009-06-05 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:47:25AM +0200, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: How much of the code from last years GSoC has already been merged into the mainline Hurd? Some of the Mach patches from Adrei have been merged by Samuel in a timely manner, but others had outstanding issues, so they

GNU Mach: in user-mode?

2009-06-05 Thread Ivan Shmakov
I wonder, is there a chance of getting GNU Mach to run as an user-mode application under a different (e. g., GNU/Linux, or Mach-based GNU/Hurd itself) system? Is there any significant issues, beyond of simply severing all the ties to the real hardware (and

Re: GNU Mach: in user-mode?

2009-06-05 Thread Samuel Thibault
Ivan Shmakov, le Fri 05 Jun 2009 21:01:26 +0700, a écrit : I wonder, is there a chance of getting GNU Mach to run as an user-mode application under a different (e. g., GNU/Linux, or Mach-based GNU/Hurd itself) system? Chances always exist. Developers time, no. * The

Re: GNU Mach: in user-mode?

2009-06-05 Thread Ivan Shmakov
Samuel Thibault samuel.thiba...@gnu.org writes: I wonder, is there a chance of getting GNU Mach to run as an user-mode application under a different (e. g., GNU/Linux, or Mach-based GNU/Hurd itself) system? Chances always exist. Developers time, no. Surely. Not quite the

Re: GNU Mach: in user-mode?

2009-06-05 Thread Ivan Shmakov
Samuel Thibault samuel.thiba...@gnu.org writes: * The time and qualification necessary to deploy one or more GNU/Linux systems on a single host using User-Mode Linux is (to my experience) significantly lower than for the other solutions (KVM, Xen) For Xen I agree. For KVM, I don't.

Re: GNU Mach: in user-mode?

2009-06-05 Thread Samuel Thibault
Ivan Shmakov, le Fri 05 Jun 2009 22:26:46 +0700, a écrit : Samuel Thibault samuel.thiba...@gnu.org writes: * The time and qualification necessary to deploy one or more GNU/Linux systems on a single host using User-Mode Linux is (to my experience) significantly lower than for the other

Re: GNU Mach: in user-mode?

2009-06-05 Thread Ivan Shmakov
Samuel Thibault samuel.thiba...@gnu.org writes: [...] With the latter being said, I wonder, wouldn't the changes necessary to run GNU Mach in user-mode be similar to those already done to make it suitable for Xen? The thing is: Xen provides you with pagetable-like operations so it's

Re: GNU Mach: in user-mode?

2009-06-05 Thread Samuel Thibault
Ivan Shmakov, le Sat 06 Jun 2009 00:13:19 +0700, a écrit : Samuel Thibault samuel.thiba...@gnu.org writes: With the latter being said, I wonder, wouldn't the changes necessary to run GNU Mach in user-mode be similar to those already done to make it suitable for Xen? The thing is: