Re: [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] waves podcast is out

2024-04-29 Thread Bob McMahon via Cake
Fronthaul networks, preferably fiber, to a 20+ year concentrator (not a 802.3 switch) at the same location of an electrical panel. Get rid of the SoC and AP which is basically a Sun workstation with NICs and use remote radio heads (or in switch speak, port ASICs.) This design will work for 50+

[Cake] apologies for the email flood

2024-04-29 Thread Dave Taht via Cake
it has been a long time since I cleaned out the backlog of email in the cake mailboxes. I am hoping at least some of that did not wind up in a spam folder? Particularly to gmail? -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVFWSyMp3xg=1098s Waves Podcast Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos

Re: [Cake] [PATCH net-next] net: sched: cake: Optimize number of calls to cake_heapify()

2024-04-29 Thread Kuan-Wei Chiu via Cake
On Sun, Apr 07, 2024 at 06:10:04PM +0200, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: > Kuan-Wei Chiu writes: > > > Improve the max-heap construction process by reducing unnecessary > > heapify operations. Specifically, adjust the starting condition from > > n / 2 to n / 2 - 1 in the loop that iterates over

[Cake] [PATCH net-next v2] net: sched: cake: Optimize the number of function calls and branches in heap construction

2024-04-29 Thread Kuan-Wei Chiu via Cake
When constructing a heap, heapify operations are required on all non-leaf nodes. Thus, determining the index of the first non-leaf node is crucial. In a heap, the left child's index of node i is 2 * i + 1 and the right child's index is 2 * i + 2. Node CAKE_MAX_TINS * CAKE_QUEUES / 2 has its left

[Cake] Fwd: Firewalla App 1.56 Beta (part 1): Wi-Fi Test, CAKE and more

2024-04-29 Thread Frantisek Borsik via Cake
CAKE is in! Great job, Dave. All the best, Frank Frantisek (Frank) Borsik https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 Skype: casioa5302ca frantisek.bor...@gmail.com -- Forwarded message - From:

Re: [Cake] draft-ietf-tsvwg-nqb-15.txt vs the cake AQM

2024-04-29 Thread Ruediger.Geib--- via Cake
Dave, thanks for asking - I'm not an NQB author, and my know-how on Linux QoS / Cake is fairly zero. Did you want to address Greg? I myself am still struggling to understand how NQB operates. I understand the idea behind it, but questions on operation still remain. NQB has been designed for

[Cake] [PATCH net-next] net: sched: cake: Optimize number of calls to cake_heapify()

2024-04-29 Thread Kuan-Wei Chiu via Cake
Improve the max-heap construction process by reducing unnecessary heapify operations. Specifically, adjust the starting condition from n / 2 to n / 2 - 1 in the loop that iterates over all non-leaf elements. Signed-off-by: Kuan-Wei Chiu --- net/sched/sch_cake.c | 2 +- 1 file changed, 1

[Cake] The Brothers WISP 181 Podcast – “The Cake is not a Lie for ISPs”

2024-04-29 Thread Frantisek Borsik via Cake
Great episode featuring LibreQoS, Preseem and a few ISPs. You all will love it! http://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/the-brothers-wisp-181-the-cake-is-not-a-lie-for-isps/ Lots of additional links to study in the description. -- All the best, Frank Frantisek (Frank) Borsik

Re: [Cake] [Rpm] so great to see ISPs that care

2024-04-29 Thread rjmcmahon via Cake
iperf 2 uses responses per second and also provides the bounce back times as well as one way delays. The hypothesis is that network engineers have to fix KPI issues, including latency, ahead of shipping products. Asking companies to act on consumer complaints is way too late. It's also

Re: [Cake] [Rpm] so great to see ISPs that care

2024-04-29 Thread rjmcmahon via Cake
Our current WiFi designs, at least in residential, are like garden hoses attached to rectangular sprinklers - flexible and suboptimal. What's needed is an irrigation system approach where physical dimensions and spray patterns are designed in by a qualified designer. (I was 16 when I got my

Re: [Cake] [Rpm] so great to see ISPs that care

2024-04-29 Thread rjmcmahon via Cake
for completeness, here is a concurrent "working load" example: [root@ryzen3950 iperf2-code]# iperf -c 192.168.1.58%enp4s0 -i 1 -e --bounceback --working-load=up,4 -t 3 Client connecting to 192.168.1.58, TCP port 5001 with pid

Re: [Cake] [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] the grinch meets cloudflare'schristmas present

2024-04-29 Thread Luis A. Cornejo via Cake
Al, I am not aware of the payload generation. -Luis On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 11:43 AM MORTON JR., AL wrote: > Dave and Luis, > > Do you know if any of these tools are using ~random payloads, to defeat > compression? > > UDPST has a CLI option: > (m)-X Randomize datagram payload

Re: [Cake] [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] the grinch meets cloudflare'schristmas present

2024-04-29 Thread MORTON JR., AL via Cake
Dave and Luis, Do you know if any of these tools are using ~random payloads, to defeat compression? UDPST has a CLI option: (m)-X Randomize datagram payload (else zeroes) When I used this option testing shipboard satellite access, download was about 115kbps. Al > -Original

Re: [Cake] [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] the grinch meets cloudflare'schristmas present

2024-04-29 Thread Jay Moran via Cake
Quick note from reading your blog entry. Last night, I played with the Cloudflare Speedtest a little. It downloads 25MB and a 50MB (or 100MB, can’t remember) as well on a “speedier” network after it does the 10MB file. I was getting 1.2Gbs down and 760Mbs up, 4ms of LUL, and seeing those larger

Re: [Cake] [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] the grinch meets cloudflare'schristmas present

2024-04-29 Thread rjmcmahon via Cake
yeah, I'd prefer not to output CLT sample groups at all but the histograms aren't really human readable and users constantly ask for them. I thought about providing a distance from the gaussian as output too but so far few would understand it and nobody I found would act upon it. The tool

Re: [Cake] [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] the grinch meets cloudflare'schristmas present

2024-04-29 Thread Dick Roy via Cake
See below . -Original Message- From: Starlink [mailto:starlink-boun...@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of rjmcmahon via Starlink Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 12:39 PM To: MORTON JR., AL Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink; IETF IPPM WG; libreqos; Cake List; Rpm; bloat Subject: Re: [Starlink]

Re: [Cake] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] the grinch meets cloudflare's christmas present

2024-04-29 Thread rjmcmahon via Cake
For responsiveness, the bounceback seems reasonable even with upstream competition. Bunch more TCP retries though. [rjmcmahon@ryzen3950 iperf2-code]$ iperf -c *** --hide-ips -e --trip-times -i 1 --bounceback -t 3 Client connecting

Re: [Cake] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] the grinch meets cloudflare's christmas present

2024-04-29 Thread rjmcmahon via Cake
Some thoughts are not to use UDP for testing here. Also, these speed tests have little to no information for network engineers about what's going on. Iperf 2 may better assist network engineers but then I'm biased ;) Running iperf 2 https://sourceforge.net/projects/iperf2/ with --trip-times.

Re: [Cake] [Starlink] [Rpm] the grinch meets cloudflare's christmas present

2024-04-29 Thread Dick Roy via Cake
HNY to all! Seems to me that we often get distracted by nomenclature needlessly. Perhaps it's time to agree on the lexicon that should be used going forward so as to avoid such distractions. Perhaps a place to start is "the technical facts": 1)"capacity" is a property of a link (or

Re: [Cake] [Rpm] the grinch meets cloudflare's christmas present

2024-04-29 Thread rjmcmahon via Cake
Curious to why people keep calling capacity tests speed tests? A semi at 55 mph isn't faster than a porsche at 141 mph because its load volume is larger. Bob HNY Dave and all the rest, Great to see yet another capacity test add latency metrics to the results. This one looks like a good

Re: [Cake] [Starlink] [Bloat] [Rpm] the grinch meets cloudflare'schristmas present

2024-04-29 Thread Dick Roy via Cake
-Original Message- From: Starlink [mailto:starlink-boun...@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of Sebastian Moeller via Starlink Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2023 3:12 AM To: rjmcmahon Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink; IETF IPPM WG; j...@jonathanfoulkes.com; libreqos; Cake List; Rpm; bloat

Re: [Cake] [Starlink] [Bloat] [Rpm] the grinch meets cloudflare'schristmas present

2024-04-29 Thread rjmcmahon via Cake
_[RR] ... IMO, a more useful concept of latency is the excess transit time over the theoretical minimum that results from all the real-world "interruptions" in the transmission path(s) including things like regeneration of optical signals in long cables, switching of network layer protocols in

Re: [Cake] [Bloat] A quick report from the WISPA conference

2024-04-29 Thread Sina Khanifar via Cake
Hi Sebastian, > > [SM] Just an observation, using Safari I see large maximal delays (like a > small group of samples far out to the right of the bulk) for both down- > and upload that essentially disappear when I switch to firefox. Now I tend > to have a ton of tabs open in Safari while I only

Re: [Cake] A quick report from the WISPA conference

2024-04-29 Thread Sina Khanifar via Cake
> > > > I can't help but wonder tho... are you collecting any statistics, over > time, as to how much better the problem is getting? > > > We are collecting anonymized data, but we haven't analyzed it yet. If we get a bit of time we'll look at that hopefully. > > > > And any chance

Re: [Cake] [Rpm] [Make-wifi-fast] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat

2024-04-29 Thread Stuart Cheshire via Cake
On 20 Oct 2022, at 02:36, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > Hi Stuart, > > [SM] That seems to be somewhat optimistic. We have been there before, short > of mandating actually-working oracle schedulers on all end-points, > intermediate hops will see queues some more and some less transient. So we >

Re: [Cake] [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat

2024-04-29 Thread Michael Richardson via Cake
Stuart Cheshire via Bloat wrote: >> I think the person with the cheetos pulling out a gun and shooting >> everyone in front of him (AQM) would not go down well. > Which is why starting with a bad analogy (people waiting in a grocery > store) inevitably leads to bad conclusions.

Re: [Cake] [Bloat] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat

2024-04-29 Thread Nathan Owens via Cake
I think Tech Quickie is part of Linus Tech Tips (Linus Media Group), not iFixit, FWIW. On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 6:15 AM Dave Taht via Bloat < bl...@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > This was so massively well done, I cried. Does anyone know how to get > in touch with the ifxit folk? > >

Re: [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat

2024-04-29 Thread Stuart Cheshire via Cake
On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 5:02 PM Stuart Cheshire wrote: > Accuracy be damned. The analogy to common experience resonates more. I feel it is not an especially profound insight to observe that, “people don’t like waiting in line.” The conclusion, “therefore privileged people should get to go to

Re: [Cake] [Bloat] [Rpm] [Make-wifi-fast] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat

2024-04-29 Thread Livingood, Jason via Cake
> Better is that network engineers "design bloat out" from the beginning > starting by properly sizing queues to service jitter, and for WiFi, to also > enable aggregation techniques that minimize TXOP consumption. Maybe – like ‘security by design’ and ‘privacy by design’ – we need ‘low

Re: [Cake] [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat

2024-04-29 Thread Sina Khanifar via Cake
Positive or negative, I can claim a bit of credit for this video :). We've been working with LTT on a few projects and we pitched them on doing something around bufferbloat. We've seen more traffic to our Waveforn test than ever before, which has been fun! On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 7:45 PM Dave

Re: [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat

2024-04-29 Thread Stuart Cheshire via Cake
On 9 Oct 2022, at 06:14, Dave Taht via Make-wifi-fast wrote: > This was so massively well done, I cried. Does anyone know how to get in > touch with the ifxit folk? > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UICh3ScfNWI I’m surprised that you liked this video. It seems to me that it repeats all the

Re: [Cake] Ubiquity (Unifi ) Smart Queues

2024-04-29 Thread dave seddon via Cake
G'day, Just a small update on the Unifi security gateway stuff. They have a new range of devices which are a lot more powerful. ( https://store.ui.com/us/en/collections/cloud-gateway-ultra/products/ucg-ultra ) The good news is that the limits set in the GUI now match exactly the "rate" set in

[Cake] waves podcast is out

2024-04-29 Thread Dave Taht via Cake
I did my usual bufferbloat rap on this pretty excellent podcast. What I am most proud of however, was showing off my mom´s art in this segment here, including her most powerful piece "Sad Sam". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVFWSyMp3xg=1098s -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0Tmvv5jJKs Epik