Re: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread John Gabriele
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:52 PM, John Gabriele jmg3...@gmail.com wrote: The only inconsistency, I think, is that operating systems like Debian refer to their software distributions as packages (as in, a packaged up piece

Re: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread P.J. Eby
At 10:29 AM 1/7/2010 -0600, Brad Allen wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:12 AM, John Gabriele jmg3...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:52 PM, John Gabriele jmg3...@gmail.com wrote: The only inconsistency, I think,

Re: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Brad Allen
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:12 AM, John Gabriele jmg3...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:52 PM, John Gabriele jmg3...@gmail.com wrote: The only inconsistency, I think, is that operating systems like Debian refer to

Re: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
8614 *projects*, some of which have one or more *versions*, which in turn may have one or more source or binary *distributions*. Instead of version, I really like PyPI's term more: *releases*. As for projects: fine with me; PyPI would then be the Python Project Index. Regards, Martin

Re: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Instead of version, I really like PyPI's term more: *releases*. Not all versions are released versions Actually, from a PyPI point of view, they are :-) Regards, Martin ___ Catalog-SIG mailing list Catalog-SIG@python.org

Re: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Tarek Ziadé wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Brad Allen bradallen...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:40 PM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: As for projects: fine with me; PyPI would then be the Python Project Index. +1 If this gets general agreement, there are

Re: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Stephen Waterbury
Brad Allen wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:40 PM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: As for projects: fine with me; PyPI would then be the Python Project Index. +1 If this gets general agreement, there are probably some places where the word 'package' should be replaced with the word

Re: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Brad Allen wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:51 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: I don't think we need to change anything - most Python software components come as Python packages nowadays, so the terminology 'package' we've used all these years is correct. Do you mean only

Re: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:12 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: [..] I usually refer to the latter as 'Python package' and the former as 'package'. What you download is a 'distribution file' which could be an exe, a tarball, an egg, etc. There are many forms such a package distribution

Re: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread P.J. Eby
At 10:51 PM 1/7/2010 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: I don't think we need to change anything - most Python software components come as Python packages nowadays, so the terminology 'package' we've used all these years is correct. Actually, this sentence rather proves the *opposite* point, since

Re: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Michael Foord
2010/1/7 P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com At 09:20 PM 1/7/2010 +0100, Martin v. Löwis wrote: 8614 *projects*, some of which have one or more *versions*, which in turn may have one or more source or binary *distributions*. Instead of version, I really like PyPI's term more: *releases*.

Re: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Brad Allen
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:40 PM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: As for projects: fine with me; PyPI would then be the Python Project Index. +1 If this gets general agreement, there are probably some places where the word 'package' should be replaced with the word 'project', right? For

Re: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Brad Allen
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:51 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: I don't think we need to change anything - most Python software components come as Python packages nowadays, so the terminology 'package' we've used all these years is correct. Do you mean only 'package' in the sense of an

Re: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread John Gabriele
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:12 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: [..] I usually refer to the latter as 'Python package' and the former as 'package'. What you download is a 'distribution file' which could be an exe,

Re: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
How's that sound? I read this as a -1 for changing PyPI to use project. Still, support *for* renaming it is much wider, it seems. Regards, Martin ___ Catalog-SIG mailing list Catalog-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/catalog-sig

Re: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread John Gabriele
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: How's that sound? I read this as a -1 for changing PyPI to use project. Well, I'd say not -1, nor +1. I think either name for the PyPI is ok. I was trying to address the larger issue of confusion of terminology. I

Re: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Fred Drake
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:43 PM, John Gabriele jmg3...@gmail.com wrote: 3. People don't like calling those MyProject-1.0.2.tgz thingies distributions. They keep calling them packages, and when you correct them, they say, [sigh], fine. [eyes roll] 'distribution'. Interesting. I've never

Re: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread John Gabriele
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:43 PM, John Gabriele jmg3...@gmail.com wrote: So, here's a suggestion: just call both things (packages and distributions) packages, but then agree to fully qualify the names when you need to avoid ambiguity, for example: I just built a distribution-package (or

Re: [Catalog-sig] [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Fred Drake wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:43 PM, John Gabriele jmg3...@gmail.com wrote: 3. People don't like calling those MyProject-1.0.2.tgz thingies distributions. They keep calling them packages, and when you correct them, they say, [sigh],