On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Donald Stufft donald.stu...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm glad the next set of Metadata won't have external links, however
even if it showed up tomorrow it's going to be a long time until
people are completely migrated to it. Furthermore you estimate
months but the
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:12 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote:
On 28.02.2013 07:39, Nick Coghlan wrote:
1. The next generation metadata infrastructure will NOT support
external hosting of files indexed on PyPI - if you don't upload the
archive files to PyPI, they won't be included in
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 22:04 +0100, Lennart Regebro wrote:
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote:
But wouldn't this only be a change in pip/easy_install, not PyPI
itself? I suppose you could explicitly break the external links by
having them point to
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 09:48 +1100, Richard Jones wrote:
On 28 February 2013 08:31, PJ Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
OTOH, I currently make development snapshots of setuptools and other
projects available by dumping them in a directory that's used as an
external download URL.
On 28.02.2013 09:43, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:12 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote:
On 28.02.2013 07:39, Nick Coghlan wrote:
1. The next generation metadata infrastructure will NOT support
external hosting of files indexed on PyPI - if you don't upload the
archive
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 06:38 +0100, Andreas Jung wrote:
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+1 for the proposal
The complete discussion on this topic is once again absurd and bizarre.
We are discussing the issue with externally hosted packages every year
and the situation has
On 28 February 2013 20:09, holger krekel hol...@merlinux.eu wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 09:48 +1100, Richard Jones wrote:
On 28 February 2013 08:31, PJ Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
OTOH, I currently make development snapshots of setuptools and other
projects available by dumping them
On 27.02.2013 19:11, Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
On Feb 27, 2013, at 9:28 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
On 27.02.2013 18:05, Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote:
I propose we deprecate the external links that PyPI has published
on the /simple/ indexes which exist because of
On 27.02.2013 19:11, Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
On Feb 27, 2013, at 9:28 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
[reasons for not hosting distribution files on PyPI]
* giving up control
This is the point of running a package server, the author gives up control
over distribution in order to reap the
no support for UCS2/UCS4 binary distributions, unsupported
distribution file formats (e.g. our prebuilt format),
Not sure why PyPI would even care what charset the package files use,
but if true thats certainly a bug and we can get that fixed. What
file formats do pip/buildout support that PyPI
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 5:29 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
On 27.02.2013 19:21, Donald Stufft wrote:
On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 at 1:11 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
On 27.02.2013 18:37, Donald Stufft wrote:
On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 at 12:10 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
On Feb 28, 2013, at 5:41 AM, Donald Stufft donald.stu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Jesse Noller wrote:
Thread fork.
Anyway. I know we have at least 1 major rep of a cloud provider on the list,
and I have at least one off in my pocket.
I'd like to
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 6:13 AM, Jesse Noller wrote:
On Feb 28, 2013, at 5:41 AM, Donald Stufft donald.stu...@gmail.com
(mailto:donald.stu...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Jesse Noller wrote:
Thread fork.
Anyway. I know we have at
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 5:55 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
I think we all agree that scanning arbitrary HTML pages
for download links is not a good idea and we need to
transition away from this towards a more reliable system.
Here's an approach that would work to start the transition
Il giorno 28/feb/2013, alle ore 12:18, Donald Stufft donald.stu...@gmail.com
ha scritto:
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 6:13 AM, Jesse Noller wrote:
On Feb 28, 2013, at 5:41 AM, Donald Stufft donald.stu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Jesse Noller
On 28-02-13 10:28, holger krekel wrote:
I wrote a little command line tool cleanpypi.py for the
purposes of removing_all_ download/homepage metadata from all releases
of a project.
This sounds like you're removing older releases from pypi, effectively?
That's the #2 thing I hate about some
On 28.02.2013 13:43, Jesse Noller wrote:
Can we please actually look at the free offers we are being given versus
paying for something for once
Sure. This is just for testing.
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Python
Good phew!
On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:50 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote:
On 28.02.2013 13:43, Jesse Noller wrote:
Can we please actually look at the free offers we are being given versus
paying for something for once
Sure. This is just for testing.
--
Marc-Andre Lemburg
Can we please actually look at the free offers we are being given versus paying
for something for once
On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:40 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote:
On 28.02.2013 13:11, Donald Stufft wrote:
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 6:48 AM, Giovanni Bajo wrote:
Il giorno
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Reinout van Rees wrote:
On 28-02-13 10:43, holger krekel wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 06:38 +0100, Andreas Jung wrote:
I give a shit at the arguments pulled out every time by package
maintainers using PyPI only for listing their packages. I
Il giorno 28/feb/2013, alle ore 13:53, Donald Stufft donald.stu...@gmail.com
ha scritto:
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 7:49 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
There you go:
https://d1t66zoqn9vlte.cloudfront.net/simple/
Same thing on Fastly http://pypi.python.org.a.prod.fastly.net/simple/
Easy
On 28.02.2013 13:56, Donald Stufft wrote:
The non /simple/ pages for either of this won't work since PyPI will
redirect to https://pypi.python.org/ FWIW.
I've fixed this for CloudFront:
https://d1t66zoqn9vlte.cloudfront.net/
https://d1t66zoqn9vlte.cloudfront.net/pypi
both let you see PyPI
On 28.02.2013 15:02, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
On 28.02.2013 14:37, Giovanni Bajo wrote:
Il giorno 28/feb/2013, alle ore 13:53, Donald Stufft
donald.stu...@gmail.com ha scritto:
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 7:49 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
There you go:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
Thread fork.
Anyway. I know we have at least 1 major rep of a cloud provider on the list,
and I have at least one off in my pocket.
I'd like to start discussing (completely ignoring past efforts and discussion
which
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Reinout van Rees rein...@vanrees.org wrote:
On 27-02-13 16:26, Donald Stufft wrote:
2. External links decrease the expected uptime for a particular set
of requirements. PyPI itself has become very stable, however
the same cannot be said for
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
Pissing off the maintainers off packages that currently rely on
external
On 28 Feb, 2013, at 14:41, holger krekel hol...@merlinux.eu wrote:
That's the #2 thing I hate about some packages: removed releases
that I faithfully pinned in my buildout (or requirements.txt).
Removing releases is, imho, irresponsible.
it's bad, yes.
But necessary to have. Or am the
On Feb 28, 2013, at 3:43 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:12 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote:
On 28.02.2013 07:39, Nick Coghlan wrote:
1. The next generation metadata infrastructure will NOT support
external hosting of files indexed on PyPI - if you don't upload the
On 28.02.2013 17:27, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
On 28 Feb, 2013, at 14:41, holger krekel hol...@merlinux.eu wrote:
That's the #2 thing I hate about some packages: removed releases
that I faithfully pinned in my buildout (or requirements.txt).
Removing releases is, imho, irresponsible.
it's
I've added the proposal to the wiki to keep collecting comments
and updates:
http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyPI/DownloadMetaDataProposal
On 28.02.2013 12:55, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
On 28.02.2013 12:45, Donald Stufft wrote:
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 5:55 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
I think we
I've created a wiki page with the CloudFront setup description:
http://wiki.python.org/moin/CloudPyPI/ExampleCDN
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You can go ahead and shut this down please, as I said our CDN partner has
already been selected.
--Noah
On Feb 28, 2013, at 9:19 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
I've created a wiki page with the CloudFront setup description:
http://wiki.python.org/moin/CloudPyPI/ExampleCDN
--
Marc-Andre
On Feb 28, 2013, at 2:14 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
On 27.02.2013 19:11, Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
On Feb 27, 2013, at 9:28 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
On 27.02.2013 18:05, Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote:
I propose we deprecate the external links that PyPI has
On Feb 28, 2013, at 2:22 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
On 27.02.2013 19:11, Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
On Feb 27, 2013, at 9:28 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
[reasons for not hosting distribution files on PyPI]
* giving up control
This is the point of running a package server, the author gives up
On 28.02.2013 18:44, Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
On Feb 28, 2013, at 2:22 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
BTW: I've never seen a hosting website require agreeing to
giving users of the website the same distribution rights
as the owner of the website.
You should read terms of service more closely
On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:14 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
On 28.02.2013 18:44, Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
On Feb 28, 2013, at 2:22 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
BTW: I've never seen a hosting website require agreeing to
giving users of the website the same distribution rights
as the owner of the website.
On 28.02.2013 18:25, Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
You can go ahead and shut this down please, as I said our CDN partner has
already been selected.
I know. Again: this is for testing a CDN setup with installers,
mirrors, etc. It is not meant as permanent solution and will get
shut down again, after
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:31 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote:
In order for this to work out, you will need to get the
support of people hosting packages externally and address
their concerns.
The current discussion has been too dogmatic for my taste.
A more pragmatic approach would
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:55 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote:
I think we all agree that scanning arbitrary HTML pages
for download links is not a good idea and we need to
transition away from this towards a more reliable system.
Here's an approach that would work to start the
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 16:30 +0100, Lennart Regebro wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
Pissing off the maintainers off packages that currently rely on
external hosting by
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 13:56 +0100, Reinout van Rees wrote:
On 28-02-13 10:43, holger krekel wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 06:38 +0100, Andreas Jung wrote:
I give a shit at the arguments pulled out every time by package
maintainers using PyPI only for listing their packages. I am both
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 1:23 PM, PJ Eby wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com
(mailto:ncogh...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 7:00 PM, holger krekel hol...@merlinux.eu
(mailto:hol...@merlinux.eu) wrote:
To summarize, having
On 1 March 2013 04:10, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
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On 02/28/2013 11:27 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
But necessary to have. Or am the only one that accidently released a
version that had serious bugs?
Nope. The way to address such a
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 6:31 PM, PJ Eby wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Donald Stufft donald.stu...@gmail.com
(mailto:donald.stu...@gmail.com) wrote:
SSL checking on upload should be possible, do you want
a patch?
If it uses the 'requests' library, yes, I'll accept
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Donald Stufft donald.stu...@gmail.com wrote:
SSL checking on upload should be possible, do you want
a patch?
If it uses the 'requests' library, yes, I'll accept one. But I don't
want to do any direct implementation of SSL cert checking in
setuptools, at least
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
Reponding from my phone quickly before this gets any further, will write more
later. Plan is to have pypi move package download links to a new hostname
(probably pypi-download.python.org (http://pypi-download.python.org)) and
On 2/28/2013 1:19 PM, Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
Because I happen to have YouTube open anyway:
For clarity, you retain all of your ownership rights in your
Content. However, by submitting Content to YouTube, you hereby grant
YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and
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On 02/28/2013 11:27 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
But necessary to have. Or am the only one
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:52 PM, holger krekel hol...@merlinux.eu wrote:
There are also packages which have some (older) release files on pypi
and newer ones outside (e.g. lockfile with 78256 downloads from
code.google.com). You didn't include such in your 2651 emails, or did you?
No, I
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