Re: [Catalog-sig] Deprecate External Links

2013-03-01 Thread holger krekel
On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 10:02 +0100, Reinout van Rees wrote: On 28-02-13 21:08, holger krekel wrote: I have seen that position in this discussion (I have to upload 120 files per release, so I won't do that, for instance). haven't seen that. Marc-Andre Lemburg said this, which I took to

Re: [Catalog-sig] Deprecate External Links

2013-03-01 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 01.03.2013 10:02, Reinout van Rees wrote: On 28-02-13 21:08, holger krekel wrote: I have seen that position in this discussion (I have to upload 120 files per release, so I won't do that, for instance). haven't seen that. Marc-Andre Lemburg said this, which I took to mean 120 uploads

Re: [Catalog-sig] Deprecate External Links

2013-03-01 Thread holger krekel
On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 10:24 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 01.03.2013 10:02, Reinout van Rees wrote: On 28-02-13 21:08, holger krekel wrote: I have seen that position in this discussion (I have to upload 120 files per release, so I won't do that, for instance). haven't seen that.

[Catalog-sig] homepage/download metadata cleaning

2013-03-01 Thread holger krekel
Hi Richard, all, somewhere deep in the threads i mentioned i wrote a little cleanpypi.py script which takes a project name as an argument and then goes to pypi.python.org and removes all homepage/download metadata entries for this project. This sanitizes/speeds up installation because

Re: [Catalog-sig] homepage/download metadata cleaning

2013-03-01 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 01.03.2013 11:19, holger krekel wrote: Hi Richard, all, somewhere deep in the threads i mentioned i wrote a little cleanpypi.py script which takes a project name as an argument and then goes to pypi.python.org and removes all homepage/download metadata entries for this project. This

Re: [Catalog-sig] homepage/download metadata cleaning

2013-03-01 Thread Donald Stufft
On Friday, March 1, 2013 at 6:04 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 01.03.2013 11:19, holger krekel wrote: Hi Richard, all, somewhere deep in the threads i mentioned i wrote a little cleanpypi.py script which takes a project name as an argument and then goes to pypi.python.org

Re: [Catalog-sig] homepage/download metadata cleaning

2013-03-01 Thread Donald Stufft
On Friday, March 1, 2013 at 6:04 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 01.03.2013 11:19, holger krekel wrote: Hi Richard, all, somewhere deep in the threads i mentioned i wrote a little cleanpypi.py script which takes a project name as an argument and then goes to pypi.python.org

Re: [Catalog-sig] homepage/download metadata cleaning

2013-03-01 Thread holger krekel
On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 06:09 -0500, Donald Stufft wrote: On Friday, March 1, 2013 at 6:04 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 01.03.2013 11:19, holger krekel wrote: Hi Richard, all, somewhere deep in the threads i mentioned i wrote a little cleanpypi.py script which takes a project name

Re: [Catalog-sig] Deprecate External Links

2013-03-01 Thread Jesse Noller
Marc Andre: I'm cc'ing Van: can you explain why the pypi terms are a bummer so we can see if there is actually an issue to be resolved or a matter of taste? We need to protect the foundation while preserving author rights - but I don't want one user / subset dictating how we evolve the

Re: [Catalog-sig] PyPI terms (was: Deprecate External Links)

2013-03-01 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 01.03.2013 12:30, Jesse Noller wrote: Marc Andre: I'm cc'ing Van: can you explain why the pypi terms are a bummer so we can see if there is actually an issue to be resolved or a matter of taste? We need to protect the foundation while preserving author rights - but I don't want one

Re: [Catalog-sig] PyPI terms

2013-03-01 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 01.03.2013 13:18, Jesse Noller wrote: I am subscribed: I made the list. We're both board directors too. Changes to the tos should come from legal counsel, and the board Van and all others who are interested as well ? On Mar 1, 2013, at 6:47 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: On

Re: [Catalog-sig] PyPI terms (was: Deprecate External Links)

2013-03-01 Thread Jesse Noller
Either the tos is preventing pypi tech, security and distribution enhancements, or they aren't. If its the latter: then we can stop trotting them out as a reason to grossly improve our services and infrastructure. On Mar 1, 2013, at 6:47 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: On 01.03.2013

Re: [Catalog-sig] PyPI terms

2013-03-01 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 01.03.2013 12:47, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 01.03.2013 12:30, Jesse Noller wrote: Marc Andre: I'm cc'ing Van: can you explain why the pypi terms are a bummer so we can see if there is actually an issue to be resolved or a matter of taste? We need to protect the foundation while preserving

Re: [Catalog-sig] PyPI terms

2013-03-01 Thread Jesse Noller
Okie doke. So we can move on to putting up the CDN and deprecating external links for now? On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 8:56 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: On 01.03.2013 12:47, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 01.03.2013 12:30, Jesse Noller wrote: Marc Andre: I'm cc'ing Van: can you explain why

Re: [Catalog-sig] PyPI terms

2013-03-01 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 01.03.2013 15:02, Jesse Noller wrote: Okie doke. So we can move on to putting up the CDN and deprecating external links for now? I don't think anyone is against putting up a CDN. It should meet the same security requirements we have for the pypi server itself, ie. HTTPS all the way, proper

Re: [Catalog-sig] PyPI terms

2013-03-01 Thread VanL
Please forward to catalog-sig if this gets bounced. I'm not on that list. I drafted these terms of service. I know they are broad. They were made exactly as broad as was needed. This was not the case that we took the cheap-and-easy route of a maximal rights grant. (And besides, it would have

Re: [Catalog-sig] PyPI terms

2013-03-01 Thread holger krekel
On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 15:11 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 01.03.2013 15:02, Jesse Noller wrote: Okie doke. So we can move on to putting up the CDN and deprecating external links for now? I don't think anyone is against putting up a CDN. It should meet the same security requirements we

Re: [Catalog-sig] homepage/download metadata cleaning

2013-03-01 Thread PJ Eby
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 6:17 AM, holger krekel hol...@merlinux.eu wrote: On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 06:09 -0500, Donald Stufft wrote: On Friday, March 1, 2013 at 6:04 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 01.03.2013 11:19, holger krekel wrote: Hi Richard, all, somewhere deep in the threads i

Re: [Catalog-sig] Deprecate External Links

2013-03-01 Thread PJ Eby
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 4:24 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: On 01.03.2013 10:02, Reinout van Rees wrote: On 28-02-13 21:08, holger krekel wrote: I have seen that position in this discussion (I have to upload 120 files per release, so I won't do that, for instance). haven't seen

Re: [Catalog-sig] [Python-legal-sig] PyPI terms

2013-03-01 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Hi Van, please read my long posting to the python-legal list. This explains the concerns and makes suggestions on how to improve things in a way that is compatible with what PyPI is and how it is used today: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-legal-sig/2013-March/00.html PS: I'd prefer

[Catalog-sig] PEP 425 / 427 compatibility tags

2013-03-01 Thread Daniel Holth
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:37 AM, PJ Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 4:24 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: On 01.03.2013 10:02, Reinout van Rees wrote: On 28-02-13 21:08, holger krekel wrote: I have seen that position in this discussion (I have to upload 120

Re: [Catalog-sig] homepage/download metadata cleaning

2013-03-01 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Thank for the feedback, Holger and Phillip. I'll bake this into a version 0.2 of the proposal over the weekend. On 01.03.2013 17:29, PJ Eby wrote: On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 6:17 AM, holger krekel hol...@merlinux.eu wrote: On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 06:09 -0500, Donald Stufft wrote: On Friday, March

Re: [Catalog-sig] homepage/download metadata cleaning

2013-03-01 Thread Donald Stufft
On Friday, March 1, 2013 at 2:31 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 01.03.2013 12:17, holger krekel wrote: On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 06:09 -0500, Donald Stufft wrote: On Friday, March 1, 2013 at 6:04 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 01.03.2013 11:19, holger krekel wrote: Hi Richard, all,

Re: [Catalog-sig] homepage/download metadata cleaning

2013-03-01 Thread PJ Eby
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 2:31 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: Hmm, then why not remove links that don't match the above from the /simple/ index pages ? PyPI provides the links uninterpreted since the tools' interpretations have evolved over time. Note that it's easily possible to make

Re: [Catalog-sig] homepage/download metadata cleaning

2013-03-01 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 01.03.2013 23:50, Lennart Regebro wrote: On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 8:31 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: Hmm, then why not remove links that don't match the above from the /simple/ index pages ? I think we can do that, but if we *start* with that, we will just suddenly, with no

Re: [Catalog-sig] homepage/download metadata cleaning

2013-03-01 Thread holger krekel
On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 23:50 +0100, Lennart Regebro wrote: On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 8:31 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: Hmm, then why not remove links that don't match the above from the /simple/ index pages ? I think we can do that, but if we *start* with that, we will just