Re: [Catalog-sig] Package comments

2009-11-04 Thread René Dudfield
Hi, here's some ideas and observations from other places rating python projects. Depending on the community(and particular packages), I'm not sure if it will attract trolls or not. As an example, the comments on the pygame website I can't remember negative comments on there. I'm sure there

Re: [Catalog-sig] Package comments

2009-11-04 Thread René Dudfield
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:55 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: Regarding the usefulness of such a feature, take the PIL package as example: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/PIL/1.1.6  Package rating (3 votes): 4.667    * 4 points: 1 vote    * 5 points: 2 votes Ratings range

Re: [Catalog-sig] Package comments

2009-11-04 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
René Dudfield wrote: On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:55 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: Regarding the usefulness of such a feature, take the PIL package as example: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/PIL/1.1.6 Package rating (3 votes): 4.667 * 4 points: 1 vote * 5 points: 2

Re: [Catalog-sig] Package comments

2009-11-04 Thread James Bennett
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 5:01 AM, René Dudfield ren...@gmail.com wrote: People with commercial packages on there would be right to not like comments in some respects.  Since commercial organisations often like to control their PR as much as possible.  So in this way, the comments are not such a

Re: [Catalog-sig] Package comments

2009-11-04 Thread P.J. Eby
At 07:13 AM 11/4/2009 +0100, Martin v. Löwis wrote: And I'm in favor of deleting spam (i.e. comments that are clearly unrelated to the package - as graffiti is clearly unrelated to the place where it gets attached). Not so - if I spraypaint your service sucks on a restaurant's window, it is

Re: [Catalog-sig] Package comments

2009-11-04 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Comments face a related issue which exposes the psychology a bit more clearly: there's a barrier to commenting (you have to register) In the current implementation on PyPI, you also have to register to participate in the rating. In my experience, this results in the opposite of the YouTube

Re: [Catalog-sig] Package comments

2009-11-04 Thread Martin v. Löwis
If PyPI is meant to go social rather than being purely a search engine, then the ones who put their content up on PyPI should at the very least be allowed to reply to comments That's already the case - package authors can respond to comments. and to be fair, ratings should be visible to all

Re: [Catalog-sig] Package comments

2009-11-04 Thread Ian Bicking
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:55 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: If PyPI is meant to go social rather than being purely a search engine, then the ones who put their content up on PyPI should at the very least be allowed to reply to comments and to be fair, ratings should be visible to all

Re: [Catalog-sig] Package comments

2009-11-04 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Laura Creighton wrote: In a message of Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:13:45 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg writes: snip That said, I don't think it's a good idea to try to reinvent a wheel that has already been invented many times over. Just look at the successful systems running on e.g. Amazon and eBay. We

Re: [Catalog-sig] Package comments

2009-11-03 Thread Jannis Leidel
Am 27.10.2009 um 21:32 schrieb Martin v. Löwis: Some package maintainers are unhappy with the recent addition of a rating-and-comment facility in PyPI; they don't want to see user comments on their package page (the rating itself is not being challenged, AFAIU). For the record, I *did*

Re: [Catalog-sig] Package comments

2009-11-03 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Jannis Leidel wrote: Am 27.10.2009 um 21:32 schrieb Martin v. Löwis: Some package maintainers are unhappy with the recent addition of a rating-and-comment facility in PyPI; they don't want to see user comments on their package page (the rating itself is not being challenged, AFAIU). For

Re: [Catalog-sig] Package comments

2009-11-03 Thread P.J. Eby
At 10:49 PM 11/3/2009 +0100, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Telling them to use the tracker is, IMO, depriving them of their right to explain their evaluation of the package; a bug tracker is not an adequate means for that. No, but their personal blog(s) are a wonderfully available and appropriate

Re: [Catalog-sig] Package comments

2009-11-03 Thread John Gabriele
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Jannis Leidel wrote: Am 27.10.2009 um 21:32 schrieb Martin v. Löwis: Some package maintainers are unhappy with the recent addition of a rating-and-comment facility in PyPI; they don't want to see user comments on

Re: [Catalog-sig] Package comments

2009-11-03 Thread Martin v. Löwis
-1 That would defeat the purpose of being able to channel feedback to an alternative location, e.g. the dedicated issue trackers for my packages. Please understand that the purpose of the commenting system is *not* to report bugs, but to let users voice their genuine opinion about the package.

Re: [Catalog-sig] Package comments

2009-11-03 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Why not create a separate site with ratings and comments, along the lines of Jacob's cheeserater.com (now defunct) or Plone's software center? So it would all be fine, if I only rendered the comments on ratepypi.org, instead of pypi.python.org? Would it still be ok if a link from

Re: [Catalog-sig] Package comments

2009-11-03 Thread James Bennett
I think there are issues with both ratings and comments, and that at the very least the decision to enable/disable them should be left to the package's administrator. First up, ratings and comments in general: Ratings face the well-documented issue of clustering -- the YouTube data is one

Re: [Catalog-sig] Package comments

2009-11-02 Thread Chris Withers
Martin v. Löwis wrote: Some package maintainers are unhappy with the recent addition of a rating-and-comment facility in PyPI; they don't want to see user comments on their package page (the rating itself is not being challenged, AFAIU). As it is difficult to get the community opinion on this