Re: [Catalog-sig] Troubled by changes to PyPI usage agreement

2009-12-08 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au writes: The new wording is one that I can't agree to: = […] + liContent is restricted to Python packages and related information only./li + liAny content uploaded to PyPI is provided on a non-confidential basis./li +

Re: [Catalog-sig] Troubled by changes to PyPI usage agreement

2009-12-08 Thread Robert Kern
On 2009-12-08 16:04 PM, Ben Finney wrote: VanLv...@python.org writes: The irrevocability is there to protect the PSF. It is so that no one can claim later that they got mad at the PSF and revoked the PSF's ability to redistribute something that they previously uploaded. I think the best

Re: [Catalog-sig] Troubled by changes to PyPI usage agreement

2009-12-08 Thread Ben Finney
Robert Kern robert.k...@gmail.com writes: On 2009-12-08 16:04 PM, Ben Finney wrote: I think the best way to ensure this is to constrain PyPI users to only upload free-software works. […] Who determines the freeness of the software? The PSF needs to determine that, since they're the ones

Re: [Catalog-sig] Troubled by changes to PyPI usage agreement

2009-12-08 Thread Terry Reedy
Ben Finney wrote: Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de writes: Specifically what rights are asserted that you are not willing to grant? Start with all the privilege that the PSF's Python license does not grant to Python users. For instance: modify before redistributing without notice. If

Re: [Catalog-sig] Troubled by changes to PyPI usage agreement

2009-12-08 Thread Robert Kern
On 2009-12-08 17:33 , Ben Finney wrote: Robert Kernrobert.k...@gmail.com writes: On 2009-12-08 16:04 PM, Ben Finney wrote: I think the best way to ensure this is to constrain PyPI users to only upload free-software works. […] Who determines the freeness of the software? The PSF needs

Re: [Catalog-sig] Troubled by changes to PyPI usage agreement

2009-12-08 Thread Robert Kern
On 2009-12-08 20:22 , Terry Reedy wrote: Ben Finney wrote: Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de writes: Specifically what rights are asserted that you are not willing to grant? Start with all the privilege that the PSF's Python license does not grant to Python users. For instance: modify

Re: [Catalog-sig] Troubled by changes to PyPI usage agreement

2009-12-08 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Who audits them now, to ensure that the works don't have license terms that prohibit some action that the PSF takes? That's exactly the point of the agreement: we will *not* audit any content uploaded, simply because we don't have the time to do so. Instead, the PyPI users must permit the PSF

Re: [Catalog-sig] Troubled by changes to PyPI usage agreement

2009-12-08 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Terry Reedy wrote: Ben Finney wrote: Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de writes: Specifically what rights are asserted that you are not willing to grant? Start with all the privilege that the PSF's Python license does not grant to Python users. For instance: modify before redistributing

Re: [Catalog-sig] Troubled by changes to PyPI usage agreement

2009-12-08 Thread Martin v. Löwis
No one. The usage agreement now gives the PSF the permission to perform PyPI's function without needing to be concerned about the license terms at all. That's the entire point of having the usage agreement. The license of the code is irrelevant given that secondary agreement. If the uploader

Re: [Catalog-sig] Troubled by changes to PyPI usage agreement

2009-12-06 Thread Laura Creighton
I think it would be better to use the language from the EUPL see: http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/servlets/Doc?id=31979 In particular, I think that it is much better to say something like: In the countries where moral rights apply, the Licensor waives his right to exercise his moral right to

Re: [Catalog-sig] Troubled by changes to PyPI usage agreement

2009-12-05 Thread Ben Finney
Doug Hellmann doug.hellm...@gmail.com writes: We have to grant the PSF the rights to distribute the files if we're uploading them to be hosted on PyPI. Since the works are free software (IIUC, non-free works are not allowed to be uploaded to PyPI), then the PSF *has* rights to distribute the

[Catalog-sig] Troubled by changes to PyPI usage agreement

2009-12-04 Thread Ben Finney
Howdy all, [I'm asking for PSF feedback on this PyPI issue, hence the crosspost.] In the Subversion repository for PyPI, this revision appeared: = $ bzr info . Repository checkout (format: 2a) Location: repository checkout root: . checkout of branch:

Re: [Catalog-sig] Troubled by changes to PyPI usage agreement

2009-12-04 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Ben Finney wrote: Howdy all, The new wording is one that I can't agree to: = […] + liContent is restricted to Python packages and related information only./li + liAny content uploaded to PyPI is provided on a non-confidential basis./li + liThe

Re: [Catalog-sig] Troubled by changes to PyPI usage agreement

2009-12-04 Thread Terry Reedy
Ben Finney wrote: Howdy all, + liThe PSF is free to use or disseminate any content that I upload on an + unrestricted basis for any purpose. I presume this is the first thing that bothers Ben. The PYTHON SOFTWARE FOUNDATION LICENSE VERSION 2, which I just checked