Re: [Catalog-sig] V2 pre-PEP: transitioning to release file hosting on PYPI

2013-03-14 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 1:23 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: On 13.03.2013 07:28, Nick Coghlan wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:59 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: I think we should establish a versioned API like that for PyPI to make progress easier. All major web APIs use

Re: [Catalog-sig] V2 pre-PEP: transitioning to release file hosting on PYPI

2013-03-14 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 1:23 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: On 13.03.2013 07:28, Nick Coghlan wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:59 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: I think we should establish a versioned

Re: [Catalog-sig] V2 pre-PEP: transitioning to release file hosting on PYPI

2013-03-13 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:59 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: I think we should establish a versioned API like that for PyPI to make progress easier. All major web APIs use versioning for this reason. Why set up versioning for something we want to phase out? There will never be a

Re: [Catalog-sig] V2 pre-PEP: transitioning to release file hosting on PYPI

2013-03-13 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 13.03.2013 07:28, Nick Coghlan wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:59 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: I think we should establish a versioned API like that for PyPI to make progress easier. All major web APIs use versioning for this reason. Why set up versioning for something we

[Catalog-sig] V2 pre-PEP: transitioning to release file hosting on PYPI

2013-03-12 Thread holger krekel
Hi all, below is the new PEP pre-submit version (V2) which incorporates the latest suggestions and aims at a rapidly deployable solution. Thanks in particular to Philip, Donald and Marc-Andre. I also added a few notes on how installers should behave with respect to non-PYPI crawling. I think

Re: [Catalog-sig] V2 pre-PEP: transitioning to release file hosting on PYPI

2013-03-12 Thread Nick Coghlan
That looks pretty good to me. My only comment is that qualifiers like new don't age well in an API. The explicit nocrawlhomepage and nocrawldownload might be a better choice. Cheers, Nick. ___ Catalog-SIG mailing list Catalog-SIG@python.org

Re: [Catalog-sig] V2 pre-PEP: transitioning to release file hosting on PYPI

2013-03-12 Thread PJ Eby
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 7:38 AM, holger krekel hol...@merlinux.eu wrote: In addition, maintainers of installation tools are asked to release two updates. The first one shall provide clear warnings if external crawling needs to happen, A clarification here: needs to happen is not

Re: [Catalog-sig] V2 pre-PEP: transitioning to release file hosting on PYPI

2013-03-12 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 12.03.2013 12:38, holger krekel wrote: Hi all, below is the new PEP pre-submit version (V2) which incorporates the latest suggestions and aims at a rapidly deployable solution. Thanks in particular to Philip, Donald and Marc-Andre. I also added a few notes on how installers should

Re: [Catalog-sig] V2 pre-PEP: transitioning to release file hosting on PYPI

2013-03-12 Thread holger krekel
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 01:19 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: That looks pretty good to me. My only comment is that qualifiers like new don't age well in an API. The explicit nocrawlhomepage and nocrawldownload might be a better choice. Right, we might also consider dropping rel-attributing given

Re: [Catalog-sig] V2 pre-PEP: transitioning to release file hosting on PYPI

2013-03-12 Thread holger krekel
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 11:53 -0400, PJ Eby wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 7:38 AM, holger krekel hol...@merlinux.eu wrote: In addition, maintainers of installation tools are asked to release two updates. The first one shall provide clear warnings if external crawling needs to happen, A

Re: [Catalog-sig] V2 pre-PEP: transitioning to release file hosting on PYPI

2013-03-12 Thread Carl Meyer
Hi Holger, I am confused about the discrepancy between the title of this pre-PEP (transition to release file hosting on PyPI) and the contents of the PEP, which describe a transition to not crawling _HTML pages_ on external sites looking for distribution download links. These are not the same

Re: [Catalog-sig] V2 pre-PEP: transitioning to release file hosting on PYPI

2013-03-12 Thread holger krekel
Hi Marc-Andre, all, On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 17:06 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 12.03.2013 12:38, holger krekel wrote: Hi all, below is the new PEP pre-submit version (V2) which incorporates the latest suggestions and aims at a rapidly deployable solution. Thanks in particular to

Re: [Catalog-sig] V2 pre-PEP: transitioning to release file hosting on PYPI

2013-03-12 Thread holger krekel
Hi Carl, On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:48 -0600, Carl Meyer wrote: Hi Holger, I am confused about the discrepancy between the title of this pre-PEP (transition to release file hosting on PyPI) and the contents of the PEP, which describe a transition to not crawling _HTML pages_ on external

Re: [Catalog-sig] V2 pre-PEP: transitioning to release file hosting on PYPI

2013-03-12 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Just a quick note (more later, if time permits)... On 12.03.2013 18:05, holger krekel wrote: Hi Marc-Andre, all, - Prepare PYPI implementation to allow a per-project hosting mode, effectively enabling or disabling external crawling. When enabled nothing changes from the current

Re: [Catalog-sig] V2 pre-PEP: transitioning to release file hosting on PYPI

2013-03-12 Thread holger krekel
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 19:07 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: Just a quick note (more later, if time permits)... On 12.03.2013 18:05, holger krekel wrote: Hi Marc-Andre, all, - Prepare PYPI implementation to allow a per-project hosting mode, effectively enabling or disabling external

Re: [Catalog-sig] V2 pre-PEP: transitioning to release file hosting on PYPI

2013-03-12 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 12.03.2013 20:17, holger krekel wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 19:07 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: Just a quick note (more later, if time permits)... On 12.03.2013 18:05, holger krekel wrote: Hi Marc-Andre, all, - Prepare PYPI implementation to allow a per-project hosting mode,

Re: [Catalog-sig] V2 pre-PEP: transitioning to release file hosting on PYPI

2013-03-12 Thread PJ Eby
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:07 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: Just a quick note (more later, if time permits)... On 12.03.2013 18:05, holger krekel wrote: Hi Marc-Andre, all, - Prepare PYPI implementation to allow a per-project hosting mode, effectively enabling or disabling

Re: [Catalog-sig] V2 pre-PEP: transitioning to release file hosting on PYPI

2013-03-12 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 12.03.2013 20:46, PJ Eby wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:07 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: Just a quick note (more later, if time permits)... On 12.03.2013 18:05, holger krekel wrote: Hi Marc-Andre, all, - Prepare PYPI implementation to allow a per-project hosting mode,