Re: [Catalog-sig] V3 PEP-draft for transitioning to pypi-hosting of release files

2013-03-15 Thread Marcus Smith
In addition, maintainers of installation tools are asked to release two updates. The first one shall provide clear warnings [...] The second update for installation tools should change the default mode to allow only installation of package files hosted at the index domain, sounds good to

Re: [Catalog-sig] V3 PEP-draft for transitioning to pypi-hosting of release files

2013-03-15 Thread Carl Meyer
Hi Marcus, On 03/15/2013 01:32 AM, Marcus Smith wrote: In addition, maintainers of installation tools are asked to release two updates. The first one shall provide clear warnings [...] The second update for installation tools should change the default mode to allow only

Re: [Catalog-sig] V3 PEP-draft for transitioning to pypi-hosting of release files

2013-03-14 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Carl Meyer c...@oddbird.net wrote: There is no instead of. There are parallel proposals (see the TUF thread) to improve the security of the ecosystem, and those proposals are not mutually exclusive with this one. If you search the PEP text, note that you don't

Re: [Catalog-sig] V3 PEP-draft for transitioning to pypi-hosting of release files

2013-03-14 Thread holger krekel
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 23:43 -0700, Nick Coghlan wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Carl Meyer c...@oddbird.net wrote: There is no instead of. There are parallel proposals (see the TUF thread) to improve the security of the ecosystem, and those proposals are not mutually exclusive

Re: [Catalog-sig] V3 PEP-draft for transitioning to pypi-hosting of release files

2013-03-14 Thread Trishank Karthik Kuppusamy
On 3/14/13 4:58 AM, holger krekel wrote: I haven't followed the latest TUF discussions and related docs in depths yet but if those developments will regard simple/ as a deprecated interface, i think this PEP here should maybe not introduce simple/-with-externals as it will just make the

Re: [Catalog-sig] V3 PEP-draft for transitioning to pypi-hosting of release files

2013-03-14 Thread Justin Cappos
Maybe a different way to say it is that the current TUF integration doc assumes that it is desirable to make minimal change to PyPI's layout and pip, easy_install, etc. while adding security. We made several choices based upon this assumption, including using and retaining the /simple dir. If

Re: [Catalog-sig] V3 PEP-draft for transitioning to pypi-hosting of release files

2013-03-14 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Justin Cappos jcap...@poly.edu wrote: Maybe a different way to say it is that the current TUF integration doc assumes that it is desirable to make minimal change to PyPI's layout and pip, easy_install, etc. while adding security. We made several choices based

Re: [Catalog-sig] V3 PEP-draft for transitioning to pypi-hosting of release files

2013-03-13 Thread PJ Eby
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:21 AM, holger krekel hol...@merlinux.eu wrote: Hi all, after some more discussions and hours spend by Carl Meyer (who is now co-authoring the PEP) and me, here is a new V3 pre-submit draft. It is now more ambitious than the previous draft as should be obvious from

Re: [Catalog-sig] V3 PEP-draft for transitioning to pypi-hosting of release files

2013-03-13 Thread Donald Stufft
On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:26 AM, PJ Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:21 AM, holger krekel hol...@merlinux.eu wrote: Hi all, after some more discussions and hours spend by Carl Meyer (who is now co-authoring the PEP) and me, here is a new V3 pre-submit draft. It is

Re: [Catalog-sig] V3 PEP-draft for transitioning to pypi-hosting of release files

2013-03-13 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 13.03.2013 12:21, holger krekel wrote: Hi all, after some more discussions and hours spend by Carl Meyer (who is now co-authoring the PEP) and me, here is a new V3 pre-submit draft. It is now more ambitious than the previous draft as should be obvious from the modified abstract (and

Re: [Catalog-sig] V3 PEP-draft for transitioning to pypi-hosting of release files

2013-03-13 Thread Donald Stufft
On Mar 13, 2013, at 2:57 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: On 13.03.2013 12:21, holger krekel wrote: Hi all, after some more discussions and hours spend by Carl Meyer (who is now co-authoring the PEP) and me, here is a new V3 pre-submit draft. It is now more ambitious than the

Re: [Catalog-sig] V3 PEP-draft for transitioning to pypi-hosting of release files

2013-03-13 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 13.03.2013 20:08, Donald Stufft wrote: On Mar 13, 2013, at 2:57 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: On 13.03.2013 12:21, holger krekel wrote: [V3 proposal] I must say, don't like this change in motivation compared to V1 and V2. The original of the discussion was to make PyPI

Re: [Catalog-sig] V3 PEP-draft for transitioning to pypi-hosting of release files

2013-03-13 Thread Daniel Holth
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: On 13.03.2013 20:08, Donald Stufft wrote: On Mar 13, 2013, at 2:57 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: On 13.03.2013 12:21, holger krekel wrote: [V3 proposal] I must say, don't like this change in motivation

Re: [Catalog-sig] V3 PEP-draft for transitioning to pypi-hosting of release files

2013-03-13 Thread Donald Stufft
On Mar 13, 2013, at 3:33 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: On 13.03.2013 20:08, Donald Stufft wrote: On Mar 13, 2013, at 2:57 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: On 13.03.2013 12:21, holger krekel wrote: [V3 proposal] I must say, don't like this change in motivation

Re: [Catalog-sig] V3 PEP-draft for transitioning to pypi-hosting of release files

2013-03-13 Thread Carl Meyer
On 03/13/2013 01:33 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: The proposal marks all external links as evil, I'm sorry the text of the PEP gave you that impression. I can see how you'd have gotten it from some of the comments here on catalog-sig, but we went to some lengths to avoid it in the PEP text, and plan