Re: [cayugabirds-l] Bird Sound ID apps

[Peter Saracino]

So far I think Merlin is more user-friendly. BirdNet seems a bit more
sensitive with respect to distant "noises"...
If I could only have one it'd be Merlin.
Just my 2 cents.
Pete Sar

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021, 7:00 PM Barbara B. Eden  wrote:

> All,
> Now that we have two apps from the Lab  of O for bird song identification,
> Merlin and BirdNet I am wondering if there is a preference from you expert
> Birding folks
>
> thanks in advance
> Barbara Eden
>
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[cayugabirds-l] Bird Sound ID apps

[Barbara B. Eden]

All,
Now that we have two apps from the Lab  of O for bird song identification, 
Merlin and BirdNet I am wondering if there is a preference from you expert 
Birding folks

thanks in advance
Barbara Eden

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[cayugabirds-l] More on haying and Bobolinks

[Jody Enck]

Audubon just posted this story today.  Very relevant to our work here.


https://www.audubon.org/magazine/summer-2021/how-farmers-new-england-make-hay-bobolinks?ms=digital-eng-email-ea-newsletter-engagement_20210707_audubon-magazine_summer-2021-issue_source=ea_medium=email_campaign=engagement_20210707_audubon-magazine_content=summer-2021-issue=98f2e3a1-40df-eb11-a7ad-501ac57b8fa7=ba586294-47df-eb11-a7ad-501ac57b8fa7=3958925



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Founder of the Sister Bird Club Network
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[cayugabirds-l] worm eating warblers at Lindsay Parsons

[Tobias Dean]

After hiking up to the Pinnacles above the LP Preserve Monday we were a bit
shocked by the more or less complete defoliation by caterpillars on the red
oaks and the other oak trees whose name I forgot on the steep slope.
 It looked like March up there and moths and pupae were everywhere on
the bark.
  There was very little bird activity in the immediate area (the
understory temperature  was much higher than normal)and I wondered if this
would induce the worm eaters to go elsewhere.
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Ithaca NY 14850
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Possible Worm-eating Warblers in Lansing NY

[Jay McGowan]

Hi Linda,
Yes, clicking that will give us a record of it, but it won't be a lot to go
on otherwise. One thing that will help long-term would be to make a
recording of the bird, then upload it to an eBird checklist (doing some
light editing following our best practices

whenever possible). This won't have any immediate effect on the model of
course, but longer term it will provide us with more diverse examples to
train on.

Jay

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:34 AM Linda Orkin  wrote:

> Jay I wonder if you can say what we should do if we know song ID is
> incorrect. I got worm eating warbler for chipping sparrow down by vas’s
> park rink today and I clicked no match. Is that the best way to tri and
> alert Merlin to an incorrect choice?
>
> Linda Orkin
>
> On Jul 6, 2021, at 10:32 AM, Jay McGowan  wrote:
>
> 
> This is a good reminder that the new Sound ID function in Merlin is a
> great way to cue into new sounds and learn to ID birds, but should never be
> taken as the final word on an identification. In this case, trilling
> species like Worm-eating Warbler, Chipping Sparrow, Dark-eyed Junco, and
> even Pine Warbler can be challenging for even experienced birders to
> identify with confidence, and the sound ID model has trouble being sure as
> well. Juncos in particular pose a challenge, with their extreme variation
> between individuals. So certainly, if you're in the right habitat, look a
> little harder for a bird flagged as a possible Worm-eating, but in the
> cases you describe, these were almost certainly Chipping Sparrows.
>
> P.S. I'd be happy to take a listen to a recording if you want to send it
> privately.
>
> Jay
>
> On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 6:38 PM Barbara Bauer Sadovnic 
> wrote:
>
>> The same thing happened to me today, also while eating breakfast on my
>> porch, in Enfield!  I also tried BirdNET, and got the same result, although
>> that might have been a “wild guess.” When I went looking for it I thought I
>> saw a chipping sparrow, but couldn’t get a good look.
>>
>> Later in the day the bird (I think the same bird) was closer, and was
>> identified as a chipping sparrow. But I couldn’t find it.
>>
>> Just now I heard it again, and again Merlin thought “worm-eating
>> warbler.”  When I got closer Merlin changed his mind to chipping sparrow,
>> and when I finally got a good look, I did see chipping sparrow, singing.
>>
>> I am really enjoying the new Merlin.
>>
>> On Jul 4, 2021, at 1:15 PM, KitKat PonyBird 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> While enjoying breakfast on my back porch today, I heard an
>> unfamiliar bird.  The new Sound ID on the Merlin app came up with
>> Worm-eating Warbler.
>>
>> Merlin says this bird is rare for this area.  I heard at least three of
>> the same song from different locations at nearly the same time.  Still
>> hearing them around.
>>
>> I did a couple of recordings, but don't know (yet) how to share them.
>> It's definitely different from the chipping sparrows I usually hear.
>>
>> Wish I'd been able to get a visual.
>>
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Possible Worm-eating Warblers in Lansing NY

[Linda Orkin]

Jay I wonder if you can say what we should do if we know song ID is incorrect. 
I got worm eating warbler for chipping sparrow down by vas’s park rink today 
and I clicked no match. Is that the best way to tri and alert Merlin to an 
incorrect choice?

Linda Orkin

> On Jul 6, 2021, at 10:32 AM, Jay McGowan  wrote:
> 
> 
> This is a good reminder that the new Sound ID function in Merlin is a great 
> way to cue into new sounds and learn to ID birds, but should never be taken 
> as the final word on an identification. In this case, trilling species like 
> Worm-eating Warbler, Chipping Sparrow, Dark-eyed Junco, and even Pine Warbler 
> can be challenging for even experienced birders to identify with confidence, 
> and the sound ID model has trouble being sure as well. Juncos in particular 
> pose a challenge, with their extreme variation between individuals. So 
> certainly, if you're in the right habitat, look a little harder for a bird 
> flagged as a possible Worm-eating, but in the cases you describe, these were 
> almost certainly Chipping Sparrows.
> 
> P.S. I'd be happy to take a listen to a recording if you want to send it 
> privately.
> 
> Jay
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 6:38 PM Barbara Bauer Sadovnic  
>> wrote:
>> The same thing happened to me today, also while eating breakfast on my 
>> porch, in Enfield!  I also tried BirdNET, and got the same result, although 
>> that might have been a “wild guess.” When I went looking for it I thought I 
>> saw a chipping sparrow, but couldn’t get a good look.
>> 
>> Later in the day the bird (I think the same bird) was closer, and was 
>> identified as a chipping sparrow. But I couldn’t find it.
>> 
>> Just now I heard it again, and again Merlin thought “worm-eating warbler.”  
>> When I got closer Merlin changed his mind to chipping sparrow, and when I 
>> finally got a good look, I did see chipping sparrow, singing.
>> 
>> I am really enjoying the new Merlin.
>> 
 On Jul 4, 2021, at 1:15 PM, KitKat PonyBird  
 wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> While enjoying breakfast on my back porch today, I heard an unfamiliar 
>>> bird.  The new Sound ID on the Merlin app came up with Worm-eating Warbler.
>>> 
>>> Merlin says this bird is rare for this area.  I heard at least three of the 
>>> same song from different locations at nearly the same time.  Still hearing 
>>> them around.
>>> 
>>> I did a couple of recordings, but don't know (yet) how to share them.  It's 
>>> definitely different from the chipping sparrows I usually hear.
>>> 
>>> Wish I'd been able to get a visual.
>>> 
>>> Happy Birding
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