[cayugabirds-l] Cayuga Bird Club February 2024 meeting

[Colleen Richards]

The February meeting of the Cayuga Bird Club will be a Zoom meeting on Monday, 
Feb. 12 at 7:30 p.m. Register (for free) at http://tinyurl.com/cbc-2024-02
We hope you will join us for the presentation,  "Bird-window collisions:  a 
clear and present danger".  Luke DeGroote, Carnegie Museum of Natural History, 
will be our speaker.
Smack! That's the sound of a bird hitting a window-and you've probably heard it 
often.Collisions with windows cause millions of bird fatalities every year. 
Luke DeGroote will discuss how Carnegie Museum of Natural History is addressing 
the issue by elucidating where collisions are more likely to occur, testing 
collision reducing markers at Powdermill Nature Reserve's experimental flight 
tunnel, tracking post-collision survival using new technologies, and reducing 
collisions through community engagement.About the Speaker: Luke DeGroote 
received his MSc. in Natural Resources from Ohio State and B.S. in Wildlife 
Ecology from the University of Wisconsin-Madison.  Since 2012, DeGroote has 
overseen Carnegie Museum of Natural History's avian research programs including 
the operation of Powdermill's Avian Research Center (PARC) where he studies 
songbird migration, avian disease, breeding phenology, and avian perception of 
glass.  DeGroote aims to promote avian conservation through research, 
partnerships, and outreach. Hope many of you will be onscreen with us. Colleen 
RichardsCorresponding SecretaryCayuga Bird Club  Cayuga Bird Club meetings are 
held on the second Monday of each month, September through June, and are free 
and open to the public.
Zoom webinar tips can be found here:CBC Zoom webinar tips.pdf
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] our birds are picky, only Sunflower seeds for them

[AB Clark]

I have no idea whether this thought applies to Nyger and Sunflower, or for
that matter, mixes with one or more kinds of millet and some safflower
seed, but in my days with a research flock of budgerigars, it may be the
mix that is the best diet.  It transpires that canary seed and millet seed
have very different and somewhat complimentary nutritional profiles.  For
their seed portion of the diet, it was supposed to be much better for
budgies to eat both, and indeed they did (except when fearful, when they
switched to all millet, but that is another story).

But to relate it to what everyone sees at their feeders, budgies do NOT eat
equal amounts of the two seeds which do require different processing
techniques.  If one followed what they were eating seed by seed vs spending
time eating vs were interested in eating after only one was available for a
while, one might come up with different impressions on their preferences.

So I wonder--even if goldfinches are concentrating on sunflower chips
(speedy and oily and big return on time), do they also occasionally eat
nyger as a more complete diet?  I don't know that I have ever seen a study
looking at preferences before or after having only one choice--and that
might be when one would notice an unusual or opposite preference for a
time. As observers, we might interpret visits to another feeder as
"avoiding more dominant species", when in fact the bird is making its quick
diet-completing stop!

Anne

On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 7:26 PM Fred Rimmel  wrote:

> Back in the 80’s  I participated in a bird feed and feeder study conducted
> for USFW out of Patuxent Wildlife Research Center.  One of the results was
> that the “favorite” food of goldfinches was hulled sunflower kernels.
> That’s not to say they won’t eat other seeds just that when given options
> and when they aren’t out competed at the feeding station by other species
> they prefer hulled sunflower.  This was just one of the results of the
> study that looked at numerous seed types and presentation methods.  We feed
> just hulled sunflower in our feeders and in recent weeks regularly have 30
> to 75 or more goldfinches at a time.  Also, had a few pine siskin for the
> first time today.
> Fred
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2024, at 7:02 PM, Geo Kloppel  wrote:
>
> Black oil sunflower seed in the big hopper, sure, but I offer Nyjer all by
> itself in a dedicated finch feeder, and the Goldfinches are very happy with
> that. I buy 5# bags at Agway; Lizzie Mae’s Birdseed and Dry Goods Company.
> The bags are zip-lock, but I transfer the Nyjer to 1-qt plastic jugs with
> screw caps; they stand up in the back of the fridge or freezer, taking up
> very little space, and they make topping-up the feeder very easy and neat.
>
> -Geo
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2024, at 5:22 PM, Nigel Dyson-Hudson 
> wrote:
>
> Some folks on CAYUGABIRDS-L fill their feeders with different seeds -
> Sunflower, Niger, etc. We have tried this in the past with Sunflower and
> Niger seed feeds. Even the Goldfinches barely touched our Niger seed. It
> was "fresh" from Agway, stored in the fridge until put out. Forget about
> the mixes with Milo and Corn.
> So now we just put out Sunflower seed, spread some seed on trays on the
> ground. Last winter we had a Mourning Dove that figured out how to land on
> our rectangular metal feeder. Which was quite entertaining to watch. Since
> this feeder has a squirrel baffle on the post, we have used a stick to fix
> the movable perch in place.
> Nigel
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Pine Siskins in Brooktondale

[bob mcguire]

This is pure speculation - but we had a flock of 40 +/- PISK on January 1st 
(Christmas count) foraging on white pine cones in the small grove at the corner 
of Hanshaw and Etna Roads. Same flock???

Bob

> On Jan 31, 2024, at 7:14 PM, Dave Nutter  wrote:
> 
> I have yet to see Pine Siskins at my feeders, although I can’t swear they 
> aren’t among the birds who empty them daily when I’m not looking, and I’m 
> impressed by how well the winter-plumaged Goldfinches blend in with the dead 
> Goldenrod. 
> 
> So I followed up on yesterday’s eBird report (below) by Caleb Centanni at 
> Comstock Knoll, east of Beebe Lake on Cornell Campus. Although the Pine 
> Siskins were not evident in the particular tree which Caleb described, I saw 
> about the same number as he did feeding on cones in the tops of other tall 
> White Pines immediately to the west of the Nevin Welcome Center and elsewhere 
> around the short paved loop of former road. This is the first time I have 
> actually associated this species with Pines. Previously I had thought they 
> deserved a name change. 
> 
> If you want to get closer to their elevation you can climb a few stairs on 
> gravel paths to the summit of Comstock Knoll. For better lighting in case 
> it’s sunny you may be able to scope them from the paid parking lot near the 
> west end of Arboretum Rd. I walked in from the free parking lot for the 
> Wildflower Garden off of Forest Home Drive just south of the upstream 
> one-lane bridge over Fall Creek near where Caldwell Rd ends. The gravel paths 
> from there were free of snow and the wooden stairs up out of the flood plain 
> were nearly free of snow and quite passable.
> 
>> Pine Siskin (Spinus pinus) (40)
>> - Reported Jan 30, 2024 12:25 by Caleb Centanni
>> - Cornell Botanic Gardens--Nevin Welcome Center and Young Flower Garden, 
>> Tompkins, New York
>> - Map: 
>> http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8=p=13=42.44955,-76.472208=42.44955,-76.472208
>>  
>> 
>> - Checklist: https://ebird.org/checklist/S160221270 
>> 
>> - Comments: "seen well foraging actively ongoing for over half an hour in 
>> white pine cones of large white pine tree at least (prob more) 3 ft DBH. 
>> “Easily 40 siskins” in it foraging ongoing, voraciously. (42.4500,-76.4720)— 
>> 25 fly off 12:58p to land atop deciduous tree."
> 
> - - Dave Nutter
> 
> On Jan 31, 2024, at 10:42 AM, Marty Schlabach  > wrote:
> 
>> My niger seed feeders have been refilled.  Please encourage several to head 
>> our way.
>> --Marty
>> Interlaken, NY
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: bounce-128003013-3494...@list.cornell.edu 
>>  
>> > > On Behalf Of Sandy 
>> Podulka
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 9:36 AM
>> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L > >
>> Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Pine Siskins in Brooktondale
>> 
>> Following in Larry Hymes' footsteps, we have 11 Pine Siskins with the 
>> Goldfinches at our feeders in Brooktondale this morning!
>> 
>> I'm excited--haven't seen them all winter.
>> 
>> Sandy Podulka
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] our birds are picky, only Sunflower seeds for them

[Fred Rimmel]

Back in the 80’s  I participated in a bird feed and feeder study conducted for 
USFW out of Patuxent Wildlife Research Center.  One of the results was that the 
“favorite” food of goldfinches was hulled sunflower kernels. That’s not to say 
they won’t eat other seeds just that when given options and when they aren’t 
out competed at the feeding station by other species they prefer hulled 
sunflower.  This was just one of the results of the study that looked at 
numerous seed types and presentation methods.  We feed just hulled sunflower in 
our feeders and in recent weeks regularly have 30 to 75 or more goldfinches at 
a time.  Also, had a few pine siskin for the first time today.  
Fred


> On Jan 31, 2024, at 7:02 PM, Geo Kloppel  wrote:
> 
> Black oil sunflower seed in the big hopper, sure, but I offer Nyjer all by 
> itself in a dedicated finch feeder, and the Goldfinches are very happy with 
> that. I buy 5# bags at Agway; Lizzie Mae’s Birdseed and Dry Goods Company. 
> The bags are zip-lock, but I transfer the Nyjer to 1-qt plastic jugs with 
> screw caps; they stand up in the back of the fridge or freezer, taking up 
> very little space, and they make topping-up the feeder very easy and neat.
> 
> -Geo
> 
> 
>> On Jan 31, 2024, at 5:22 PM, Nigel Dyson-Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Some folks on CAYUGABIRDS-L fill their feeders with different seeds - 
>> Sunflower, Niger, etc. We have tried this in the past with Sunflower and 
>> Niger seed feeds. Even the Goldfinches barely touched our Niger seed. It was 
>> "fresh" from Agway, stored in the fridge until put out. Forget about the 
>> mixes with Milo and Corn.
>> So now we just put out Sunflower seed, spread some seed on trays on the 
>> ground. Last winter we had a Mourning Dove that figured out how to land on 
>> our rectangular metal feeder. Which was quite entertaining to watch. Since 
>> this feeder has a squirrel baffle on the post, we have used a stick to fix 
>> the movable perch in place.
>> Nigel
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Pine Siskins in Brooktondale

[Dave Nutter]

I have yet to see Pine Siskins at my feeders, although I can’t swear they 
aren’t among the birds who empty them daily when I’m not looking, and I’m 
impressed by how well the winter-plumaged Goldfinches blend in with the dead 
Goldenrod. 

So I followed up on yesterday’s eBird report (below) by Caleb Centanni at 
Comstock Knoll, east of Beebe Lake on Cornell Campus. Although the Pine Siskins 
were not evident in the particular tree which Caleb described, I saw about the 
same number as he did feeding on cones in the tops of other tall White Pines 
immediately to the west of the Nevin Welcome Center and elsewhere around the 
short paved loop of former road. This is the first time I have actually 
associated this species with Pines. Previously I had thought they deserved a 
name change. 

If you want to get closer to their elevation you can climb a few stairs on 
gravel paths to the summit of Comstock Knoll. For better lighting in case it’s 
sunny you may be able to scope them from the paid parking lot near the west end 
of Arboretum Rd. I walked in from the free parking lot for the Wildflower 
Garden off of Forest Home Drive just south of the upstream one-lane bridge over 
Fall Creek near where Caldwell Rd ends. The gravel paths from there were free 
of snow and the wooden stairs up out of the flood plain were nearly free of 
snow and quite passable.

> Pine Siskin (Spinus pinus) (40)
> - Reported Jan 30, 2024 12:25 by Caleb Centanni
> - Cornell Botanic Gardens--Nevin Welcome Center and Young Flower Garden, 
> Tompkins, New York
> - Map: 
> http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8=p=13=42.44955,-76.472208=42.44955,-76.472208
> - Checklist: https://ebird.org/checklist/S160221270
> - Comments: "seen well foraging actively ongoing for over half an hour in 
> white pine cones of large white pine tree at least (prob more) 3 ft DBH. 
> “Easily 40 siskins” in it foraging ongoing, voraciously. (42.4500,-76.4720)— 
> 25 fly off 12:58p to land atop deciduous tree."

- - Dave Nutter

> On Jan 31, 2024, at 10:42 AM, Marty Schlabach  wrote:
> 
> My niger seed feeders have been refilled.  Please encourage several to head 
> our way.
> --Marty
> Interlaken, NY
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: bounce-128003013-3494...@list.cornell.edu 
>  On Behalf Of Sandy Podulka
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 9:36 AM
> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
> Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Pine Siskins in Brooktondale
> 
> Following in Larry Hymes' footsteps, we have 11 Pine Siskins with the 
> Goldfinches at our feeders in Brooktondale this morning!
> 
> I'm excited--haven't seen them all winter.
> 
> Sandy Podulka
> 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] our birds are picky, only Sunflower seeds for them

[Geo Kloppel]

Black oil sunflower seed in the big hopper, sure, but I offer Nyjer all by 
itself in a dedicated finch feeder, and the Goldfinches are very happy with 
that. I buy 5# bags at Agway; Lizzie Mae’s Birdseed and Dry Goods Company. The 
bags are zip-lock, but I transfer the Nyjer to 1-qt plastic jugs with screw 
caps; they stand up in the back of the fridge or freezer, taking up very little 
space, and they make topping-up the feeder very easy and neat.

-Geo


> On Jan 31, 2024, at 5:22 PM, Nigel Dyson-Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Some folks on CAYUGABIRDS-L fill their feeders with different seeds - 
> Sunflower, Niger, etc. We have tried this in the past with Sunflower and 
> Niger seed feeds. Even the Goldfinches barely touched our Niger seed. It was 
> "fresh" from Agway, stored in the fridge until put out. Forget about the 
> mixes with Milo and Corn.
> So now we just put out Sunflower seed, spread some seed on trays on the 
> ground. Last winter we had a Mourning Dove that figured out how to land on 
> our rectangular metal feeder. Which was quite entertaining to watch. Since 
> this feeder has a squirrel baffle on the post, we have used a stick to fix 
> the movable perch in place.
> Nigel
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[cayugabirds-l] our birds are picky, only Sunflower seeds for them

[Nigel Dyson-Hudson]

Some folks on CAYUGABIRDS-L fill their feeders with different seeds - 
Sunflower, Niger, etc. We have tried this in the past with Sunflower and 
Niger seed feeds. Even the Goldfinches barely touched our Niger seed. It 
was "fresh" from Agway, stored in the fridge until put out. Forget about 
the mixes with Milo and Corn.
So now we just put out Sunflower seed, spread some seed on trays on the 
ground. Last winter we had a Mourning Dove that figured out how to land 
on our rectangular metal feeder. Which was quite entertaining to watch. 
Since this feeder has a squirrel baffle on the post, we have used a 
stick to fix the movable perch in place.

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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Pine Siskins in Brooktondale

[Marty Schlabach]

My niger seed feeders have been refilled.  Please encourage several to head our 
way.
--Marty
Interlaken, NY

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Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 9:36 AM
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Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Pine Siskins in Brooktondale

Following in Larry Hymes' footsteps, we have 11 Pine Siskins with the 
Goldfinches at our feeders in Brooktondale this morning!

I'm excited--haven't seen them all winter.

Sandy Podulka


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[cayugabirds-l] Pine Siskins in Brooktondale

[Sandy Podulka]

Following in Larry Hymes' footsteps, we have 11 Pine Siskins with the 
Goldfinches at our feeders in Brooktondale this morning!


I'm excited--haven't seen them all winter.

Sandy Podulka


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