Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Evelyn Weinstein]

I LOVE feeling good about public agencies for once in a while! They really
heard out letters. Now we need to step up the education part, absolutely.
Thanks for all the energy from everyone!

Evie Weinstein

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 5:16 PM Rachel Hogancamp <
rachelhogancamp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That's fabulous news!!  It's a wonderful comment on our community.
>
> If you want a direct contact for Visit Ithaca, Peggy Coleman is the head
> of that side of the organization.
> Peggy Coleman - pe...@visitithaca.com
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 4:57 PM  wrote:
>
>> Yay!!!  Thank you Tim & Geo for getting this the attention it deserved,
>> and Rachel and others for using their contacts!  Several people have been
>> mentioned as possibly having had some influence on the light show.  The
>> emails I've seen on other list messages are below for anyone who wants to
>> send them thanks for doing a 180 on such short notice.
>>
>> Jennifer Tavares, Chamber of Commerce 
>> 
>> Fred Bonn, Regional Director State Parks 
>> 
>> Josh Teeter, State Parks  
>> 
>> Visit Ithaca - see no email address, but all the usual social media spots
>> are linked to their webpage https://www.visitithaca.com/ if you want to
>> comment that way
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/15/2024 4:29 PM, Tim Gallagher wrote:
>>
>> Here’s some great news. The Taughannock light show has been cancelled.
>> They’re rescheduling it for the fall.
>> [image: new-york-state-parks-recreation-and-historic-preservation-1.jpg]
>>
>> Update: Hike and illumination at Taughannock Falls canceled
>> <https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>
>> mytwintiers.com
>> <https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>
>>
>> <https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 15, 2024, at 1:47 PM, sarah fern 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> My understanding is that all NYS park rangers have degrees in forestry.
>> So I think they should know better about protecting wildlife. (Although I
>> did watch a park ranger carry a mushroom-laden log out of a wildlife
>> preserve and haul it away in his truck.)
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, 1:24 PM Richard Guthrie 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Parks and Recreation - and DEC - are concerned about the resources that
>>> they are charged with protecting - if it is not inconvenient and/or if they
>>> can get some good publicity. Otherwise they will find a way around whatever
>>> the “problem” is. Look at Upland Sandpipers v. solar farms, or Cerulean
>>> Warblers v. parking lot. The enablers have a thesaurus full of workaround
>>> words to justify their schemes.
>>>
>>> On Apr 15, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Deb Grantham  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I’ve sent a message to Visit Ithaca so far.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Deb
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* bounce-128145756-83565...@list.cornell.edu <
>>> bounce-128145756-83565...@list.cornell.edu> *On Behalf Of *Dave Nutter
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 14, 2024 4:20 PM
>>> *To:* Geo Kloppel 
>>> *Cc:* CAYUGABIRDS-L 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I went to the websites for State Parks (NYSOPRHP), Tompkins County
>>> Chamber of Commerce, and Visit Ithaca, used the Contact Us feature of each,
>>> and briefly asked them to please not do a light show in the gorge due to
>>> potential disturbance of the Peregrines and Ravens nesting there.
>>>
>>> - - Dave Nutter
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 14, 2024, at 12:06 PM, Geo Kloppel  wrote:
>>>
>>> Below is the press release for the evening light shows at the great
>>> falls in Taughannock Falls State Park later this week, which have potential
>>> to disturb the Peregrine Falcons and Ravens that are currently on nests
>>> there).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Note that the event is jointly hosted by NYS Parks, Visit Ithaca, and
>>> also the Tompkins Chamber, which is handling online registration for
>>> after-dark hikes up the gorge trail to the lighted falls.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Rachel Hogancamp]

That's fabulous news!!  It's a wonderful comment on our community.

If you want a direct contact for Visit Ithaca, Peggy Coleman is the head of
that side of the organization.
Peggy Coleman - pe...@visitithaca.com



On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 4:57 PM  wrote:

> Yay!!!  Thank you Tim & Geo for getting this the attention it deserved,
> and Rachel and others for using their contacts!  Several people have been
> mentioned as possibly having had some influence on the light show.  The
> emails I've seen on other list messages are below for anyone who wants to
> send them thanks for doing a 180 on such short notice.
>
> Jennifer Tavares, Chamber of Commerce 
> 
> Fred Bonn, Regional Director State Parks 
> 
> Josh Teeter, State Parks  
> 
> Visit Ithaca - see no email address, but all the usual social media spots
> are linked to their webpage https://www.visitithaca.com/ if you want to
> comment that way
>
>
>
> On 4/15/2024 4:29 PM, Tim Gallagher wrote:
>
> Here’s some great news. The Taughannock light show has been cancelled.
> They’re rescheduling it for the fall.
> [image: new-york-state-parks-recreation-and-historic-preservation-1.jpg]
>
> Update: Hike and illumination at Taughannock Falls canceled
> <https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>
> mytwintiers.com
> <https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>
>
> <https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>
>
>
> On Apr 15, 2024, at 1:47 PM, sarah fern 
>  wrote:
>
> 
> My understanding is that all NYS park rangers have degrees in forestry. So
> I think they should know better about protecting wildlife. (Although I did
> watch a park ranger carry a mushroom-laden log out of a wildlife preserve
> and haul it away in his truck.)
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, 1:24 PM Richard Guthrie 
> wrote:
>
>> Parks and Recreation - and DEC - are concerned about the resources that
>> they are charged with protecting - if it is not inconvenient and/or if they
>> can get some good publicity. Otherwise they will find a way around whatever
>> the “problem” is. Look at Upland Sandpipers v. solar farms, or Cerulean
>> Warblers v. parking lot. The enablers have a thesaurus full of workaround
>> words to justify their schemes.
>>
>> On Apr 15, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Deb Grantham  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I’ve sent a message to Visit Ithaca so far.
>>
>>
>>
>> Deb
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* bounce-128145756-83565...@list.cornell.edu <
>> bounce-128145756-83565...@list.cornell.edu> *On Behalf Of *Dave Nutter
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 14, 2024 4:20 PM
>> *To:* Geo Kloppel 
>> *Cc:* CAYUGABIRDS-L 
>> *Subject:* Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?
>>
>>
>>
>> I went to the websites for State Parks (NYSOPRHP), Tompkins County
>> Chamber of Commerce, and Visit Ithaca, used the Contact Us feature of each,
>> and briefly asked them to please not do a light show in the gorge due to
>> potential disturbance of the Peregrines and Ravens nesting there.
>>
>> - - Dave Nutter
>>
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2024, at 12:06 PM, Geo Kloppel  wrote:
>>
>> Below is the press release for the evening light shows at the great falls
>> in Taughannock Falls State Park later this week, which have potential to
>> disturb the Peregrine Falcons and Ravens that are currently on nests there).
>>
>>
>>
>> Note that the event is jointly hosted by NYS Parks, Visit Ithaca, and
>> also the Tompkins Chamber, which is handling online registration for
>> after-dark hikes up the gorge trail to the lighted falls.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Go for a hike and view the lights to celebrate 100 years of NYS Parks at
>> Taughannock Falls
>> <https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>
>>
>> mytwintiers.com
>> <https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Tim Gallagher  wrote:
>>
>> I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls
>> will be brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[tess]

Yay!!!  Thank you Tim & Geo for getting this the attention it deserved, 
and Rachel and others for using their contacts!  Several people have 
been mentioned as possibly having had some influence on the light show.  
The emails I've seen on other list messages are below for anyone who 
wants to send them thanks for doing a 180 on such short notice.

Jennifer Tavares, Chamber of Commerce 
Fred Bonn, Regional Director State Parks 
Josh Teeter, State Parks 
Visit Ithaca - see no email address, but all the usual social media 
spots are linked to their webpage https://www.visitithaca.com/ if you 
want to comment that way



On 4/15/2024 4:29 PM, Tim Gallagher wrote:
> Here’s some great news. The Taughannock light show has been cancelled. 
> They’re rescheduling it for the fall.
> new-york-state-parks-recreation-and-historic-preservation-1.jpg
> Update: Hike and illumination at Taughannock Falls canceled 
> <https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>
> mytwintiers.com 
> <https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>
>
> <https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>
>
>
>> On Apr 15, 2024, at 1:47 PM, sarah fern  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> My understanding is that all NYS park rangers have degrees in 
>> forestry. So I think they should know better about protecting 
>> wildlife. (Although I did watch a park ranger carry a mushroom-laden 
>> log out of a wildlife preserve and haul it away in his truck.)
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, 1:24 PM Richard Guthrie 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Parks and Recreation - and DEC - are concerned about the
>> resources that they are charged with protecting - if it is not
>> inconvenient and/or if they can get some good publicity.
>> Otherwise they will find a way around whatever the “problem” is.
>> Look at Upland Sandpipers v. solar farms, or Cerulean Warblers v.
>> parking lot. The enablers have a thesaurus full of workaround
>> words to justify their schemes.
>>
>>> On Apr 15, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Deb Grantham  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I’ve sent a message to Visit Ithaca so far.
>>>
>>> Deb
>>>
>>>     *From:* bounce-128145756-83565...@list.cornell.edu
>>>  *On Behalf Of *Dave
>>> Nutter
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 14, 2024 4:20 PM
>>> *To:* Geo Kloppel 
>>> *Cc:* CAYUGABIRDS-L 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?
>>>
>>> I went to the websites for State Parks (NYSOPRHP), Tompkins
>>> County Chamber of Commerce, and Visit Ithaca, used the Contact
>>> Us feature of each, and briefly asked them to please not do a
>>> light show in the gorge due to potential disturbance of the
>>> Peregrines and Ravens nesting there.
>>>
>>> - - Dave Nutter
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 14, 2024, at 12:06 PM, Geo Kloppel 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Below is the press release for the evening light shows at
>>> the great falls in Taughannock Falls State Park later this
>>> week, which have potential to disturb the Peregrine Falcons
>>> and Ravens that are currently on nests there).
>>>
>>> Note that the event is jointly hosted by NYS Parks, Visit
>>> Ithaca, and also the Tompkins Chamber, which is handling
>>> online registration for after-dark hikes up the gorge trail
>>> to the lighted falls.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Go for a hike and view the lights to celebrate 100 years of
>>> NYS Parks at Taughannock Falls
>>> 
>>> <https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>
>>>
>>> mytwintiers.com
>>> 
>>> <https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 14, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Tim Gallagher
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently
>>> Taughannock Falls will be bri

RE: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Jane Frances Bunker]

That’s terrific news—thank you.

All day I’ve meant to carve out the time to write and say something about 
optics, and to suggest we make the argument that these groups could use the 
cancellation as a teaching moment about our precious fellow creatures and the 
importance of undisturbed habitat. So great that they made the right decision.

Many thanks to all who advocated for the peregrines and ravens.

Jane

Jane Bunker
Director
Cornell University Press
she/her/hers

Aupresses<https://aupresses.org/about-aupresses/> President

Cornell University is located on the traditional homelands of the Gayogo̱hó꞉nǫ' 
(the Cayuga Nation). The Gayogo̱hó꞉nǫ' are members of the Haudenosaunee 
Confederacy, an alliance of six sovereign Nations with a historic and 
contemporary presence on this land. The Confederacy precedes the establishment 
of Cornell University, New York state, and the United States of America. We 
acknowledge the painful history of Gayogo̱hó꞉nǫ' dispossession, and honor the 
ongoing connection of Gayogo̱hó꞉nǫ' people, past and present, to these lands 
and waters.

This land acknowledgment has been reviewed and approved by the traditional 
Gayogo̱hó꞉nǫ' leadership.


From: bounce-128148580-90604...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Tim Gallagher
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2024 4:29 PM
To: sarah fern 
Cc: Richard Guthrie ; Deb Grantham 
; Dave Nutter ; Geo Kloppel 
; CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

Here’s some great news. The Taughannock light show has been cancelled. They’re 
rescheduling it for the fall.
[cid:image001.jpg@01DA8F53.080EB4D0]
Update: Hike and illumination at Taughannock Falls 
canceled<https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>
mytwintiers.com<https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>



On Apr 15, 2024, at 1:47 PM, sarah fern 
mailto:fernsara...@gmail.com>> wrote:

My understanding is that all NYS park rangers have degrees in forestry. So I 
think they should know better about protecting wildlife. (Although I did watch 
a park ranger carry a mushroom-laden log out of a wildlife preserve and haul it 
away in his truck.)

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, 1:24 PM Richard Guthrie 
mailto:richardpguth...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Parks and Recreation - and DEC - are concerned about the resources that they 
are charged with protecting - if it is not inconvenient and/or if they can get 
some good publicity. Otherwise they will find a way around whatever the 
“problem” is. Look at Upland Sandpipers v. solar farms, or Cerulean Warblers v. 
parking lot. The enablers have a thesaurus full of workaround words to justify 
their schemes.


On Apr 15, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Deb Grantham 
mailto:d...@cornell.edu>> wrote:

I’ve sent a message to Visit Ithaca so far.

Deb


From: 
bounce-128145756-83565...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:bounce-128145756-83565...@list.cornell.edu>
 
mailto:bounce-128145756-83565...@list.cornell.edu>>
 On Behalf Of Dave Nutter
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 4:20 PM
To: Geo Kloppel mailto:geoklop...@gmail.com>>
Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
mailto:cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>>
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

I went to the websites for State Parks (NYSOPRHP), Tompkins County Chamber of 
Commerce, and Visit Ithaca, used the Contact Us feature of each, and briefly 
asked them to please not do a light show in the gorge due to potential 
disturbance of the Peregrines and Ravens nesting there.
- - Dave Nutter

On Apr 14, 2024, at 12:06 PM, Geo Kloppel 
mailto:geoklop...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Below is the press release for the evening light shows at the great falls in 
Taughannock Falls State Park later this week, which have potential to disturb 
the Peregrine Falcons and Ravens that are currently on nests there).

Note that the event is jointly hosted by NYS Parks, Visit Ithaca, and also the 
Tompkins Chamber, which is handling online registration for after-dark hikes up 
the gorge trail to the lighted falls.


Go for a hike and view the lights to celebrate 100 years of NYS Parks at 
Taughannock 
Falls<https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>
mytwintiers.com<https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>


On Apr 14, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Tim Gallagher 
mailto:t...@cornell.edu>> wrote:
I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will be 
brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday, Friday, and 
Saturday night (April 18, 19, and 20). I guess it’s some kind of PR stunt to 
celebrate the 100th anniversary of the New York State Pa

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Tim Gallagher]

Here’s some great news. The Taughannock light show has been cancelled. They’re 
rescheduling it for the fall.
<https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>
[new-york-state-parks-recreation-and-historic-preservation-1.jpg]
Update: Hike and illumination at Taughannock Falls 
canceled<https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>
mytwintiers.com<https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>


On Apr 15, 2024, at 1:47 PM, sarah fern  wrote:


My understanding is that all NYS park rangers have degrees in forestry. So I 
think they should know better about protecting wildlife. (Although I did watch 
a park ranger carry a mushroom-laden log out of a wildlife preserve and haul it 
away in his truck.)

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, 1:24 PM Richard Guthrie 
mailto:richardpguth...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Parks and Recreation - and DEC - are concerned about the resources that they 
are charged with protecting - if it is not inconvenient and/or if they can get 
some good publicity. Otherwise they will find a way around whatever the 
“problem” is. Look at Upland Sandpipers v. solar farms, or Cerulean Warblers v. 
parking lot. The enablers have a thesaurus full of workaround words to justify 
their schemes.

On Apr 15, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Deb Grantham 
mailto:d...@cornell.edu>> wrote:


I’ve sent a message to Visit Ithaca so far.

Deb


From: 
bounce-128145756-83565...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:bounce-128145756-83565...@list.cornell.edu>
 
mailto:bounce-128145756-83565...@list.cornell.edu>>
 On Behalf Of Dave Nutter
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 4:20 PM
To: Geo Kloppel mailto:geoklop...@gmail.com>>
Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
mailto:cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>>
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

I went to the websites for State Parks (NYSOPRHP), Tompkins County Chamber of 
Commerce, and Visit Ithaca, used the Contact Us feature of each, and briefly 
asked them to please not do a light show in the gorge due to potential 
disturbance of the Peregrines and Ravens nesting there.
- - Dave Nutter

On Apr 14, 2024, at 12:06 PM, Geo Kloppel 
mailto:geoklop...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Below is the press release for the evening light shows at the great falls in 
Taughannock Falls State Park later this week, which have potential to disturb 
the Peregrine Falcons and Ravens that are currently on nests there).

Note that the event is jointly hosted by NYS Parks, Visit Ithaca, and also the 
Tompkins Chamber, which is handling online registration for after-dark hikes up 
the gorge trail to the lighted falls.


Go for a hike and view the lights to celebrate 100 years of NYS Parks at 
Taughannock 
Falls<https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>
mytwintiers.com<https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>



On Apr 14, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Tim Gallagher 
mailto:t...@cornell.edu>> wrote:
I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will be 
brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday, Friday, and 
Saturday night (April 18, 19, and 20). I guess it’s some kind of PR stunt to 
celebrate the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park Service, but it 
couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just about to hatch in 
the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right beside the 
falls—not mention all the other wildlife in the park. There certainly should be 
other, less potentially harmful, ways to celebrate the Park Service. You can 
contact the Taughannock Park office at (607) 387-7041. (Photo by Arthur A. 
Allen)
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[sarah fern]

My understanding is that all NYS park rangers have degrees in forestry. So
I think they should know better about protecting wildlife. (Although I did
watch a park ranger carry a mushroom-laden log out of a wildlife preserve
and haul it away in his truck.)

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, 1:24 PM Richard Guthrie 
wrote:

> Parks and Recreation - and DEC - are concerned about the resources that
> they are charged with protecting - if it is not inconvenient and/or if they
> can get some good publicity. Otherwise they will find a way around whatever
> the “problem” is. Look at Upland Sandpipers v. solar farms, or Cerulean
> Warblers v. parking lot. The enablers have a thesaurus full of workaround
> words to justify their schemes.
>
> On Apr 15, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Deb Grantham  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I’ve sent a message to Visit Ithaca so far.
>
>
>
> Deb
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* bounce-128145756-83565...@list.cornell.edu <
> bounce-128145756-83565...@list.cornell.edu> *On Behalf Of *Dave Nutter
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 14, 2024 4:20 PM
> *To:* Geo Kloppel 
> *Cc:* CAYUGABIRDS-L 
> *Subject:* Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?
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>
> I went to the websites for State Parks (NYSOPRHP), Tompkins County Chamber
> of Commerce, and Visit Ithaca, used the Contact Us feature of each, and
> briefly asked them to please not do a light show in the gorge due to
> potential disturbance of the Peregrines and Ravens nesting there.
>
> - - Dave Nutter
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2024, at 12:06 PM, Geo Kloppel  wrote:
>
> Below is the press release for the evening light shows at the great falls
> in Taughannock Falls State Park later this week, which have potential to
> disturb the Peregrine Falcons and Ravens that are currently on nests there).
>
>
>
> Note that the event is jointly hosted by NYS Parks, Visit Ithaca, and also
> the Tompkins Chamber, which is handling online registration for after-dark
> hikes up the gorge trail to the lighted falls.
>
>
>
> 
>
> Go for a hike and view the lights to celebrate 100 years of NYS Parks at
> Taughannock Falls
> <https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>
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> mytwintiers.com
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>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Tim Gallagher  wrote:
>
> I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls
> will be brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday,
> Friday, and Saturday night (April 18, 19, and 20). I guess it’s some kind
> of PR stunt to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park
> Service, but it couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just
> about to hatch in the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting
> right beside the falls—not mention all the other wildlife in the park.
> There certainly should be other, less potentially harmful, ways to
> celebrate the Park Service. You can contact the Taughannock Park office at
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Richard Guthrie]

Parks and Recreation - and DEC - are concerned about the resources that they are charged with protecting - if it is not inconvenient and/or if they can get some good publicity. Otherwise they will find a way around whatever the “problem” is. Look at Upland Sandpipers v. solar farms, or Cerulean Warblers v. parking lot. The enablers have a thesaurus full of workaround words to justify their schemes. On Apr 15, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Deb Grantham  wrote:







I’ve sent a message to Visit Ithaca so far.
 
Deb
 
 


From: bounce-128145756-83565...@list.cornell.edu 
On Behalf Of Dave Nutter
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 4:20 PM
To: Geo Kloppel 
Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?


 
I went to the websites for State Parks (NYSOPRHP), Tompkins County Chamber of Commerce, and Visit Ithaca, used the Contact Us feature of each, and briefly asked them to please not do a light show in the gorge
 due to potential disturbance of the Peregrines and Ravens nesting there. 

- - Dave Nutter



On Apr 14, 2024, at 12:06 PM, Geo Kloppel <geoklop...@gmail.com> wrote:




Below is the press release for the evening light shows at the great falls in Taughannock Falls State Park later this week, which have potential to disturb the Peregrine Falcons and Ravens that are currently on nests there).


 


Note that the event is jointly hosted by NYS Parks, Visit Ithaca, and also the Tompkins Chamber, which is handling online registration for after-dark hikes up the gorge trail to the lighted falls.


 


















Go
 for a hike and view the lights to celebrate 100 years of NYS Parks at Taughannock Falls
mytwintiers.com











 






On Apr 14, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Tim Gallagher <t...@cornell.edu> wrote:




I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will be brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night (April 18, 19, and 20). I guess it’s some
 kind of PR stunt to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park Service, but it couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just about to hatch in the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right beside the falls—not mention
 all the other wildlife in the park. There certainly should be other, less potentially harmful, ways to celebrate the Park Service. You can contact the Taughannock Park office at (607) 387-7041. (Photo by Arthur A. Allen)



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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Stephen W. Kress]

Hi Astrid and all:
Indeed, it is a proud moment to celebrate the 100th anniversary of NY Parks, 
but it is impossible to predict how this event would affect the Taughannock 
Peregrines, which are themselves a great cause for celebration given their 
recent return to the Taughannock gorge and their symbolism for how people can 
restore wildlife.  Although some Peregrines famously nest in well-lit noisy 
urban canyons and under major bridges, these are birds that are habituated to 
these locations- that is they selected their nesting sites and experience the 
light and noise of urban life daily.   In contrast, Taughannock Peregrines 
selected a nesting site in a dark, quiet gorge.  They are presently incubating 
eggs or brooding newly hatched chicks which are vulnerable to weather and 
predators if the parents are not closely attending. Why take a chance on 
abandonment?   In my opinion, it would be safer for the Peregrines to do a 
night celebration in the fall, after the chicks fledge.  If that is not 
possible at this late date, some of the suggestions to minimize disturbance by 
Geo Kloppel (below) would be helpful, especially the idea of illuminating the 
falls from below and keeping the walls of the gorge dark.

My best,
Stephen Kress
Former VP for Bird Conservation
National Audubon Society

From: Astrid Jirka 
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2024 10:24 AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Cc: Geo Kloppel ; Jennifer Tavares 
; Teeter, Josh (PARKS) 
; Bonn, Fred (PARKS) ; 
Stephen W. Kress 
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

Hi everyone,

I appreciate the care and attention being given to the peregrines and the 
ravens in light of the lightshow being planned this weekend, as I've seen 
expressed through the Cayuga Bird Listserve.
I also appreciate NYS Parks for all they do to promote recreation and 
conservation of our natural resources.
And I appreciate the Chamber and Visit Ithaca for all they do to promote 
tourism in our area which is so crucial to our local economy.
It is understandable to me that there is an interest in a celebration and that 
Tgnk Falls should be (literally) highlighted due to its beauty and its 
attraction to locals and visitors alike.

Could one of the birders please explain exactly what they think the 
repercussions would be to the bird nests that are of concern?  Are the females 
likely to abandon their nests, eggs or chicks, and never return?

It is nice to see a community caring so much for our natural resources in so 
many ways. Let's do our best to make it work for the birds and the humans and 
all involved!

Take care,

Astrid Jirka
Director of Tourism Initiatives
Discover Cayuga Lake

-- Forwarded message -
From: mailto:t...@ottcmail.com>>
Date: Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?
To: Geo Kloppel mailto:geoklop...@gmail.com>>, 
CAYUGABIRDS-L 
mailto:cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>>

Sounds like there is a lot of momentum behind this and it might be easier to 
deflect than to stop unless the weather is like today.  Celebrating the 100th 
probably is a huge deal for the agency, which certainly have manages a lot of 
great habitat for birds.  And they people behind this particular event have put 
time, money, and effort into planning and executing it and probably will be 
reluctant to abandon it.

Is there a way this could be done and disturbance minimized?  What if they lit 
up the falls from right below so the gorge itself wasn't illuminated, and 
instead of hiking up the gorge they centered the celebration on the overlook 
rather than hiking the gorge hike?  Maybe there's a local bird-loving food 
truck or caterer who would be willing to offer food at a discount to the parks 
for the three nights up at the visitor center by the overlook?

Is there someone on the list with contacts at the Regional State Park office or 
at the Chamber who could sound them out on whether they are open to 
alternatives?  Does the bird club have any programming it runs in partnership 
with any of the local state parks?  We could try to shut this down but there's 
a good chance that would fail and, whether or not it did, trying to shut it 
down entirely will piss off a lot people which might not be good for birds (or 
even birders) in the long run.  Note the Chamber of Commerce seems to be 
running the hikes so anyone on the list who is a member might want to gently 
explain the issue to Jennifer Tavares, who seems like a decent person.  Not 
sure if Fred Bonn is still the Regional Director of State Parks but he has been 
flexible in the past when approached given actual evidence and alternatives - 
but whoever approaches him should be prepared with published evidence or 
personal reports by someone (maybe Tim G) who is an acknowledged expert on 
peregrines and can show that the light show is going to disturb the peregrines. 
 Keep in mind that these folks know peregrines nest on urban bridges and 
buil

RE: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Deb Grantham]

Thank you!

Deb

From: bounce-128147718-83565...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Rachel Hogancamp
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2024 12:09 PM
To: Regi Teasley 
Cc: Astrid Jirka ; CAYUGABIRDS-L 

Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

Good morning, all -

I've been in touch with Jennifer Tavares at Tompkins Chamber and Fred Bonn of 
the Parks Services. Jennifer let me know they have received feedback from a 
number of people and are considering what may be possible at this point. I 
imagine they will send a notice out to all but if I hear anything definitive I 
will be sure to let you know.

Thanks,
Rachel

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 12:00 PM Regi Teasley 
mailto:rltcay...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Astrid,
   Thank you for your comments.
But I think compromise isn’t our answer here. In my view, this issue has 
developed because human beings see Nature as an afterthought.  Humans see their 
own goals and actions as primary and, if they care at all, they might try to 
“minimize” their impact.  God forbid they could reschedule or reconsider this 
project.
   As long as we don’t understand that Nature is not under our dominion, we 
will be unable to solve our environmental and climate problems.  We are 
watching and participating in the 6th Great Extinction; but apparently that 
hasn’t sunk in yet.

Regi

Creativity is the heart of adaptive evolution.
Terry Tempest Williams




On Apr 15, 2024, at 10:27 AM, Astrid Jirka 
mailto:ast...@discovercayugalake.org>> wrote:

Hi everyone,

I appreciate the care and attention being given to the peregrines and the 
ravens in light of the lightshow being planned this weekend, as I've seen 
expressed through the Cayuga Bird Listserve.
I also appreciate NYS Parks for all they do to promote recreation and 
conservation of our natural resources.
And I appreciate the Chamber and Visit Ithaca for all they do to promote 
tourism in our area which is so crucial to our local economy.
It is understandable to me that there is an interest in a celebration and that 
Tgnk Falls should be (literally) highlighted due to its beauty and its 
attraction to locals and visitors alike.

Could one of the birders please explain exactly what they think the 
repercussions would be to the bird nests that are of concern?  Are the females 
likely to abandon their nests, eggs or chicks, and never return?

It is nice to see a community caring so much for our natural resources in so 
many ways. Let's do our best to make it work for the birds and the humans and 
all involved!

Take care,

Astrid Jirka
Director of Tourism Initiatives
Discover Cayuga Lake

-- Forwarded message -
From: mailto:t...@ottcmail.com>>
Date: Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?
To: Geo Kloppel mailto:geoklop...@gmail.com>>, 
CAYUGABIRDS-L 
mailto:cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>>

Sounds like there is a lot of momentum behind this and it might be easier to 
deflect than to stop unless the weather is like today.  Celebrating the 100th 
probably is a huge deal for the agency, which certainly have manages a lot of 
great habitat for birds.  And they people behind this particular event have put 
time, money, and effort into planning and executing it and probably will be 
reluctant to abandon it.

Is there a way this could be done and disturbance minimized?  What if they lit 
up the falls from right below so the gorge itself wasn't illuminated, and 
instead of hiking up the gorge they centered the celebration on the overlook 
rather than hiking the gorge hike?  Maybe there's a local bird-loving food 
truck or caterer who would be willing to offer food at a discount to the parks 
for the three nights up at the visitor center by the overlook?

Is there someone on the list with contacts at the Regional State Park office or 
at the Chamber who could sound them out on whether they are open to 
alternatives?  Does the bird club have any programming it runs in partnership 
with any of the local state parks?  We could try to shut this down but there's 
a good chance that would fail and, whether or not it did, trying to shut it 
down entirely will piss off a lot people which might not be good for birds (or 
even birders) in the long run.  Note the Chamber of Commerce seems to be 
running the hikes so anyone on the list who is a member might want to gently 
explain the issue to Jennifer Tavares, who seems like a decent person.  Not 
sure if Fred Bonn is still the Regional Director of State Parks but he has been 
flexible in the past when approached given actual evidence and alternatives - 
but whoever approaches him should be prepared with published evidence or 
personal reports by someone (maybe Tim G) who is an acknowledged expert on 
peregrines and can show that the light show is going to disturb the peregrines. 
 Keep in mind that these folks know peregrines nest on urban bridges and 
buildings that are lit at night

RE: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Deb Grantham]

I’ve sent a message to Visit Ithaca so far.

Deb


From: bounce-128145756-83565...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Dave Nutter
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 4:20 PM
To: Geo Kloppel 
Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

I went to the websites for State Parks (NYSOPRHP), Tompkins County Chamber of 
Commerce, and Visit Ithaca, used the Contact Us feature of each, and briefly 
asked them to please not do a light show in the gorge due to potential 
disturbance of the Peregrines and Ravens nesting there.
- - Dave Nutter

On Apr 14, 2024, at 12:06 PM, Geo Kloppel 
mailto:geoklop...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Below is the press release for the evening light shows at the great falls in 
Taughannock Falls State Park later this week, which have potential to disturb 
the Peregrine Falcons and Ravens that are currently on nests there).

Note that the event is jointly hosted by NYS Parks, Visit Ithaca, and also the 
Tompkins Chamber, which is handling online registration for after-dark hikes up 
the gorge trail to the lighted falls.


Go for a hike and view the lights to celebrate 100 years of NYS Parks at 
Taughannock 
Falls<https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>
mytwintiers.com<https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>



On Apr 14, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Tim Gallagher 
mailto:t...@cornell.edu>> wrote:
I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will be 
brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday, Friday, and 
Saturday night (April 18, 19, and 20). I guess it’s some kind of PR stunt to 
celebrate the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park Service, but it 
couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just about to hatch in 
the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right beside the 
falls—not mention all the other wildlife in the park. There certainly should be 
other, less potentially harmful, ways to celebrate the Park Service. You can 
contact the Taughannock Park office at (607) 387-7041. (Photo by Arthur A. 
Allen)
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[tess]

Thank you for reaching out to them, Rachel, sounds like you had a good 
conversation. We'll all keep our fingers crossed!

Alicia

On 4/15/2024 12:09 PM, Rachel Hogancamp wrote:
> Good morning, all -
>
> I've been in touch with Jennifer Tavares at Tompkins Chamber and Fred 
> Bonn of the Parks Services. Jennifer let me know they have received 
> feedback from a number of people and are considering what may be 
> possible at this point. I imagine they will send a notice out to all 
> but if I hear anything definitive I will be sure to let you know.
>
> Thanks,
> Rachel
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 12:00 PM Regi Teasley  wrote:
>
> Astrid,
>    Thank you for your comments.
>     But I think compromise isn’t our answer here. In my view, this
> issue has developed because human beings see Nature as an
> afterthought.  Humans see their own goals and actions as primary
> and, if they care at all, they might try to “minimize” their
> impact.  God forbid they could reschedule or reconsider this project.
>    As long as we don’t understand that Nature is not under our
> dominion, we will be unable to solve our environmental and climate
> problems.  We are watching and participating in the 6th Great
> Extinction; but apparently that hasn’t sunk in yet.
>
> Regi
> 
> Creativity is the heart of adaptive evolution.
> Terry Tempest Williams
>
>
>
>> On Apr 15, 2024, at 10:27 AM, Astrid Jirka
>>  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I appreciate the care and attention being given to the peregrines
>> and the ravens in light of the lightshow being planned this
>> weekend, as I've seen expressed through the Cayuga Bird Listserve.
>> I also appreciate NYS Parks for all they do to promote recreation
>> and conservation of our natural resources.
>> And I appreciate the Chamber and Visit Ithaca for all they do to
>> promote tourism in our area which is so crucial to our local
>> economy.
>> It is understandable to me that there is an interest in a
>> celebration and that Tgnk Falls should be (literally) highlighted
>> due to its beauty and its attraction to locals and visitors alike.
>>
>> *Could one of the birders please explain exactly what they think
>> the repercussions would be to the bird nests that are of concern?
>> * Are the females likely to abandon their nests, eggs or chicks,
>> and never return?
>>
>> It is nice to see a community caring so much for our natural
>> resources in so many ways. Let's do our best to make it work for
>> the birds and the humans and all involved!
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Astrid Jirka
>> Director of Tourism Initiatives
>> Discover Cayuga Lake
>>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: 
>> Date: Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 4:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?
>> To: Geo Kloppel , CAYUGABIRDS-L
>> 
>>
>>
>> Sounds like there is a lot of momentum behind this and it might
>> be easier to deflect than to stop unless the weather is like
>> today. Celebrating the 100th probably is a huge deal for the
>> agency, which certainly have manages a lot of great habitat for
>> birds.  And they people behind this particular event have put
>> time, money, and effort into planning and executing it and
>> probably will be reluctant to abandon it.
>>
>> Is there a way this could be done and disturbance minimized? 
>> What if they lit up the falls from right below so the gorge
>> itself wasn't illuminated, and instead of hiking up the gorge
>> they centered the celebration on the overlook rather than hiking
>> the gorge hike? Maybe there's a local bird-loving food truck or
>> caterer who would be willing to offer food at a discount to the
>> parks for the three nights up at the visitor center by the overlook?
>>
>> Is there someone on the list with contacts at the Regional State
>> Park office or at the Chamber who could sound them out on whether
>> they are open to alternatives?  Does the bird club have any
>> programming it runs in partnership with any of the local state
>> parks?  We could try to shut this down but there's a good chance
>> that would fail and, whether or not it did, trying to shut it
>> down entirely will piss off a lot people which might not be good
>> for birds (or even birders) in the long ru

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Rachel Hogancamp]

Good morning, all -

I've been in touch with Jennifer Tavares at Tompkins Chamber and Fred Bonn
of the Parks Services. Jennifer let me know they have received feedback
from a number of people and are considering what may be possible at this
point. I imagine they will send a notice out to all but if I hear anything
definitive I will be sure to let you know.

Thanks,
Rachel

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 12:00 PM Regi Teasley  wrote:

> Astrid,
>Thank you for your comments.
> But I think compromise isn’t our answer here. In my view, this issue
> has developed because human beings see Nature as an afterthought.  Humans
> see their own goals and actions as primary and, if they care at all, they
> might try to “minimize” their impact.  God forbid they could reschedule or
> reconsider this project.
>As long as we don’t understand that Nature is not under our dominion,
> we will be unable to solve our environmental and climate problems.  We are
> watching and participating in the 6th Great Extinction; but apparently that
> hasn’t sunk in yet.
>
> Regi
> 
> Creativity is the heart of adaptive evolution.
> Terry Tempest Williams
>
>
>
> On Apr 15, 2024, at 10:27 AM, Astrid Jirka 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Hi everyone,
>
> I appreciate the care and attention being given to the peregrines and the
> ravens in light of the lightshow being planned this weekend, as I've seen
> expressed through the Cayuga Bird Listserve.
> I also appreciate NYS Parks for all they do to promote recreation and
> conservation of our natural resources.
> And I appreciate the Chamber and Visit Ithaca for all they do to promote
> tourism in our area which is so crucial to our local economy.
> It is understandable to me that there is an interest in a celebration and
> that Tgnk Falls should be (literally) highlighted due to its beauty and its
> attraction to locals and visitors alike.
>
> *Could one of the birders please explain exactly what they think the
> repercussions would be to the bird nests that are of concern? * Are the
> females likely to abandon their nests, eggs or chicks, and never return?
>
> It is nice to see a community caring so much for our natural resources in
> so many ways. Let's do our best to make it work for the birds and the
> humans and all involved!
>
> Take care,
>
> Astrid Jirka
> Director of Tourism Initiatives
> Discover Cayuga Lake
>
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> From: 
> Date: Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 4:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?
> To: Geo Kloppel , CAYUGABIRDS-L <
> cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>
>
>
> Sounds like there is a lot of momentum behind this and it might be easier
> to deflect than to stop unless the weather is like today.  Celebrating the
> 100th probably is a huge deal for the agency, which certainly have manages
> a lot of great habitat for birds.  And they people behind this particular
> event have put time, money, and effort into planning and executing it and
> probably will be reluctant to abandon it.
>
> Is there a way this could be done and disturbance minimized?  What if they
> lit up the falls from right below so the gorge itself wasn't illuminated,
> and instead of hiking up the gorge they centered the celebration on the
> overlook rather than hiking the gorge hike?  Maybe there's a local
> bird-loving food truck or caterer who would be willing to offer food at a
> discount to the parks for the three nights up at the visitor center by the
> overlook?
>
> Is there someone on the list with contacts at the Regional State Park
> office or at the Chamber who could sound them out on whether they are open
> to alternatives?  Does the bird club have any programming it runs in
> partnership with any of the local state parks?  We could try to shut this
> down but there's a good chance that would fail and, whether or not it did,
> trying to shut it down entirely will piss off a lot people which might not
> be good for birds (or even birders) in the long run.  Note the Chamber of
> Commerce seems to be running the hikes so anyone on the list who is a
> member might want to gently explain the issue to Jennifer Tavares, who
> seems like a decent person.  Not sure if Fred Bonn is still the Regional
> Director of State Parks but he has been flexible in the past when
> approached given actual evidence and alternatives - but whoever approaches
> him should be prepared with published evidence or personal reports by
> someone (maybe Tim G) who is an acknowledged expert on peregrines and can
> show that the light show is going to disturb the peregrines.  Keep in mind
> that these folks know peregrines nest on urban bridges and buildings that
> are lit at night so they will nee

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Regi Teasley]

Astrid,   Thank you for your comments.      But I think compromise isn’t our answer here. In my view, this issue has developed because human beings see Nature as an afterthought.  Humans see their own goals and actions as primary and, if they care at all, they might try to “minimize” their impact.  God forbid they could reschedule or reconsider this project.   As long as we don’t understand that Nature is not under our dominion, we will be unable to solve our environmental and climate problems.  We are watching and participating in the 6th Great Extinction; but apparently that hasn’t sunk in yet.RegiCreativity is the heart of adaptive evolution.Terry Tempest WilliamsOn Apr 15, 2024, at 10:27 AM, Astrid Jirka  wrote:Hi everyone,I appreciate the care and attention being given to the peregrines and the ravens in light of the lightshow being planned this weekend, as I've seen expressed through the Cayuga Bird Listserve.I also appreciate NYS Parks for all they do to promote recreation and conservation of our natural resources.And I appreciate the Chamber and Visit Ithaca for all they do to promote tourism in our area which is so crucial to our local economy. It is understandable to me that there is an interest in a celebration and that Tgnk Falls should be (literally) highlighted due to its beauty and its attraction to locals and visitors alike.Could one of the birders please explain exactly what they think the repercussions would be to the bird nests that are of concern?  Are the females likely to abandon their nests, eggs or chicks, and never return? It is nice to see a community caring so much for our natural resources in so many ways. Let's do our best to make it work for the birds and the humans and all involved!Take care,Astrid JirkaDirector of Tourism InitiativesDiscover Cayuga Lake-- Forwarded message -From: <t...@ottcmail.com>Date: Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 4:25 PMSubject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?To: Geo Kloppel <geoklop...@gmail.com>, CAYUGABIRDS-L <cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>

  

  
  
Sounds like there is a lot of momentum behind this and it might be
easier to deflect than to stop unless the weather is like today. 
Celebrating the 100th probably is a huge deal for the agency, which
certainly have manages a lot of great habitat for birds.  And they
people behind this particular event have put time, money, and effort
into planning and executing it and probably will be reluctant to
abandon it.

Is there a way this could be done and disturbance minimized?  What
if they lit up the falls from right below so the gorge itself wasn't
illuminated, and instead of hiking up the gorge they centered the
celebration on the overlook rather than hiking the gorge hike? 
Maybe there's a local bird-loving food truck or caterer who would be
willing to offer food at a discount to the parks for the three
nights up at the visitor center by the overlook?  

Is there someone on the list with contacts at the Regional State
Park office or at the Chamber who could sound them out on whether
they are open to alternatives?  Does the bird club have any
programming it runs in partnership with any of the local state
parks?  We could try to shut this down but there's a good chance
that would fail and, whether or not it did, trying to shut it down
entirely will piss off a lot people which might not be good for
birds (or even birders) in the long run.  Note the Chamber of
Commerce seems to be running the hikes so anyone on the list who is
a member might want to gently explain the issue to Jennifer Tavares,
who seems like a decent person.  Not sure if Fred Bonn is still the
Regional Director of State Parks but he has been flexible in the
past when approached given actual evidence and alternatives - but
whoever approaches him should be prepared with published evidence or
personal reports by someone (maybe Tim G) who is an acknowledged
expert on peregrines and can show that the light show is going to
disturb the peregrines.  Keep in mind that these folks know
peregrines nest on urban bridges and buildings that are lit at night
so they will need to know why this is different.


On 4/14/2024 12:06 PM, Geo Kloppel
  wrote:


  
  Below is the press release for the evening light
shows at the great falls in Taughannock Falls State Park later
this week, which have potential to disturb the Peregrine Falcons
and Ravens that are currently on nests there).
  
  
  Note that the event is jointly hosted by NYS Parks,
Visit Ithaca, and also the Tompkins Chamber, which is handling
online registration for after-dark hikes up the gorge trail to
   

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Karen]

 Hi Astrid,
   The light show with that disturbance and the disturbance of setting up the 
light show might cause the nesting birds to desert the nest. Tolerance for 
anthropogenic disturbance varies among individuls even within the same species. 
Some individuls get acclimated, some don't. It is not possible to be certain 
about the light show and its affect on nesting birds. 
    Both the Raven and the Peregrine have recently returned as nesting birds to 
Tompkins County. The first nesting Raven in nearly a century was in the FLLT 
Preserve at Lick Brook about 15 years ago. They did not nest there again, 
perhaps as hiking that portion of the trail became quite popular. Yet, there 
has been a Raven nest in Cayuga Heights recently. The Peregrine at Tgnk are 
part of a national recovery and are the first nest in the county in decades. 
Either pairs of birds could leave due to disturbance, but it is not possible to 
be certain. Leaving their current nest after having laid the eggs and started 
incubation would likely lead to reproductive failure for the year. The timing 
of courtship, physiological changes to produce eggs, site selection, 
incubation, and eventually fledgling have been selected  for optimum success 
rate. Starting over changes the timing by well over a month and would likely be 
unsuccessful. I think it is unlikely that they would even try to start another 
nest, even if they could find a suitable nest site.
   I think the dedication of the state parks to protecting natural ecosystems, 
which certainly includes uncommon nesting birds, favors leaving the site alone.
John Confer
Monday, April 15, 2024 at 10:27:33 AM EDT, Astrid Jirka 
 wrote: 
 
 Hi everyone,
I appreciate the care and attention being given to the peregrines and the 
ravens in light of the lightshow being planned this weekend, as I've seen 
expressed through the Cayuga Bird Listserve.
I also appreciate NYS Parks for all they do to promote recreation and 
conservation of our natural resources.And I appreciate the Chamber and Visit 
Ithaca for all they do to promote tourism in our area which is so crucial to 
our local economy. 
It is understandable to me that there is an interest in a celebration and that 
Tgnk Falls should be (literally) highlighted due to its beauty and its 
attraction to locals and visitors alike.

Could one of the birders please explain exactly what they think the 
repercussions would be to the bird nests that are of concern?  Are the females 
likely to abandon their nests, eggs or chicks, and never return? 

It is nice to see a community caring so much for our natural resources in so 
many ways. Let's do our best to make it work for the birds and the humans and 
all involved!

Take care,
Astrid Jirka
Director of Tourism InitiativesDiscover Cayuga Lake

-- Forwarded message -
From: 
Date: Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?
To: Geo Kloppel , CAYUGABIRDS-L 



  Sounds like there is a lot of momentum behind this and it might be easier to 
deflect than to stop unless the weather is like today.  Celebrating the 100th 
probably is a huge deal for the agency, which certainly have manages a lot of 
great habitat for birds.  And they people behind this particular event have put 
time, money, and effort into planning and executing it and probably will be 
reluctant to abandon it.
 
 Is there a way this could be done and disturbance minimized?  What if they lit 
up the falls from right below so the gorge itself wasn't illuminated, and 
instead of hiking up the gorge they centered the celebration on the overlook 
rather than hiking the gorge hike?  Maybe there's a local bird-loving food 
truck or caterer who would be willing to offer food at a discount to the parks 
for the three nights up at the visitor center by the overlook?  
 
 Is there someone on the list with contacts at the Regional State Park office 
or at the Chamber who could sound them out on whether they are open to 
alternatives?  Does the bird club have any programming it runs in partnership 
with any of the local state parks?  We could try to shut this down but there's 
a good chance that would fail and, whether or not it did, trying to shut it 
down entirely will piss off a lot people which might not be good for birds (or 
even birders) in the long run.  Note the Chamber of Commerce seems to be 
running the hikes so anyone on the list who is a member might want to gently 
explain the issue to Jennifer Tavares, who seems like a decent person.  Not 
sure if Fred Bonn is still the Regional Director of State Parks but he has been 
flexible in the past when approached given actual evidence and alternatives - 
but whoever approaches him should be prepared with published evidence or 
personal reports by someone (maybe Tim G) who is an acknowledged expert on 
peregrines and can show that the light show is going to disturb the peregrines. 
 Keep in mind that these folks know peregrines nest

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Astrid Jirka]

Hi everyone,

I appreciate the care and attention being given to the peregrines and the
ravens in light of the lightshow being planned this weekend, as I've seen
expressed through the Cayuga Bird Listserve.
I also appreciate NYS Parks for all they do to promote recreation and
conservation of our natural resources.
And I appreciate the Chamber and Visit Ithaca for all they do to promote
tourism in our area which is so crucial to our local economy.
It is understandable to me that there is an interest in a celebration and
that Tgnk Falls should be (literally) highlighted due to its beauty and its
attraction to locals and visitors alike.

*Could one of the birders please explain exactly what they think the
repercussions would be to the bird nests that are of concern? * Are the
females likely to abandon their nests, eggs or chicks, and never return?

It is nice to see a community caring so much for our natural resources in
so many ways. Let's do our best to make it work for the birds and the
humans and all involved!

Take care,

Astrid Jirka
Director of Tourism Initiatives
Discover Cayuga Lake

-- Forwarded message -
From: 
Date: Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?
To: Geo Kloppel , CAYUGABIRDS-L <
cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>


Sounds like there is a lot of momentum behind this and it might be easier
to deflect than to stop unless the weather is like today.  Celebrating the
100th probably is a huge deal for the agency, which certainly have manages
a lot of great habitat for birds.  And they people behind this particular
event have put time, money, and effort into planning and executing it and
probably will be reluctant to abandon it.

Is there a way this could be done and disturbance minimized?  What if they
lit up the falls from right below so the gorge itself wasn't illuminated,
and instead of hiking up the gorge they centered the celebration on the
overlook rather than hiking the gorge hike?  Maybe there's a local
bird-loving food truck or caterer who would be willing to offer food at a
discount to the parks for the three nights up at the visitor center by the
overlook?

Is there someone on the list with contacts at the Regional State Park
office or at the Chamber who could sound them out on whether they are open
to alternatives?  Does the bird club have any programming it runs in
partnership with any of the local state parks?  We could try to shut this
down but there's a good chance that would fail and, whether or not it did,
trying to shut it down entirely will piss off a lot people which might not
be good for birds (or even birders) in the long run.  Note the Chamber of
Commerce seems to be running the hikes so anyone on the list who is a
member might want to gently explain the issue to Jennifer Tavares, who
seems like a decent person.  Not sure if Fred Bonn is still the Regional
Director of State Parks but he has been flexible in the past when
approached given actual evidence and alternatives - but whoever approaches
him should be prepared with published evidence or personal reports by
someone (maybe Tim G) who is an acknowledged expert on peregrines and can
show that the light show is going to disturb the peregrines.  Keep in mind
that these folks know peregrines nest on urban bridges and buildings that
are lit at night so they will need to know why this is different.


On 4/14/2024 12:06 PM, Geo Kloppel wrote:

Below is the press release for the evening light shows at the great falls
in Taughannock Falls State Park later this week, which have potential to
disturb the Peregrine Falcons and Ravens that are currently on nests there).

Note that the event is jointly hosted by NYS Parks, Visit Ithaca, and also
the Tompkins Chamber, which is handling online registration for after-dark
hikes up the gorge trail to the lighted falls.

[image: new-york-state-parks-recreation-and-historic-preservation-1.jpg]

Go for a hike and view the lights to celebrate 100 years of NYS Parks at
Taughannock Falls
<https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>
mytwintiers.com
<https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>
<https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>


On Apr 14, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Tim Gallagher 
 wrote:

I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will
be brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday, Friday,
and Saturday night (April 18, 19, and 20). I guess it’s some kind of PR
stunt to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park
Service, but it couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just
about to hatch in the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Rav

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[tess]

Sounds like there is a lot of momentum behind this and it might be 
easier to deflect than to stop unless the weather is like today. 
Celebrating the 100th probably is a huge deal for the agency, which 
certainly have manages a lot of great habitat for birds.  And they 
people behind this particular event have put time, money, and effort 
into planning and executing it and probably will be reluctant to abandon it.

Is there a way this could be done and disturbance minimized?  What if 
they lit up the falls from right below so the gorge itself wasn't 
illuminated, and instead of hiking up the gorge they centered the 
celebration on the overlook rather than hiking the gorge hike? Maybe 
there's a local bird-loving food truck or caterer who would be willing 
to offer food at a discount to the parks for the three nights up at the 
visitor center by the overlook?

Is there someone on the list with contacts at the Regional State Park 
office or at the Chamber who could sound them out on whether they are 
open to alternatives?  Does the bird club have any programming it runs 
in partnership with any of the local state parks?  We could try to shut 
this down but there's a good chance that would fail and, whether or not 
it did, trying to shut it down entirely will piss off a lot people which 
might not be good for birds (or even birders) in the long run.  Note the 
Chamber of Commerce seems to be running the hikes so anyone on the list 
who is a member might want to gently explain the issue to Jennifer 
Tavares, who seems like a decent person.  Not sure if Fred Bonn is still 
the Regional Director of State Parks but he has been flexible in the 
past when approached given actual evidence and alternatives - but 
whoever approaches him should be prepared with published evidence or 
personal reports by someone (maybe Tim G) who is an acknowledged expert 
on peregrines and can show that the light show is going to disturb the 
peregrines.  Keep in mind that these folks know peregrines nest on urban 
bridges and buildings that are lit at night so they will need to know 
why this is different.


On 4/14/2024 12:06 PM, Geo Kloppel wrote:
> Below is the press release for the evening light shows at the great 
> falls in Taughannock Falls State Park later this week, which have 
> potential to disturb the Peregrine Falcons and Ravens that are 
> currently on nests there).
>
> Note that the event is jointly hosted by NYS Parks, Visit Ithaca, and 
> also the Tompkins Chamber, which is handling online registration for 
> after-dark hikes up the gorge trail to the lighted falls.
>
> new-york-state-parks-recreation-and-historic-preservation-1.jpg
> Go for a hike and view the lights to celebrate 100 years of NYS Parks 
> at Taughannock Falls 
> 
> mytwintiers.com 
> 
>
> 
>
>
>> On Apr 14, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Tim Gallagher  wrote:
>>
>> I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock 
>> Falls will be brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming 
>> Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night (April 18, 19, and 20). I guess 
>> it’s some kind of PR stunt to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the 
>> New York State Park Service, but it couldn’t possibly come at a worse 
>> time, with the eggs just about to hatch in the Peregrine Falcon eyrie 
>> and a pair of Ravens nesting right beside the falls—not mention all 
>> the other wildlife in the park. There certainly should be other, less 
>> potentially harmful, ways to celebrate the Park Service. You can 
>> contact the Taughannock Park office at (607) 387-7041. (Photo by 
>> Arthur A. Allen)
>>
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Dave Nutter]

I went to the websites for State Parks (NYSOPRHP), Tompkins County Chamber of 
Commerce, and Visit Ithaca, used the Contact Us feature of each, and briefly 
asked them to please not do a light show in the gorge due to potential 
disturbance of the Peregrines and Ravens nesting there. 

- - Dave Nutter

> On Apr 14, 2024, at 12:06 PM, Geo Kloppel  wrote:
> 
> Below is the press release for the evening light shows at the great falls in 
> Taughannock Falls State Park later this week, which have potential to disturb 
> the Peregrine Falcons and Ravens that are currently on nests there).
> 
> Note that the event is jointly hosted by NYS Parks, Visit Ithaca, and also 
> the Tompkins Chamber, which is handling online registration for after-dark 
> hikes up the gorge trail to the lighted falls.
> 
> 
> Go for a hike and view the lights to celebrate 100 years of NYS Parks at 
> Taughannock Falls
> mytwintiers.com
> 
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Tim Gallagher  wrote:
>> 
>> I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will 
>> be brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday, Friday, and 
>> Saturday night (April 18, 19, and 20). I guess it’s some kind of PR stunt to 
>> celebrate the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park Service, but it 
>> couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just about to hatch in 
>> the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right beside the 
>> falls—not mention all the other wildlife in the park. There certainly should 
>> be other, less potentially harmful, ways to celebrate the Park Service. You 
>> can contact the Taughannock Park office at (607) 387-7041. (Photo by Arthur 
>> A. Allen)
>> 
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[Geo Kloppel]


Being listed as endangered or threatened isn’t really the criterion for legal 
protection. The Migratory Bird Treaty Act (MBTA) already protects these birds 
and their nests, eggs, and nestlings.

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[Tim Gallagher]

Peregrines were removed from the federal Endangered Species List in 1999.

From: bounce-128145693-10557...@list.cornell.edu 
 on behalf of Kevin C Packard 

Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 1:51 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L ; Sandy Podulka 

Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

Interesting thought, but I don't think peregrine falcons are listed as 
endangered under the ESA.

Best,

Kevin







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 on behalf of Sandy Podulka 

Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 1:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

Would the Endangered Species Act make this illegal?

At 10:15 AM 4/14/2024, Tim Gallagher wrote:
I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will be 
brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday, Friday, and 
Saturday night (April 18, 19, and 20). I guess it’s some kind of PR stunt to 
celebrate the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park Service, but it 
couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just about to hatch in 
the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right beside the 
falls—not mention all the other wildlife in the park.. There certainly should 
be other, less potentially harmful, ways to celebrate the Park Service. You can 
contact the Taughannock Park office at (607) 387-7041. (Photo by Arthur A. 
Allen)

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Geo Kloppel]

The Peregrines’ nest is just below the Visitor’s Center building at the falls overlook, so not likely to be lighted directly, unless the technicians are planning something really extravagant! The Ravens' nest is above and  slightly north of the lip of the falls itself. It's well within the reach of spotlighting intended to highlight the falls, unless that were carefully aimed to avoid the nest area…On Apr 14, 2024, at 1:53 PM, Rachel Hogancamp  wrote:Do we know where the lights will be? Will they light up the nest? I know someone at the Parks office and will try to contact them to see what’s possible.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 14, 2024, at 1:46 PM, Sandy Podulka  wrote:

Would the Endangered Species Act make this illegal?
At 10:15 AM 4/14/2024, Tim Gallagher wrote:
I heard some disturbing news
last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will be brightly illuminated
from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night
(April 18, 19, and 20). I guess it’s some kind of PR stunt to celebrate
the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park Service, but it
couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just about to
hatch in the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right
beside the falls—not mention all the other wildlife in the park.. There
certainly should be other, less potentially harmful, ways to celebrate
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Geo Kloppel]

Peregrines (and Ravens too) sometimes nest on buildings, bridges, and other structures in the vicinity of artificial lights. But those individuals have chosen those sites, and they are accustomed to the lights. I think the potential for harm to the birds nesting in the dark Taughannock gorge is concentrated in the suddenness and surprise of turning spotlights upon them. Especially tough for the Ravens, whose nest is right above the falls!If it was my decision, I wouldn’t risk it at this season. But if it’s really beyond cancelling, I suppose it might help to turn on the lights early, _before_ darkness settles in the gorge. Also to direct the spots solely upon the falls itself, and not flood the Raven’s nest and the whole amphitheater with light. There will already be quite a bit of moonlight those evenings. I know I want to be there, not to see the spotlights but to observe the reaction of  the incubating females.-GeoOn Apr 14, 2024, at 1:16 PM, Deb Grantham  wrote:







So what do we do?
 
Deb
 
 


From: bounce-128145578-83565...@list.cornell.edu 
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Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 12:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?


 

Below is the press release for the evening light shows at the great falls in Taughannock Falls State Park later this week, which have potential to disturb the Peregrine Falcons and Ravens that are currently on nests there).


 


Note that the event is jointly hosted by NYS Parks, Visit Ithaca, and also the Tompkins Chamber, which is handling online registration for after-dark hikes up the gorge trail to the lighted falls.


 


















Go
 for a hike and view the lights to celebrate 100 years of NYS Parks at Taughannock Falls
mytwintiers.com











 






On Apr 14, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Tim Gallagher <t...@cornell.edu> wrote:




I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will be brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night (April 18, 19, and 20). I guess it’s some
 kind of PR stunt to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park Service, but it couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just about to hatch in the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right beside the falls—not mention
 all the other wildlife in the park. There certainly should be other, less potentially harmful, ways to celebrate the Park Service. You can contact the Taughannock Park office at (607) 387-7041. (Photo by Arthur A. Allen)



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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

[Kevin C Packard]

Though, Sandy, I do see them listed as endangered for NY according to the DEC. 
Perhaps someone who knows wildlife laws here in NY could speak to this.

https://dec.ny.gov/nature/animals-fish-plants/biodiversity-species-conservation/endangered-species/lists
List Of Endangered, Threatened And Special Concern Fish & Wildlife Species Of 
New York 
State<https://dec.ny.gov/nature/animals-fish-plants/biodiversity-species-conservation/endangered-species/lists>
New York State's Endangered, Threatened and Special Concern Species List
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Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

Interesting thought, but I don't think peregrine falcons are listed as 
endangered under the ESA.

Best,

Kevin







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Would the Endangered Species Act make this illegal?

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I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will be 
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Saturday night (April 18, 19, and 20). I guess it’s some kind of PR stunt to 
celebrate the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park Service, but it 
couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just about to hatch in 
the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right beside the 
falls—not mention all the other wildlife in the park.. There certainly should 
be other, less potentially harmful, ways to celebrate the Park Service. You can 
contact the Taughannock Park office at (607) 387-7041. (Photo by Arthur A. 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

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Do we know where the lights will be? Will they light up the nest? I know someone at the Parks office and will try to contact them to see what’s possible.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 14, 2024, at 1:46 PM, Sandy Podulka  wrote:

Would the Endangered Species Act make this illegal?
At 10:15 AM 4/14/2024, Tim Gallagher wrote:
I heard some disturbing news
last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will be brightly illuminated
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the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park Service, but it
couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just about to
hatch in the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right
beside the falls—not mention all the other wildlife in the park.. There
certainly should be other, less potentially harmful, ways to celebrate
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

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Interesting thought, but I don't think peregrine falcons are listed as 
endangered under the ESA.

Best,

Kevin







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Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 1:46 PM
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Would the Endangered Species Act make this illegal?

At 10:15 AM 4/14/2024, Tim Gallagher wrote:
I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will be 
brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday, Friday, and 
Saturday night (April 18, 19, and 20). I guess it’s some kind of PR stunt to 
celebrate the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park Service, but it 
couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just about to hatch in 
the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right beside the 
falls—not mention all the other wildlife in the park.. There certainly should 
be other, less potentially harmful, ways to celebrate the Park Service. You can 
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Would the Endangered Species Act make this illegal?

At 10:15 AM 4/14/2024, Tim Gallagher wrote:
>I heard some disturbing news last night. 
>Apparently Taughannock Falls will be brightly 
>illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming 
>Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night (April 18, 
>19, and 20). I guess it’s some kind of PR 
>stunt to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the 
>New York State Park Service, but it couldn’t 
>possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs 
>just about to hatch in the Peregrine Falcon 
>eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right beside 
>the falls—not mention all the other wildlife in 
>the park.. There certainly should be other, less 
>potentially harmful, ways to celebrate the Park 
>Service. You can contact the Taughannock Park 
>office at (607) 387-7041. (Photo by Arthur A. Allen)
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So what do we do?

Deb


From: bounce-128145578-83565...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Geo Kloppel
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 12:07 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

Below is the press release for the evening light shows at the great falls in 
Taughannock Falls State Park later this week, which have potential to disturb 
the Peregrine Falcons and Ravens that are currently on nests there).

Note that the event is jointly hosted by NYS Parks, Visit Ithaca, and also the 
Tompkins Chamber, which is handling online registration for after-dark hikes up 
the gorge trail to the lighted falls.

[cid:image001.jpg@01DA8E6D.ECFEC530]
Go for a hike and view the lights to celebrate 100 years of NYS Parks at 
Taughannock 
Falls<https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/regional-news/go-for-a-hike-and-view-the-lights-to-celebrate-100-years-of-nys-parks-at-taughannock-falls/>
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On Apr 14, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Tim Gallagher 
mailto:t...@cornell.edu>> wrote:
I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will be 
brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday, Friday, and 
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celebrate the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park Service, but it 
couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just about to hatch in 
the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right beside the 
falls—not mention all the other wildlife in the park. There certainly should be 
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Below is the press release for the evening light shows at the great falls in Taughannock Falls State Park later this week, which have potential to disturb the Peregrine Falcons and Ravens that are currently on nests there).Note that the event is jointly hosted by NYS Parks, Visit Ithaca, and also the Tompkins Chamber, which is handling online registration for after-dark hikes up the gorge trail to the lighted falls.Go for a hike and view the lights to celebrate 100 years of NYS Parks at Taughannock Fallsmytwintiers.comOn Apr 14, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Tim Gallagher  wrote:I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will be brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night (April 18, 19, and 20). I guess it’s some kind of PR stunt to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park Service, but it couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just about to hatch in the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right beside the falls—not mention all the other wildlife in the park. There certainly should be other, less potentially harmful, ways to celebrate the Park Service. You can contact the Taughannock Park office at (607) 387-7041. (Photo by Arthur A. Allen)
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[cayugabirds-l] Taughannock Falls light show?

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I heard some disturbing news last night. Apparently Taughannock Falls will be 
brightly illuminated from 8:30 to 10:00 this coming Thursday, Friday, and 
Saturday night (April 18, 19, and 20). I guess it’s some kind of PR stunt to 
celebrate the 100th anniversary of the New York State Park Service, but it 
couldn’t possibly come at a worse time, with the eggs just about to hatch in 
the Peregrine Falcon eyrie and a pair of Ravens nesting right beside the 
falls—not mention all the other wildlife in the park. There certainly should be 
other, less potentially harmful, ways to celebrate the Park Service. You can 
contact the Taughannock Park office at (607) 387-7041. (Photo by Arthur A. 
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