[ccp4bb] PW XrayDB

2008-12-11 Thread Juergen Bosch
Hi Tracy, I think I know the PW for XrayDB. Let's talk tomorrow. Jürgen - Jürgen Bosch University of Washington Dept. of Biochemistry, K-426 1705 NE Pacific Street Seattle, WA 98195 Box 357742 Phone: +1-206-616-4510 FAX: +1-206-685-7002 Web: http://faculty.washington.edu/jbosch

[ccp4bb] About system absence in P4222?

2008-12-11 Thread NTHU
Dear All: We have a crystl with P4222 sg. All statistics look fine. However, there is a system absense in l axis. Any body have experiences on that? Any suggestions would be high appreciated. jaishin

Re: [ccp4bb] Ref for B-factor Underlying Phenomenon

2008-12-11 Thread Eleanor Dodson
A small molecule crystallography text would give you the formulation for an ideal case. A rough guide is that a B factor of 80 is equivalent to a mean vibration about the coordinate of 1A But for proteins the B factor becomes the collection bin for all sorts of other errors - unrecognised

Re: [ccp4bb] About system absence in P4222?

2008-12-11 Thread Eleanor Dodson
劉家欣(NTHU) wrote: Dear All: We have a crystl with P4222 sg. All statistics look fine. However, there is a system absense in l axis. Any body have experiences on that? Any suggestions would be high appreciated. jaishin can you give more details, eg all reflections along the particular

[ccp4bb] closing date for study weekend

2008-12-11 Thread Charles Ballard
Dear All the closing date for the study weekend registration is 15 December. Details, registration at http://www.cse.scitech.ac.uk/events/CCP4_2009/ Charles

Re: [ccp4bb] About system absence in P4222?

2008-12-11 Thread Winter, G (Graeme)
One of the many facilities in pointless is to search for absences and provide a list of likely spacegroup choices based on the results. It includes adjustments for neighbouring spots to address one of Eleanor's concerns. NCS can cause reflections to be systematically absent too. The program

Re: [ccp4bb] About system absence in P4222?

2008-12-11 Thread NTHU
Dear Prof. Dodson: Thank you for your kindly suggestions. Actually, the sg we predicted was P4222. However, the systematic absence was showed alone 00l in the log file(In below). Is ant conflict on that? Thanks again I appreciated. Sincerely, jaishin Intensities of systematic absences h

Re: [ccp4bb] R pim and Rmeans

2008-12-11 Thread Andreas Förster
Will someone knowledgeable shed light on these issues at the ccp4 meeting next month? Thanks Andreas Frank von Delft wrote: Hi Manfred thanks a lot for your comments, since they raise some interesting points. R_pim should give the precision of the averaged measurement, hence the name.

Re: [ccp4bb] Ref for B-factor Underlying Phenomenon

2008-12-11 Thread Randy Read
Just to clarify what Eleanor is saying: It was pointed out earlier (by James Holton, if I remember correctly?) that only the vibration in the direction parallel to the diffraction vector matters. If the mean-squared vibration in that direction is 1A^2, then the B-factor will be about

Re: [ccp4bb] About system absence in P4222?

2008-12-11 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I hate scalepack for this - it only lists absences and not the other axial reflections so you dont get a comparative scale.. SCALA is much more informative.. And it is always a bit dodgy basing the choice of space group on 3 absences alone, However after that gripe, indeed all 3 have I 3SigI so

Re: [ccp4bb] generating omit maps

2008-12-11 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
On Dec 10, 2008, at 17:02, Mischa Machius wrote: On Dec 10, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Mark J. van Raaij wrote: as a small variation on this, I would first finish the protein, and then include ligands, working from larger to smaller (ATP = citrate = glycerol = sulphates = waters). Sometimes several

[ccp4bb] Postdoctoral Research Position

2008-12-11 Thread Papiz, MZ (Miroslav)
Postdoctoral Research Position (Photosynthesis and Light Signalling) School of Biological Sciences, Biosciences Building, Crown Street,University of Liverpool, Liverpool L69 7ZB Background The aim of the research programme is to investigate the spectroscopic and structural properties of a

Re: [ccp4bb] generating omit maps

2008-12-11 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
Hi Tassos, Am 11.12.2008 um 13:58 schrieb Anastassis Perrakis: ... Having said these, I will shamelessly admit here (as I think I also did in the latest Gordon conference?) that I have never found an omit map to be *really* useful, and it never told me something I could not see in the

[ccp4bb] Does it effort the refinement if no fully recored reflection?

2008-12-11 Thread lidefeng
Dear colleagues, In my idea, the partilly recorded reflections from one unique reflection are treated as individual reflections and their intensities are added at a later stage. If no fully recorded reflection, what should happen? Recently, I am working on a set of data, in which there is

Re: [ccp4bb] About system absence in P4222?

2008-12-11 Thread Edward A. Berry
劉家欣(NTHU) wrote: Dear Prof. Dodson: Thank you for your kindly suggestions. Actually, the sg we predicted was P4222. However, the systematic absence was showed alone 00l in the log file(In below). Is ant conflict on that? Thanks again I appreciated. Sincerely, jaishin

Re: [ccp4bb] About system absence in P4222?

2008-12-11 Thread Borhani, David
Jaishin, Are we understanding your original question? P4(2)22 of course has systematic absences, [0 0 l] = 2n. Dave -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eleanor Dodson Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:28 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK

[ccp4bb] O/T: can a protein which dimerizes in solution crystallize as a monomer?

2008-12-11 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
In parallel with the discussion around this off-CCP4-topic, are they any good examples of the opposite case, where the protein is a monomer in solution (as evident from light scattering, MW determination through centrifugation, EPR, etc.) but crystallizes as a dimer or higher multimer? Bernie

Re: [ccp4bb] generating omit maps

2008-12-11 Thread rajan sreekanth
  Hi What about the SFcheck omit map calculation in 'Map and Mask utilities' module in CCP4? R.Sreekanth On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 Kathleen Frey wrote : Hi Everyone, Can anyone tell me a relatively easy way to generate an omit density map for a ligand? I know that CNS can do this, but I was

Re: [ccp4bb] O/T: can a protein which dimerizes in solution crystallize as a monomer?

2008-12-11 Thread Tommi Kajander
the tandem KH domain of FMRP crystallized as a very convincing dimer (valverde et al 2007), but is a monomer in solution, although it is not the whole protein but just two domains of it.. anyway, i would think these ar much more common than the other way around. Tommi Quoting Poul Nissen

Re: [ccp4bb] O/T: can a protein which dimerizes in solution crystallize as a monomer?

2008-12-11 Thread Ethan A Merritt
On Thursday 11 December 2008, Santarsiero, Bernard D. wrote: In parallel with the discussion around this off-CCP4-topic, are they any good examples of the opposite case, where the protein is a monomer in solution (as evident from light scattering, MW determination through centrifugation, EPR,

Re: [ccp4bb] [SPAM:#] [ccp4bb] O/T: can a protein which dimerizes in solution crystallize as a monomer?

2008-12-11 Thread Phoebe Rice
Mass action is on the crystal's side. Two recent examples of proteins that are dimers by standard solution assays, but form weak/transient/co-factor-dependent tetramers to function, and those tetramers are seen in the crystal. (There is good solution data to back up the relevance of the tetramer

Re: [ccp4bb] generating omit maps

2008-12-11 Thread Roberto Steiner
There used to be a program called OMIT in CCP4. Seems to be still supported. I believe I used it years ago but I vaguely remember problems with some space groups (might be wrong though...) Regards, Roberto On 11 Dec 2008, at 16:20, rajan sreekanth wrote: Hi What about the SFcheck omit

Re: [ccp4bb] [SPAM:#] [ccp4bb] O/T: can a protein which dimerizes in solution crystallize as a monomer?

2008-12-11 Thread Jayashankar
Here we are dealing with two different state of chemistry, solid state and solution state, If one of the minima in solid state resembles the biological state minimum, then there is a possiblw way to clearly define the biology and its significant interaction of that particular 'mer' of a protein,

Re: [ccp4bb] O/T: can a protein which dimerizes in solution crystallize as a monomer?

2008-12-11 Thread Kendall Nettles
There are a number of examples of nuclear receptor heterodimers, where crystallization of the individual partner, such as PPAR or LXR, crystallizes as a homodimer, even though these species do not exist in solution. There are also many examples of dimers showing one molecule per asymmetric unit,

Re: [ccp4bb] About system absence in P4222?

2008-12-11 Thread Ronald E Stenkamp
Hi. Non-crystallographic symmetry (NCS) doesn't apply to the entire crystal, so how can it give rise to systematic absences? I know it can give rise to systematically weak classes of reflections, but they aren't entirely absent. Ron On Thu, 11 Dec 2008, Winter, G (Graeme) wrote: One of

Re: [ccp4bb] O/T: can a protein which dimerizes in solution crystallize as a monomer?

2008-12-11 Thread Miller, Mitchell D.
Hi Bernie, We had a case recently which was a dimer in the crystal (with 2 Ca binding sites in the symmetric dimer interface) but anSEC gave monomer under standard conditions ( 20mM Tris, 200mM NaCl, 0.5mM TCEP at pH7.5, Temperature at 8C ). The crystals had 0.2 M Ca Acetate. We had a

Re: [ccp4bb] About system absence in P4222?

2008-12-11 Thread Borhani, David
Yes, oops, silly me! -Original Message- From: Ronald E Stenkamp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:24 PM To: Borhani, David Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] About system absence in P4222? Hi. Maybe you made a typo in your message? In P4(2)22, the 0 0 l

Re: [ccp4bb] O/T: can a protein which dimerizes in solution crystallize as a monomer?

2008-12-11 Thread Nathaniel Echols
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Santarsiero, Bernard D. b...@uic.eduwrote: In parallel with the discussion around this off-CCP4-topic, are they any good examples of the opposite case, where the protein is a monomer in solution (as evident from light scattering, MW determination through

[ccp4bb] Incufridge for crystallization?

2008-12-11 Thread Roger Rowlett
Does anyone have any experience with an "incufridge" for storing protein crystallization trays? (e.g., http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/ProductDetail.do?N4=Z708623|SIGMAN5=Product%20No.|BRAND_KEYF=SPEC). I thought maybe these would be better than an empty lab cabinet or a cold room that we

Re: [ccp4bb] Incufridge for crystallization?

2008-12-11 Thread Daniel Pomeranz Krummel
Yes, slight overkill. But I would be concerned about vibrations. Also, would use cabinets in a coldroom to shield the trays/drops from turbulence created by fans. A colleague recently told me about excessive nucleation observed when a plate was left in the coldroom on a bench as opposed to being

Re: [ccp4bb] O/T: can a protein which dimerizes in solution crystallize as a monomer?

2008-12-11 Thread Klaas Decanniere
Santarsiero, Bernard D. wrote: In parallel with the discussion around this off-CCP4-topic, are they any good examples of the opposite case, where the protein is a monomer in solution (as evident from light scattering, MW determination through centrifugation, EPR, etc.) but crystallizes as a

Re: [ccp4bb] O/T: can a protein which dimerizes in solution crystallize as a monomer?

2008-12-11 Thread Poul Nissen
...and in absence of TM domains and the 2D restriction of the membrane they will probably not dimerize as free domains in solution now suddenly gained the freedom of 3D diffusion On 11/12/2008, at 19.03, Nathaniel Echols wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Santarsiero, Bernard D.

Re: [ccp4bb] definition of I Sigma I

2008-12-11 Thread Richard Gillilan
There was a detailed and useful discussion of this on this list back around Dec 1, 2003. If you search in the archives for I on sig I you will find it. Best Richard On Dec 10, 2008, at 5:14 PM, ANDY DODDS wrote: Hi, does anyone have a definition of I Sigma I please. Any definitions

Re: [ccp4bb] O/T: can a protein which dimerizes in solution crystallize as a monomer?

2008-12-11 Thread Bostjan Kobe
I wanted to comment on a couple of things that came up during this discussion. 1. We use crystallography because it enables us to get structural information. But we have to be aware that most of the time a crystal will not be an exact reflection of the biological environment, which is usually

Re: [ccp4bb] O/T: can a protein which dimerizes in solution crystallize as a monomer?

2008-12-11 Thread Leonard Thomas
I recently had a case, unpublished right now, where the NMR structure of the monomer was determined and all other biochemical evidence showed a monomer as the active form. The resulting crystal structure turned out to be a domain swapped dimer. The group I did the work for are still

Re: [ccp4bb] O/T: can a protein which dimerizes in solution crystallize as a monomer? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-12-11 Thread DUFF, Anthony
On the question of solution structure vs crystal structure, another comment worth considering is this: The crystalline state of a protein can in some cases (eg a large enzyme with small substrates) be more similar to physiological conditions than a dilute solution. If crowding effects are

Re: [ccp4bb] definition of I Sigma I [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-12-11 Thread DUFF, Anthony
My summary can be found at http://wserv1.dl.ac.uk/list-archive-public/ccp4bb/2003-10/msg00431.html Anthony Anthony DuffTelephone: 02 9717 3493 Mob: 043 189 1076 -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Richard Gillilan Sent: Friday,

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[ccp4bb] COOT Problem

2008-12-11 Thread Ethan Lai
Dear all, I have recently installed Coot version 0.5 on Fedora 9. However, when I tried to open a mtz file, the following error occurs. CCP4 library signal library_file:Bad mode (Error) raised in ccp4_file_readchar Any advices? Thanks!

Re: [ccp4bb] COOT Problem

2008-12-11 Thread Jayashankar
since its a same coot problem, i have one more, i am using mac 10.5 leopord osx the thing is, i dont get any pop upped table even after i do a translate and do a real space refinement . is it a bug or is it a problem in setups of other supportive libraries S.Jayashankar Research Student

Re: [ccp4bb] [SPAM:#] [ccp4bb] O/T: can a protein which dimerizes in solution crystallize as a monomer?

2008-12-11 Thread Jan Dohnalek
I would strongly argue against protein crystals (in most cases) being solid state. Most of the surface of a molecule is actually solvated and protein crystals as they are miss some of the typical properties of solid state. Although in some cases oligomerization occuring upon protein

Re: [ccp4bb] Ref for B-factor Underlying Phenomenon

2008-12-11 Thread James Holton
Woops!, yes Randy, I should have written B = 8*pi^2*u^2, not 8*pi*u^2 in my original response. Incidentally, the A factor of a Lorentzian-distributed atom is 2*pi*w where w is the full-width at half-maximum (FWHM) of the histogram of displacements. It is important to remember also that the