Re: [ccp4bb] occupancy vs. Bfactors

2012-11-20 Thread Jrh
Dear Pavel, Also worth mentioning the obvious that the mathematical functional form of an occupancy and a B factor in its -ve exponential is very different BUT at lower resolutions they behave similarly. Thus higher resolution refinement allows an 'easier' determination of each parameter.

Re: [ccp4bb] occupancy vs. Bfactors

2012-11-20 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Robby and Grant, Here I must second Pavel. As Grant just discovered, modern refinement programs have improved so much, that they will no longer allow to fudge a low occupancy (sharper but less density) with a high Bfactor (broader and more density), especially at higher resolutions. In this

Re: [ccp4bb] occupancy vs. Bfactors

2012-11-20 Thread Herman . Schreuder
What of course also could have happened, is that the Bfactor restraints are too tight, forcing, too low Bfactors for the flexible side chain. Especially after rotatable bonds, Bfactors can increase much more sharply than many of the older parameter files would allow. In this case, reducing these

[ccp4bb] Invitation to the Mini-Symposium in Honor of the Retirement of Prof. Jorge Navaza

2012-11-20 Thread Diego Marcelo Guerin Aguilar
Dear CCP4 colleagues AMoRe's funs. We are organizing a mini-symposium (two days long) in honor of the retirement of Jorge Navaza. If you are interested on attending this meeting, please go to the link indicated below and input the dates of your preference. Please, feel free to distribute this

Re: [ccp4bb] OT: Has anyone experienced problems with Apple laptop battery expansion?

2012-11-20 Thread Charles Ballard
To add to the general list (and future class action). I have just had the battery expansion on one for the second time. Added to the number of them I have bricked by letting the charge run down to low by unplugging them. Interestingly apple agreed to replace the bricked batteries free of

[ccp4bb] CCP4 Study Weekend, early bird deadline

2012-11-20 Thread Charles Ballard
Dear All, A quick reminder to you all about this coming January's CCP4 Study Weekend entitled Molecular Replacements (January 3rd-5th 2010). As the title suggests, the meeting will be all about the latest developments in molecular replacement with many leading crystallographers and software

Re: [ccp4bb] ctruncate/scapepacktomtz : terminate called after throwing an instance of clipper::Message_fatal

2012-11-20 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Hari, this is hard to tell without debugging, but I have two guesses: 1) did you untick 'use anomalous data' but the script only partially picked this up? In that case, the 'colano'-columns would not be present 2) some column name is too long

[ccp4bb] how many cycles to settle B-factor?

2012-11-20 Thread Jim Brannigan
As an adjunct to B-factor vs occupancy thread, i might expect the b-factor to halve if the occupancy is set to 0.5 (but I'm only a molecular biologist), if so how many cycles of refmac would it take for the value to settle? My limited experience is that it dosn't exactly halve but i do tend

Re: [ccp4bb] how many cycles to settle B-factor?

2012-11-20 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Jim, The speed at which the B-factor converges depends on many factors. The B-factor restraint weight that Herman and I mentioned (the one you should optimise before changing occupancies!) is an important factor. Also the position of your atomic coordinates WRT where they should end up is

Re: [ccp4bb] CONECT Records

2012-11-20 Thread Jenny Harmer
Didn't have the latest version of Coot but can now make the LINKs. Many thanks for your help.

Re: [ccp4bb] occupancy vs. Bfactors

2012-11-20 Thread Bernhard Rupp
As already mentioned by jrh, I again want to impress that B-factor and occupancy are in principle two entirely different parameters. They may appear as achieving the same thing upon refinement at the resolution we deal with in most macromolecular structures. The fact is that reduced

[ccp4bb] areaimol bugs

2012-11-20 Thread Ben Eisenbraun
Hi CCP4bb, I updated our CCP4 6.3.0 for x86_64 linux to the September 21 CCP4 update when it came out. The release notes said it had a patched areaimol in it, and it did update the binary, but we are still seeing segfaults and NaN values, etc. The all-in-one update also contains an areaimol

Re: [ccp4bb] OT: Has anyone experienced problems with Apple laptop battery expansion?

2012-11-20 Thread George M. Sheldrick
I have never understood why Macs are so popular, although in this part of the world they are appreciably more expensive. My vintage 2005 Dell laptop does not have the sex appeal of a MacBook, but it has survived a fire (not its fault) as well as being under water (to put out the fire) and then

Re: [ccp4bb] occupancy vs. Bfactors

2012-11-20 Thread Ian Tickle
PS: Partial occupancy is not the same as disorder. You can have well-ordered different occupancies that manifest themselves then in superstructure patterns. Common in small molecule/materials. Hello Bernhard Agree with everything you said up till this point, but I think the owners of the

Re: [ccp4bb] dihedral backbone generator

2012-11-20 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Mon, 2012-11-12 at 13:47 -0500, Ed Pozharski wrote: Does anyone know of a tool that would generate a protein molecule backbone from a set of phi/psi angles? For the record. Thanks to all who responded. Here is what I found out: 1. MOLEMAN works best. The most cumbersome part is to

Re: [ccp4bb] OT: Has anyone experienced problems with Apple laptop battery expansion?

2012-11-20 Thread William Scott
Presumably then it was running Linux? On Nov 20, 2012, at 7:39 AM, George M. Sheldrick gshe...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de wrote: I have never understood why Macs are so popular, although in this part of the world they are appreciably more expensive. My vintage 2005 Dell laptop does not have the

Re: [ccp4bb] occupancy vs. Bfactors

2012-11-20 Thread Jrh
Nomenclature hazard warning:- Ian, Thankyou for drawing attention to the nomenclature school:- Partial occupancy disorder Which I prefer to refer to as Partial occupancy order. Outside our MX field static disorder refers to what we call split occupancy order. I like the latter and dislike the

[ccp4bb] Collecting native data at an absorption edge

2012-11-20 Thread Alan Cheung
Dear all - we have a synchrotron trip coming up and have crystals that are likely to contain intrinsically bound zinc atoms. The crystals diffract to 4A-ish so far. We're hoping to collect both native datasets at higher dose, and phasing datasets at lower dose (on separate crystals). Can we

Re: [ccp4bb] occupancy vs. Bfactors

2012-11-20 Thread Ian Tickle
John Having begun my crystallographic life with small molecules (organic semiconductors) and subsequently moved to PX, and having worked on SOD crystals I stand in both camps (i.e. both meanings: site-occupancy disorder and superoxide dismutase!). It seems to me that static disorder is the

Re: [ccp4bb] Collecting native data at an absorption edge

2012-11-20 Thread Bosch, Juergen
You'll see the zinc also at the Semet peak edge already check out Ethan's edge plot web server. If you used his-tag purification methods it would be wiser to collect passed the edge of either Ni or Co so you can distinguish them from Zn sites. Jürgen .. Jürgen Bosch Johns

Re: [ccp4bb] Collecting native data at an absorption edge

2012-11-20 Thread Pete Meyer
native datasets? And would a native dataset for refinement be compromised by friedel pair differences collected at an edge? If you've got anomalous data available, you may get better results by using your friedel pair differences in refinement - especially if your diffraction stays in the ~

Re: [ccp4bb] OT: Has anyone experienced problems with Apple laptop battery expansion?

2012-11-20 Thread George M. Sheldrick
It is dual bootable Linux/Windows George On 11/20/2012 05:56 PM, William Scott wrote: Presumably then it was running Linux? On Nov 20, 2012, at 7:39 AM, George M. Sheldrick gshe...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de wrote: I have never understood why Macs are so popular, although in this part of the

Re: [ccp4bb] OT: Has anyone experienced problems with Apple laptop battery expansion?

2012-11-20 Thread Bosch, Juergen
It probably had a functional Firewall under Linux that's why it survived :-) Jürgen P.S. note to myself, don't ever give George my laptop, as it might be mistreated - just for test purposes :-) On Nov 20, 2012, at 12:57 PM, George M. Sheldrick wrote: It is dual bootable Linux/Windows George

Re: [ccp4bb] occupancy vs. Bfactors

2012-11-20 Thread James Holton
Something you want to be very careful with here that appears to have not been mentioned yet is phase bias. If you have built in a wrong side chain or other entity that is not actually there, but still force it to have occupancy=1 and reasonable B factors (B factor restraints might do that)

Re: [ccp4bb] occupancy vs. Bfactors

2012-11-20 Thread Jrh
Ian, yes absolutely but your very description of where the unit cells are not identical is NOT the situation where we see fractional occupancy moieties. In such cases a large fraction of the unit cells ARE ordered. QED. John Prof John R Helliwell DSc FInstP CPhys FRSC CChem F Soc Biol. Chair