Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion

2011-09-19 Thread Peter Keller
On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 06:37 -0700, William G. Scott wrote: If you update to 10.7, keep a clone of 10.6 just in case it drives you nuts. There are all sorts of perverse changes, and (unlike the reversal in scrolling direction) not a lot of over-ride options. I guess this is one of them:

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion

2011-09-19 Thread Andreas Förster
I've bitched enough about all things Mac, but this one's just too good to pass on (from the article that Peter linked to): The fundamental issue here is Lion's assumption that you don't know what you're doing, and it's going to ensure you're protected from cock-ups that, in your ignorance,

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion

2011-09-19 Thread Richard Gillilan
Listening to Jobs speak recently, I got the distinct impression that the end of the era of general desktop computers PC's may be on the horizon. Of course that's iPad sales rhetoric, but it may be that the public moves away from general computers and that surely will have implications for

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion

2011-09-19 Thread Adrian Goldman
Of course this has to be the case. I think most of us walk around with with mobile phones that have memory and processing power more powerful than all of the computers available before 1990. Some of the things that seem difficult in Lion and are nanny-state-ish such as automatic file

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion

2011-09-19 Thread Peter Keller
On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 14:39 +0300, Adrian Goldman wrote: Of course this has to be the case. I think most of us walk around with with mobile phones that have memory and processing power more powerful than all of the computers available before 1990. Some of the things that seem difficult in

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion

2011-09-16 Thread Phil Evans
I use my MBP with external screen, keyboard mouse all the time. The new ones are fast, mine should easily cope with Lion My question about Lion was because 1. on the one hand as far as I can see Bill Scott only builds latest stand-alone Coots (0.7...) for Lion, and these don't work on 10.6

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion

2011-09-16 Thread William G. Scott
Dear Phil (and everyone): 1. I've now got automated build systems for coot for 10.7.1 and 10.6.8. I just haven't had a chance to get the 10.6.8 one on line. I'll try to do this today. (Also, the last few haven't build due to a change in the code with which the compiler can't cope, but

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystypos [WAS: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion]

2011-09-11 Thread Vellieux Frederic
Well in fact, it all depends on the type of detector these small angels end up on and on the speed of this godly radiation. Only once you have considered both these elements can you say poor little things. My 2p worth. Fred. Ed Pozharski wrote: The best X-ray related typo I ever seen was

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion

2011-09-11 Thread Bosch, Juergen
Regarding MBP versus MBA, one of my graduate students just got a new MBA and her machine is much faster than my MBP 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with 4 GB RAM. Both machines are running Lion. The new MBA is hot, only disadvantage you can't lock it down, there's no option for it. Jürgen On Sep

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion

2011-09-11 Thread Sean Seaver
Dear Herbert, I've come across quite a few people that are using mac books as their main development computer. This site ( http://usesthis.com/ ) can be an good way to learn about various setups. A popular trend seems to be using a mac book along with the apple thunderbolt display for more

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion

2011-09-10 Thread Jacques-Philippe Colletier
Hi, Overall, the transition from 10.6 is seemingless, crystallographically-wise. Of course you need to have the new XCode 4.1 installed, and you should also download new, 10.7-dedicated 64bits gcc/gfortran/g77 bundles from http://hpc.sourceforge.net/ And then, CNS, Phenix, CCP4, etc... will

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion

2011-09-10 Thread harry powell
Hi My two ha'porth. If you are thinking of upgrading your sole Mac software development box to Lion I'd say don't do it unless you like a lot of pain. Anything built on Snow Leopard should run okay on Lion (my Tiger builds seem okay on 10.4, 10.5, 10.6...), so unless you really have an

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion

2011-09-10 Thread Jürgen Bosch
One really nice feature though comes with what Bill's wife hates. No worries about saving an edited file in many programs. The background versioning is great no more needs of having my_manuscript_###1.doc :-) one file to handle them all. And you can go back to older versions of course. The only

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystypos [WAS: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion]

2011-09-10 Thread Ed Pozharski
The best X-ray related typo I ever seen was the Small angel scattering - poor little things! On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 18:23 -0400, Patrick Loll wrote: Still doesn't beat my all-time favorite, an early Microsoft spell-checker that changed diffract to defrocked. I forgot to mention how

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion

2011-09-10 Thread Herbert J. Bernstein
Dear Colleagues, Lion is an reality all developers have to live with. While I agree that it would be a bad idea to update one's primary development environment to Lion, it does seem a good idea to have at least one system with sufficient memory, disk and good enough graphics and the new UI

[ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion

2011-09-09 Thread Phil Evans
Is there any opinion or experience about whether Lion is ready for crystallographic use? Should I upgrade? Phil

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion

2011-09-09 Thread Jason Vertrees
Phil, On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Phil Evans p...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk wrote: Is there any opinion or experience about whether Lion is ready for crystallographic use? Should I upgrade? MacPyMOL works fine on Lion. Cheers, -- Jason -- Jason Vertrees, PhD PyMOL Product Manager Schrodinger,

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion

2011-09-09 Thread William Scott
Hi Phil: I've found few, if any advantages. I fear for the future. I've had problems getting coot to run stereo due to the X11 implementation in 10.7. Apart from that, no major problems with crystallographic software. Lion greedily uses memory, and any computer I have with less than 4 gig of

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion

2011-09-09 Thread Jacob Keller
I have noticed, in new versions of OSes, that there generally is rampant violation of the concept of if it ain't broken, don't fix. Shouldn't there be more moments of delight, when you see they have solved a previous poorly-engineered feature with an elegant solution? But a lot of the time, you

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion

2011-09-09 Thread William Scott
On Sep 9, 2011, at 11:09 AM, William Scott wrote: (nothing us usual in of itself) I forgot to mention how delightful the spelling auto-correction feature can be. (It should have read nothing unusual in and of itself). That, at least, can be turned off.

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion

2011-09-09 Thread Patrick Loll
Still doesn't beat my all-time favorite, an early Microsoft spell-checker that changed diffract to defrocked. I forgot to mention how delightful the spelling auto-correction feature can be. (It should have read nothing unusual in and of itself). That, at least, can be turned off.

Re: [ccp4bb] Mac OSX 10.7 Lion

2011-09-09 Thread Frances C. Bernstein
Shoshana Wodak once told me that Word kept suggesting Shoeshine Kodak as the correct spelling of her name. I just tried my copy of Word and it seems to have improved. Frances = Bernstein + Sons * *