Re: [ccp4bb] Meaning of a pdb entry

2021-06-02 Thread Marcin Wojdyr
Dear Gergely, > > Thank you for these examples! It is reassuring to see that multiple > crystallographic models do not break validation for example. I assume only > the validation of the first model and first reflection file is shown. I can > imagine that it is still a substantial change and

Re: [ccp4bb] Meaning of a pdb entry

2021-06-02 Thread Gergely Katona
Dear Ethan, This is an interesting discussion. I agree the word uncertainty covers very broad concepts, but I try to narrow down what I mean. My starting point is that a reflection file contains point estimates of diffraction intensities or structure factor amplitudes. Refinement and model

Re: [ccp4bb] Meaning of a pdb entry

2021-06-02 Thread Gergely Katona
To: Gergely Katona Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Meaning of a pdb entry Dear Gergely, For authoritative advice you'd need to ask the PDB. Below is my take. > I am not sure if it is possible to use MODEL-ENDMDL loops in pdb or mmcif > format for storing multiple crystallographic

Re: [ccp4bb] Meaning of a pdb entry

2021-06-01 Thread Marcin Wojdyr
Dear Gergely, For authoritative advice you'd need to ask the PDB. Below is my take. > I am not sure if it is possible to use MODEL-ENDMDL loops in pdb or mmcif > format for storing multiple crystallographic models. It's possible, there are a few examples such as 2VTU. They represent "ensemble

Re: [ccp4bb] Meaning of a pdb entry

2021-06-01 Thread Ethan A Merritt
On Monday, 31 May 2021 10:53:46 PDT Gergely Katona wrote: > Dear Ethan, > > Thank you for your comments! I started a new thread, it was unfortunate that > I brought this up in a discussion about B-factors. I really wanted to discuss > something that is model agnostic and how to represent

Re: [ccp4bb] Meaning of a pdb entry

2021-05-31 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear Gergely, you can concatenate (mm)CIF files, without violating the grammar. Thus, if you want to deposit multiple models at once, just run 'cat 1.mmcif 2.mmcif 3.mmcif > allmy.mmcif' for deposition. This works for CIF, and is accepted e.g. by the IUCR journals. Best, Tim On Mon, 31 May

[ccp4bb] Meaning of a pdb entry

2021-05-31 Thread Gergely Katona
Dear Ethan, Thank you for your comments! I started a new thread, it was unfortunate that I brought this up in a discussion about B-factors. I really wanted to discuss something that is model agnostic and how to represent uncertainty by sampling. I consider an ensemble model with multiple